[Webcomic] PVP Discussion

Like I said the other day, I could see this turning out to be a good PVP arc, but it turn out it will ALSO be an opportunity for Scott to use every eye-related pun for the strip title that he can possibly think of.
 

Dave

Staff member
I like today's a lot. And as much as I hate Brent not wearing the shades, I think Scott's handling it correctly by having everyone else be freaked out by it. So I'm changing my view on this arc. I now like it.
 

figmentPez

Staff member
I think it works because the characters are having a chance to react naturally as who they are. It's a lesson I've heard a number of cartoonists mention, most notably Bill Amend, that when you've got established characters sometimes you just throw a situation at your established strip, and the reactions write the gags for you.
 
I hve to admit to hving some fun with this week's strips. Especially the 20 year old... mole and the one about raisins. Well done comedy timing.
 
I'm telling you Krisken, overlooking the strip over the years the way I did, it looks like he's refound whatever it was that he lost at one point. Dunno what changed but he's been on que since the Max/Sonya reunion strip.
 
Should we bring up the blog post about newspapers? :rolleyes:
I don't know, why he continues to harp on the issue, it would seem that old guard newspaper cartoonists keep proving it need to be harped on. How anyone can refer to webcomics as the realm of part timers when Penny Arcade is a multimedia mini-empire is beyond me.
 
I mean the guy said that there would be a small few people that can be successful while most everyone is a part timer. Are there even 10 webcomics people that earn a good living from it?
 
I mean the guy said that there would be a small few people that can be successful while most everyone is a part timer. Are there even 10 webcomics people that earn a good living from it?
eh, I mean define good living.

I could think of 10-20 where they do the web comic full time. Now I don't know if they're eating peanut butter sandwiches every night but they make a living off of it.
 
The dude's an editorial cartoonist; one of the requirements of his job is knowing fuck-all about shit, and another is communicating poorly. Kurtz ought to just ignore it.
 
eh, I mean define good living.

I could think of 10-20 where they do the web comic full time. Now I don't know if they're eating peanut butter sandwiches every night but they make a living off of it.
I think this is the sticking point. I can think of at least 5-10 who make a nice living off of doing their comics, but I don't know how many are out there pulling in just enough to not be out on the streets. For every Penny Arcade, Girl Genius, and Doctor McNinja, there are literally a dozen Real Lifes, Wapsi Squares, and Menage a 3s... and the defining quality usually isn't quality. There are A LOT of excellent webcomics out there.

The biggest quantifier of success seems to be the ability to take your comic and turn it into a steady stream of convention appearances, comic collections, and a line of merchandise... but none of that is actually related to making the actual comics, and it's something most newspaper cartoonists never had to worry about because they literally had teams of guys to handle that sort of thing.
 
I think this is the sticking point. I can think of at least 5-10 who make a nice living off of doing their comics, but I don't know how many are out there pulling in just enough to not be out on the streets.
From what I understand, that isn't that different from the newspaper model, at least the early stages of it. However, if you look at the actual quote from the guy (emphasis mine):

That means someone has to crack the code concerning online profits. Till that time, it will be a forum for the dedicated and passionate cartoonist who also works at Starbucks.
He seems to not realize that the code was cracked over a decade ago. It is difficult, it does require years of audience building and more work on your part, but that does not make it a mystery. It is a disservice to the people who do make a living at it (many of whom did have to "crack the code") to imply that no one does.
 

Dave

Staff member
I fail to see why Kurtz cares so damned much. It affects him not at all. But he thinks someone is wrong on the internet, so...
 
I think this is the sticking point. I can think of at least 5-10 who make a nice living off of doing their comics, but I don't know how many are out there pulling in just enough to not be out on the streets. For every Penny Arcade, Girl Genius, and Doctor McNinja, there are literally a dozen Real Lifes, Wapsi Squares, and Menage a 3s... and the defining quality usually isn't quality. There are A LOT of excellent webcomics out there.

The biggest quantifier of success seems to be the ability to take your comic and turn it into a steady stream of convention appearances, comic collections, and a line of merchandise... but none of that is actually related to making the actual comics, and it's something most newspaper cartoonists never had to worry about because they literally had teams of guys to handle that sort of thing.
If Real Life wasn't horribad, I wouldn't be eager to see them out on the street.
 
Real Life used to be really good in it's inception, but I have NO idea what the hell happened to it after year 2-3.
The art hasn't changed much since inception (Adding colour, check. Using same illustrator character files, oops) and the writing is less than stellar. And it's only got more insipid. But yes, some highlights way back when.
 
I meant storylines were much funnier. More grounded, with his Real Life really being the center of it. It's just lost all sense of self over the years.
 
I meant storylines were much funnier. More grounded, with his Real Life really being the center of it. It's just lost all sense of self over the years.
So it's basically like a normal Sit-Com's lifespan? Starts out good and interesting, but the characters became shallow copies of themselves over the years, refusing to change, in order to keep the audience.
 
So it's basically like a normal Sit-Com's lifespan? Starts out good and interesting, but the characters became shallow copies of themselves over the years, refusing to change, in order to keep the audience.
AshburnerX, you verily speaketh the truth without knowing.

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Wow there's zero effort in that strip. Almost zero facial movement, ZERO body movement and 5000 lines of text. Reminds me of old CAD.
 
With Mr. Dean, you have to realize a.) that's his drawing style, and b.) he doesn't take this whole thing seriously. Oh, and c.) he has a couple of mouths to feed, so d.) he has a real job that does interfere with his comic writing.

Oh, and e.) his comic has always been slightly goofy.
 
On the subject of the current PvP arc, anybody have any idea why Skull is encouraging Scratch to be evil? I mean, has something happened recently that turned Skull from loveable kindhearted creature to douchebag?
 
e's not necessarily encouraging evil behaviour, specifically. He just knows that villainy usually cheers up Scratch, and that Scratch needs cheering up.
 
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That.

I'm hoping that this arc doesn't last more than a week, Kringus stuff was always some of the weakest strips in the series.
 
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