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[Brazelton] Steve Jobs Has Died
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North_Ranger
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Why did it have to be cancer...?
He's making iWings for angels now...
He's making iWings for angels now...
He definitely ranks as one of the people I never knew that changed my life.
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Chibibar
It is interesting to see the haters out there on the web. Some say that Steve Jobs is not an innovator or didn't design even 5% of the products.
Does it matter? He is the CEO (I use "is" cause I believe his essence still in the company) of Apple and guide the company to make wonderful products (I bet even the haters use) He may not personally design it himself, but he has a team of engineers to create a finish product. He is the face of Apple and usher Apple products to the world.
This is what CEO do. They guide the company. Without Steve Jobs, we may not have our tablet, portable music devices like iShuffle/iPods, or even have iTunes (I believe that really usher the whole 99 cent music) We probably eventually WILL get these products without Steve Jobs, but it would have been later.
Does it matter? He is the CEO (I use "is" cause I believe his essence still in the company) of Apple and guide the company to make wonderful products (I bet even the haters use) He may not personally design it himself, but he has a team of engineers to create a finish product. He is the face of Apple and usher Apple products to the world.
This is what CEO do. They guide the company. Without Steve Jobs, we may not have our tablet, portable music devices like iShuffle/iPods, or even have iTunes (I believe that really usher the whole 99 cent music) We probably eventually WILL get these products without Steve Jobs, but it would have been later.
You know, I really think that the majority if these people are trolling. They just want to stir up shit by saying asshole stuff because they like to stir shit, and thats the only reason. Web anonymity, etc. That isn't discounting the "fanboy" groups who perch on both sides of issues/companies/etc and just want to attack anything that isn't their "thing", but I just don't think the majority care that much, I think they just want to be assholes because they can.
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amazing find!
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Chibibar
That is epic!!!
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Chibibar
Oh god. Two cults collide. (I call WBC a cult cause to me they are one) Rabid fanboi vs WBC round 1.
North_Ranger
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Seconded, Ame.
It seems that the news of his passing are taken pretty hard. One of my friends with whom I talk and game almost daily was too saddened by the news to talk today...
It seems that the news of his passing are taken pretty hard. One of my friends with whom I talk and game almost daily was too saddened by the news to talk today...
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Chibibar
Well, whether people don't want to admit it or not, Steve Jobs guided a company to create really innovative products in the last couple of years. They are sold in the millions and become a common household item. Sure there are haters, but millions upon millions of iPhones, iPods, iShuffles, and iPads sold around the world is insane. Yes there are alternative, but a lot of people have been touched by Steve Jobs' innovation one form or another.
It is a tough role to fill, but I feel that Steve Jobs being Steve Jobs carefully chosen his successor like everything else he did.
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Totally awesome.
GasBandit
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I think it has to do how that person effect them. Some people have their heros, idol, or whatever you may call it, guiding their personal lives. Some people are devastated by fictional character dying.
GasBandit
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Generally, when North Ranger talks of "friends with whom I game," I think he usually means P&P. But maybe not here, who knows. And I could kinda see it being the case that if somebody's a little bummed out they might not feel like LARPing it up at the D&D session.
But yeah, even with all that, clearly NR's friend is way overreacting.. I mean, not able to bring themselves to even TALK?
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Chibibar
Yea. I am just saying that not everyone is strong. Humans are emotional lots. Sometimes logic doesn't dictate their actions. If that was the case, we won't have many stupid asses around the world
Each person deal with death differently which can include the type of death. (Personal level, professional level, or superficial level)
this may sound crude (but the example fits)
What if Jesus was alive today and died? To many, they will probably be heart broken and can't operate. To me? he is just a guy who pass away, while I am sad by the death, I will continue to operate normally with my daily live.
So some fanatic cult, Steve Jobs is their idol. His death may crush their dreams, but to us, we are sad by his passing and his leadership with Apple, but not going to break down.
I'm sure there is someone on the superficial level that may effect us (superficial in my definition would be people don't relate to us directly) profoundly.
Is it too soon for a "dey took er jobs!" joke?
GasBandit
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Not if you like memebase, they've been doing that since yesterday.
Also, got this one on my google reader recommended items:
Steve Jobs Succumbs to Alternative Medicine
from Skepticblog by Brian Dunning
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I’m sad that today I’m adding a slide to one of my live presentations, adding Steve Jobs to the list of famous people who died treating terminal diseases with woo rather than with medicine.
Seven or eight years ago, the news broke that Steve Jobs had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, but considering it a private matter, he delayed in informing Apple’s board, and Apple’s board delayed in informing the shareholders. So what. The only delay that really mattered was that Steve, it turned out, had been treating his pancreatic cancer with a special diet and other alternative therapies, prescribed by his naturopath.
Most pancreatic cancers are aggressive and always terminal, but Steve was lucky (if you can call it that) and had a rare form called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, which is actually quite treatable with excellent survival rates — if caught soon enough. The median survival is about a decade, but it depends on how soon it’s removed surgically. Steve caught his very early, and should have expected to survive much longer than a decade. Unfortunately Steve relied on a naturopathic diet instead of early surgery. There is no evidence that diet has any effect on islet cell carcinoma. As he dieted for nine months, the tumor progressed, and took him from the high end to the low end of the survival rate.
Eventually it became clear to all involved that his alternative therapy wasn’t working, and from then on, by all accounts, Steve aggressively threw money at the best that medical science could offer. But it was too late. He had a Whipple procedure. He had a liver transplant. And then he died, all too young.
My whole family loves Apple devices. Steve made our lives better, and I think I can say that pragmatically and without any Apple heroin in my veins. Note only that, he created my profession.
His lifelong friend Bill Gates tweeted:
For those of us lucky enough to get to work with Steve, it’s been an insanely great honor. I will miss Steve immensely. b-gat.es/qHXDsU
I saw another tweet today from @DamonLindelof that I thought was beautifully worded:
Steve Jobs. On behalf of every dreamer sitting in his or her garage who is crazy enough to try to change the world, you will be missed.
We can’t say for sure that Steve would still be alive and making lives better were it not for the alternative therapy, but the statistics suggest it very strongly. If you insist on unproven therapies, fine; but also try the proven ones. Nobody likes to either write or read a post such as this one.
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Chibibar
Well to be fair, some alternative medicine work and some didn't.
With the money he had, he should have seek a 2nd opinion (I personally believe in Chinese medicine but I would seek 2nd opinion also much to my parents' dismay)
With the money he had, he should have seek a 2nd opinion (I personally believe in Chinese medicine but I would seek 2nd opinion also much to my parents' dismay)
I want to like the message but not the sad story of alternative medicine, GB. I did not know about that any of that. :-\
If Steve Jobs is your hero/idol, you need to reevaluate your life.
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Chibibar
He is not my hero/idol
I am not the one breaking down here.I'm just saying that regardless of X person. We each treat a death differently depending on that person and how it effect you.
(note: I'm actually a pretty "cold" person by my standard. I am sadden to lose a long time friend of the family who I consider my aunt. I preside over her funeral, but I hardly think of her anymore. I hardly think of anyone who died in my life which include my father from leukemia (my biological father) I am sad on the moment, but then I move on and continue to live life to the fullest. I do miss them once in a while, but never to a point where I can't operate or break down in tears)
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Someone doesn't have to be a hero to impress you with what they did with their lives enough to think the world is a little worse without them. Jobs may have been had some issues in "real life", but his vision was in recognizing what it was out of the crop of tech products that needed to be developed and pushed. He also gave us products that weren't crap. That's the part mac-haters never seem to understand. You may outspec my macbook pro, but it's built like a tank and looks good, and it just works. Same with the OS. I have converted so many mac haters at talks because I plug a projector in, and lo and behold, it projects. That's less impressive lately, but it worked in 2002, too. That actually is the heart of his effect on the world. Even though you may not like Apple products (and you could say they're not the best for whatever reason), I'll bet the brand you use was heavily influenced. Even if apple didn't invent the mouse or the windowed UI, it made them popular. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player, but it made it a phenomenon. Apple didn't invent the smartphone, but it made them sell because Jobs insisted on the real life fit. Not because people fawn over Jobs or Apple. I fawn over my Apple because it's good, not the other way around, and I detest being accused of the opposite.
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Chibibar
I agree. From an IT perspective, I like it when things work. I do love my iPhone and my iPad cause it is easier to use (and lighter) I DO have a nice laptop (work provided) and a PC for my gaming needs. I was raised by PC with little mac influence, but I am not brand advocate.
If you ask me for a product for a specific job, I may tell you a product you may not usually use or the brand you may not use. It different from situation to situation.
I'm actually more of a primitivist, and feel the world could do without massive consumer crap.
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