WTF Wisconsin? (Formerly Walker convo thread)
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He hasn't done that.
Yet.
Seriously though: it's not what he's done necessarily; it's how he's done it. This is bulldozer politics, not "the art of the deal".
Every day he has these people banging drums and congregating at the Capitol, and keeping them from going inside, it's more political capital that he's burning like the oil pump on an old Chevy.
Yet.
Seriously though: it's not what he's done necessarily; it's how he's done it. This is bulldozer politics, not "the art of the deal".
Every day he has these people banging drums and congregating at the Capitol, and keeping them from going inside, it's more political capital that he's burning like the oil pump on an old Chevy.
And they found a way to pass it anyway: Wisconsin union curbs bill passed
This whole thing has been making me smolder, and it's rare for me to get involved, and worst yet ANGRY about politics. The fact I live in Texas means the whole thing does not even really effect me, and yet it still makes me angry.
Not every bill has to have 100% public support, but when nearly the entire state does not want you to pass the bill and has been in mass protests, you figure out another plan rather then stuff it down their throats any way you can. I don't think I have ever seen such a gross disrespect for the very people they should be working for.
The fact the bill seems to have ulterior motives in support of the Republicans and their benefactors does not help either.
Not every bill has to have 100% public support, but when nearly the entire state does not want you to pass the bill and has been in mass protests, you figure out another plan rather then stuff it down their throats any way you can. I don't think I have ever seen such a gross disrespect for the very people they should be working for.
The fact the bill seems to have ulterior motives in support of the Republicans and their benefactors does not help either.
Major props for him wanting to work for the people rather then just his party. Too bad none of his fellows did the same.
I have seen 4 references to Hitler in regards to Gov. Walker so far on facebook today.
New rule: Go be a dumbass on someone elses facebook page.
On to more pertinent matters: These guys have really sealed their fate here with this. Does anyone actually think they have a political career in Wisc. after this? I'm not against unions having to compromise with their sworn enemies here but if those sworn enemies aren't willing to talk or deal... well... to me it's just not how things are done.
New rule: Go be a dumbass on someone elses facebook page.
On to more pertinent matters: These guys have really sealed their fate here with this. Does anyone actually think they have a political career in Wisc. after this? I'm not against unions having to compromise with their sworn enemies here but if those sworn enemies aren't willing to talk or deal... well... to me it's just not how things are done.
Apparently, Mr. Walker has an interesting history of dirty politics and disastrous policies.
A word of warning, the article goes off the deep end in lefty land after the first couple paragraphs. Don't venture further unless you're into the whole "Those evil Republicans" crap.
A word of warning, the article goes off the deep end in lefty land after the first couple paragraphs. Don't venture further unless you're into the whole "Those evil Republicans" crap.
You say that as if it's not true... (hint: the real deal is that the other side is about the same, it's politics).
Good on them for sticking to their principles. The only way you can really fight big business is by depriving them of it.
"He’s a Koch sucking fool." is the best line out of the article.
Representative Barca moves to have Fitzgerald removed as speaker for violating the states open meetings law.
Full story can be found here.
Full story can be found here.
I'm not sure what to say about this - GOP senators make hasty getaway on Metro bus
and Budget bill foes say stealthy vote broke open meetings law; challenges coming
and Budget bill foes say stealthy vote broke open meetings law; challenges coming
And now more:
Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, Acting Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk, and Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz have each filed a complaint, Barca's specifically states "that Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald and his brother, Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, and others "knowingly attended the meeting in violation of the Open Meetings law" and are subject to penalties identified in state statute."
Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, Acting Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk, and Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz have each filed a complaint, Barca's specifically states "that Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald and his brother, Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, and others "knowingly attended the meeting in violation of the Open Meetings law" and are subject to penalties identified in state statute."
Necronic
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Ah the joy that is mob mentality
Wisconsin protesters corner Rep Sen Glenn Grothman
http://www.newser.com/story/113210/wis-crowd-turns-ugly-on-locked-out-senator.html
Wisconsin protesters corner Rep Sen Glenn Grothman
http://www.newser.com/story/113210/wis-crowd-turns-ugly-on-locked-out-senator.html
They cornered you after chasing you around the building. If the Democratic guy hadn't stepped in, it's entirely possible you'd have been assaulted or worse. Show some god damn respect to the guy who risked his life to save your ungrateful ass.
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I am still trying to wrap my head around the "bypass law" they just pass. There is a VERY vocal group against it. There is 3 weeks of protest about it. There are many blogs that many are willing to PAY the amount the governor propose EXCEPT the removal of collective bargaining. Why in the heck did Walker went with it? Does he not want to run for office anymore?
In all likelihood, the Koch Brothers have probably promised him a high paying position in one of their businesses once he leaves office/gets thrown out. He doesn't need to worry about being vilified if his future has been assured.
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Chibibar
Well what about the 18 senators voted on it? they are practically ruin or at least remembered for a long while. People tend to forget things after a time EXCEPT when you hit them in the pocket book.
Every single one of them dreams of becoming US Representatives. Once you get to that point, if you have enough local district support AND the direct support of the National GOP, it practically takes dynamite to get you out. All of them are banking on not being one of the ones forced out.
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pretty risky gamble since now there are a lot of pissed off constituents.
I mean 3 weeks of protest should have been an indication.
It's true, but not all those constituents get to vote on all the state senators.
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Chibibar
whoa! can this be legal? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20041840-503544.html they pass in the house also BUT without any Democrat in it.
Read the posts above you Chibi. There are a range of reasons it might not be legal, but the main ones are that they didn't give notice of the vote before they did it and they refused to allow the Dems into the hall to cast their votes when they showed up ten minutes before the voting was to begin.
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I did read it, but the article (previous one) said that their legal department gave a "thumbs up" so........ that is questionable.
If it wasn't legal then the repubs lawyers that were quoted on NPR this morning are going to get shitcanned. They seemed very confident that everything was good to go.
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Either way... good luck to ya'all over there. I think it's only going to get uglier.
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Well, and I get your point but it still seems like if they knew it would get overturned then what was the point? If it's a grey area where they think they can win thats one thing but this sounds more like an either or yaknow?
Either way... good luck to ya'all over there. I think it's only going to get uglier.
So what are the Republican state Senators doing now that they stripped the rights of public sector unions to bargain? They went to DC to hold a fundraiser.
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