[Gaming] Elder Scrolls 5 - Dawnguard is HERE!

Only did the Companion and Theives guild ones thus far.

Going to do the Magus one next... is there one for the Bard and lastlyI'll do my favorite Dark Brotherhood.
 
The Companions story was decent as well, though I'm kind of annoyed you couldn't use the same process on yourself. Hell, they even give you enough heads to do it to everyone afflicted...
I really liked the Companions Quests, but they really screwed up when you finish them and...

Skjor just suddenly bugs back to life. His death was one of the big moments of the quests, since it pushed you and Aela to go on a rampage to kill the Silver Hand which ultimately leads to them retaliating and killing Kodlak, and yet after you "save" Kodlak's spirit and open up the "repeatable" quests, Skjor just suddenly appears inside the Lodge like nothing ever happened. I think it is because he gives on of those "repeatable" quests, but still, you think they would realize bringing him back just so he can give me a repeatable would break the immersion a bit.

My new character is going to focus heavily on the Thieves Guild and Magic College.
 
He didn't come back to life in my game. His CORPSE bugged back into his room though.
Added at: 15:56
So I'm walking through Shego's house... and I felt the need to record the adventure.
 

GasBandit

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He didn't come back to life in my game. His CORPSE bugged back into his room though.
Added at: 15:56
So I'm walking through Shego's house... and I felt the need to record the adventure.
I'm severely irritated that Skyrim won't let me get a corpse, or even a disembodied head, more than six inches off the ground. Probably because I'd do something like this. I often want to put a chopped-off head in a humorous place, like on a mantle or a desk or something. This guy musta been teh hax.

Also, I forget if we've mentioned this before, but if you let Lydia die and then go "meh," chances are her corpse will ruin your wedding day.

 
He didn't come back to life in my game. His CORPSE bugged back into his room though.
Added at: 15:56
So I'm walking through Shego's house... and I felt the need to record the adventure.
I'm touched you recorded your stay after I invited you for a dinner get together Ash, but did you have to do that high pitched scream in EVERY room I showed you?
 
Question. I've done the first dark brotherhood quest and got the letter saying they were watching. What do I do and where do I go from there for the next quest?
 

GasBandit

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I got the "throw voice" shout, and took it as the impetus to start working on my stealth. It's tough to stealth in a full suit of dwarven, but wolf-something cave was perfect. Lots of overhangs on the path that looked down at enemies. I could stealth, throw my voice ("HEY SKEEVER BUTT!") and even draugr go running to stand right where I can shoot them in the head.

Also, Dwarven bow enchanted with soul trap has made me a literal harvester of souls. That and my axe of the same... I'm working enchanting so hard, I think even my henchling gets uncomfortable when I chase down every living creature, even every rabbit and fox, slavering "SOOUUUUULLLS!"

Anyway, Iron daggers sure do the trick. Not only is blacksmithing now 100, but between it and enchanting, I never want for money again. Buy all ingots and leather strips, make 20-40 daggers, enchant, sell back for 50x profit, buy empty soul gems, repeat until filthy stinking rich.
 
Yeah, Enchanting does the trick, but i don't even make daggers anymore. I just pick up stuff in dungeons to enchant now.

There IS a heavy armor out there that will help with your stealth, as I've been using it since the moment I got it.
It's the reward for doing Boaietha's (sp?) quest. Ebony Mail.
 

Necronic

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I can agree that the destruction spell tree is a little vanilla, but destruction spells, and the whole spell tree really, are not underpowered. Where I am at now the game is actually far too easy.

You also have to appreciate that with destruction spells I don't have to worry about stuff like shields blocking my attacks and dragons are a complete joke. Destruction is boring, true, but it's insanely powerful when you get the better spells.

It really is boring though :(
 

Necronic

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I'm lvl 45

Edit: And to clarify I play on expert or whatever it is. Right now I basically just run through dungeons as fast as I can. I have yet to come across anything that was a challenge. Including the Galdur quest which I just finished. That one should have been brutal. It was not (not a bad reward for that btw.)
 
I'm betting Necronic is running one of those -100% Destruction School spell cost setups i've seen floating around. When you don't need to worry about mana, Destruction magic becomes great again.
 

GasBandit

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Yeah, Enchanting does the trick, but i don't even make daggers anymore. I just pick up stuff in dungeons to enchant now.
When I was a new adventurer, I shunned the daggers to carry two or three incredibly heavy weapons of greater value. What a fool I was.

I SHOULD have been leaving all those breastplates and greataxes on the floor, and been picking up all the daggers to enchant.
 
Tyeah, even then the best spell is hardly as effective as an archer with the added damage abilities.

When it takes 10 thunderbolts to equal one arrow something's off.
 

Necronic

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No, I'm not using the free destro build, but it's fairly high regen and destro spells are cheap. The main thing that has made it trivial is the ability to summon a daedra lord. I can just summon one of those duders, get behind him and snipe with thunderbolt, then when he looks like he's about to die I recast another one right behind him.

I DO wish there were some enchants to increase spell strengths though. Maybe require it to also increase cost as well, I dunno, but I can't one-shot dudes with the thunderbolt spell.

But seriously destruction is not even close to underpowered, you just have to build your char 100% around it.

Edit: And yeah Thunderbolts won't one-shot the highest level dudes, they shouldn't be able to do that. Hell if anything what I am hearing is that archery is severely broken.

Edit2: And the destruction fire/ice/lightning-cloak spells are pretty awesome as well. It makes hunting more like this creepy Native American ritual where you run alongside the wildlife (until they die...)

Also disintegrating dragons makes the game way cleaner.
 

GasBandit

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But seriously destruction is not even close to underpowered, you just have to build your char 100% around it.
Maybe that's why it feels underpowered, because I'm a one-hand-and-shield-and-restoration-and-blacksmithing-and-enchanting-and-alchemy-and-stealth-and-archery guy whose dwarven armor is still ENTIRELY UNENCHANTED (because I'm waiting to max enchant) and am also in the 90s in speech, and I'm two-shotting most common enemies (and instakilling most bandits and below, of course). Does take 5 or 6 hits to kill a dragon or better though.
 
No, I'm not using the free destro build, but it's fairly high regen and destro spells are cheap. The main thing that has made it trivial is the ability to summon a daedra lord. I can just summon one of those duders, get behind him and snipe with thunderbolt, then when he looks like he's about to die I recast another one right behind him.

I DO wish there were some enchants to increase spell strengths though. Maybe require it to also increase cost as well, I dunno, but I can't one-shot dudes with the thunderbolt spell.

But seriously destruction is not even close to underpowered, you just have to build your char 100% around it.

Edit: And yeah Thunderbolts won't one-shot the highest level dudes, they shouldn't be able to do that. Hell if anything what I am hearing is that archery is severely broken.

Edit2: And the destruction fire/ice/lightning-cloak spells are pretty awesome as well. It makes hunting more like this creepy Native American ritual where you run alongside the wildlife (until they die...)

Also disintegrating dragons makes the game way cleaner.
Dragon corpses littering the land is one thing (of very few actual fixes) that's getting fixed in the patch.
 
ENTIRELY UNENCHANTED
This brings up another thing I wish we could do, and that is "upgrade" enchants. It's stupid to me that once I enchant something it's pretty much screwed, and I have to make a whole new set of armor to apply more powerful versions of the same enchants. They didn't make it so I can only upgrade my armor rating or weapon rating once and then never again, so why not do the same for enchants? I literally spent a good 20 levels of the game not touching enchanting just because I always felt I couldn't stomach myself "locking" my armor into low enchants.
 

GasBandit

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This brings up another thing I wish we could do, and that is "upgrade" enchants. It's stupid to me that once I enchant something it's pretty much screwed, and I have to make a whole new set of armor to apply more powerful versions of the same enchants. They didn't make it so I can only upgrade my armor rating or weapon rating once and then never again, so why not do the same for enchants? I literally spent a good 20 levels of the game not touching enchanting just because I always felt I couldn't stomach myself "locking" my armor into low enchants.
That's a good one too. I'd like that. Although, really, after one trip through a dwarf ruin down in the rift, I literally have 80+ bars of dwarven metal ingots and could probably remake my entire armor set several times over if I so desired... But when I look at my enchanting and it's like "plus 13% to regen" it just feels so PUNY to put on there.

Ugh, the mage's college ends up being a dragon graveyard populated by 2-3 full jiggling dragon skeletons at a time.
HAH! Did you try casting fury on the bones?

 

Necronic

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Maybe that's why it feels underpowered, because I'm a one-hand-and-shield-and-restoration-and-blacksmithing-and-enchanting-and-alchemy-and-stealth-and-archery guy whose dwarven armor is still ENTIRELY UNENCHANTED (because I'm waiting to max enchant) and am also in the 90s in speech, and I'm two-shotting most common enemies (and instakilling most bandits and below, of course). Does take 5 or 6 hits to kill a dragon or better though.
Good lord man just enchant the armor. By the time you get max enchanting you'll be seeing ebony armor (or you'll just be able to make yourself a new set of dwarven armor.)

Also I maxed my enchanting with purchased/found soul gems, I captured almost nothing. Rich like a boss (but god that cost a lot, like 50k)
 
One little hint for those that want to level up Illusion. Most Illusion spells require you to be in combat to get the most gain, but Muffle is not one of them. If you quickly get the Muffle spell, you can just cast it while wandering around and will level up extremely fast. Before you know it you will be maxed. This is great if you are going to work towards a thief/mage type character who also wants to buff up Followers.
 

GasBandit

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Good lord man just enchant the armor. By the time you get max enchanting you'll be seeing ebony armor (or you'll just be able to make yourself a new set of dwarven armor.)

Also I maxed my enchanting with purchased/found soul gems, I captured almost nothing. Rich like a boss (but god that cost a lot, like 50k)
I know you could probably do it that way, but I like reaping souls. I do kinda think that it's bullshit that you have to have "special" ones to reap human souls though, and that even the most stupid, weak bandit has a "grand" soul. I plan to fix the first part of that though, yes I do. Got me an azura quest, and Mister Exposition in the inn by the college has already tipped me off what I need to do with it.

And like I said, I could probably make myself 2 or 3 new sets of dwarf armor even NOW, as I have about 80 dwarven metal bars in a cupboard. I just... can't stand shitty enchants. And plus, like I said - I don't need the enchants. I'm smashing faces just with what I have. Dwarven axe of Animus FTW.

I also have an old steel shield that I've improved to Legendary status because it's got a 15% magic resist bonus on it... and the best I could enchant right now is probably half that.
 

Necronic

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A health enchant with the perk for it and an enchanters draught/elixer/philter/potion is still pretty potent. Same thing with a lot of the other enchants.

Even before I hit max enchant I was enchanting most of my own equipment. Once I hit max enchant I saw no reason to even loot dungeons anymore.
 

GasBandit

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Yeah, I'm only like 50 enchant or so I think, and only have a few of the perks - I went straight for the "deathblows recharge 5% of your weapon" perk, and then started putting points elsewhere.
 

Necronic

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Ah, yeah I never got that one since I don't use charged weapons and I don't dirty my hands by touching anything. Ever.

Skyrim is dirty.
 
So, I've noticed that the tide of public opinion is starting to turn on this game on some review sites.

I can't wait till I can be a hipster and only like the game ironically.
 
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