Who do you think will win the GOP nomination?
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If it's any consolation, you won't be the only one this primary season
I think if the GOP wants to pretend they have a shot, they'll go Romney. They still won't have a shot, but they can live in their pretend world until Election Day is over.
I so wanted to see the national commercials showing her as completely nucking futs.
I don't know why your guys' elections go on so long. Aren't you tired of it yet?
I know. That's what I mean. Its ridiculuous.
Yeah. A little (a lot).
GasBandit
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Yes, there's way too much pre-election hullaballoo for my taste. In fact I hate the whole "primary" system. We should switch to instant runoff. Yeah, I know, and ponies and chocolate air for everybody.
Krisken - No, Paul is not my dream candidate. He's got some good ideas, but he's wackier than anybody on some other things - especially foreign policy. He's said we "kinda deserved" 9/11 and said if Iran wants nukes we should just let em have em and oh well. Also he believes in anthropogenic global warming - which directly torpedoes his stance against regulation if taken to its logical conclusion.
Really, the least unpalatable of the bunch was Herman Cain. Now that he's out there's absolutely nobody of any redeeming value on the republican ticket whatsoever. They're ALMOST as bad as Obama
Krisken - No, Paul is not my dream candidate. He's got some good ideas, but he's wackier than anybody on some other things - especially foreign policy. He's said we "kinda deserved" 9/11 and said if Iran wants nukes we should just let em have em and oh well. Also he believes in anthropogenic global warming - which directly torpedoes his stance against regulation if taken to its logical conclusion.
Really, the least unpalatable of the bunch was Herman Cain. Now that he's out there's absolutely nobody of any redeeming value on the republican ticket whatsoever. They're ALMOST as bad as Obama
GasBandit
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And what did you expect, going out there dressed like that, young lady?
Necronic
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You're forgetting the fact that he was a black republican. Electing him would have led to a robot genocide as they tried to understand the paradox.Really, the least unpalatable of the bunch was Herman Cain. Now that he's out there's absolutely nobody of any redeeming value on the republican ticket whatsoever. They're ALMOST as bad as Obama
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The problem with the "chickens coming home to roost" argument is that, while it has some truth in it, defining the US culpability in the problems in the middle east is a complex train of political logic that requires a relatively deep understanding of history and international politics.
And then the argument requires that a bunch of dudes that can't tell the difference between Americans and Russians follow this same thought process.
The other option is that this is a group of downtrodden and opressed people that are manipulated into acts of extreme violence by some truly terrible political and religious dictators.
I think Russia gets let off the hook a lot by that region because they basically destroyed their economy with their foreign policy and they are still recovering from it, where as America basically came out of the Cold War unscathed.
GasBandit
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That's not what he means, I think... he means Afghanistanis consider Russians and Americans to be interchangable because they're both foreign, non-muslim occupiers, and that you can't lead someone down a complex, nuanced path when the alternative is a simple, self-affirming "kill the heathens" dogma.
Yeah, I just re-read that line. I didn't read it correctly the first time through.
Sorry, what I really mean was, "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM AND OUR MTV AND OUR JESUS!" That much saner than saying our foreign policy and actions over seas in the past had any impact on things.
It takes a certain, strange mind to equate decades of foreign policy and secret CIA wars with a rape victim and her attacker.
GasBandit
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And I said they had the same effect as choosing to dress attractively and going out does on getting sexually assaulted. If she'd dressed in a burkha, might she have been passed over? Perhaps, but it doesn't mean she is to blame, nor was she in the wrong. The blame for 9/11 rests completely on the shoulders of third world islamist despots - political and theocratical both - who exploit the hopeless with overzealous dogma. Not because we continue to enable Israel to exist.
GasBandit
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Again with the overcomplicated, nuanced stuff. The people who perpetrated 9/11 were not political science majors, and they certainly were not privy to CIA secrets. Their motivations were simple - their life sucked, we're the great satan who enables israel to exist, and this is their ticket to eternity in paradise.
It's sad how often someone implies every suicide bomber has a post-graduate level grasp of international politics while lampooning the american layman with a south park quote in the same breath (or agreeing with it in the same breath as the case may be).
Necronic
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If you were to say that 911 was fallout from american activities I think there's only 2 things you could really argue:
1) We should have taken serious interest in rebuilding Afghanistan after the soviet invasion.
2) We shouldn't have allowed the Shah of Iran to fall in the Iranian revolution.
Other than that the effects you are talking about are far to intricate and complex for most of the duders that end up as militants to even begin to appreciate.
1) We should have taken serious interest in rebuilding Afghanistan after the soviet invasion.
2) We shouldn't have allowed the Shah of Iran to fall in the Iranian revolution.
Other than that the effects you are talking about are far to intricate and complex for most of the duders that end up as militants to even begin to appreciate.
But several of the 9/11 attackers were firmly middle-class with decent university level educations. AND they still flew planes into the buildings.
They were also Saudis, but no one seems to care about that, as long as the oil keeps flowing.
Necronic
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The guys who put planes into buildings are really a small part of a much larger canvas, one that involves an entire culture of anti-western rhetoric and hate. This culture has outliers, like these duders, but you have to see the forest, not the trees.
Think of the KKK or Aryan nation. Yes, there are some seriously educated people in those organizations, but they are definitely the minority. The real power of those organizations comes from the ignorant masses who support the rest of the operation.
Think of the KKK or Aryan nation. Yes, there are some seriously educated people in those organizations, but they are definitely the minority. The real power of those organizations comes from the ignorant masses who support the rest of the operation.
Feel free to drop the "m" and be more truthful.
GasBandit
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Occam's razor says for you to shut up. I told him to be nice, but he's been drinking pine sol again.
See, I'm not saying "America is to blame" here. I just happen to believe that our governments foreign policy/wars/involvement with other countries, etc, has had an impact on the world that has good and bad results. I think many Americans dislike the idea that our actions have caused "blowback" and would rather pretend the reason people attack us is because we like short-shorts and baptists and freedom fries. While I can agree there are factions that ideologically oppose us it's hardly the only reason.
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