[Movies] Brave

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Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

I'm excited for this movie.

It's kind of funny that all the trailers I've seen on ESPN/ABC during sports completely gloss over / leave out that the protagonist is a girl, and doesn't even show her at all. Just a bunch of generic Viking physical comedy.
 
Covar

Covar

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I'm excited for this movie.

It's kind of funny that all the trailers I've seen on ESPN/ABC during sports completely gloss over / leave out that the protagonist is a girl, and doesn't even show her at all. Just a bunch of generic Viking physical comedy.
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Highlanders actually. I don't recall seeing ads for this outside of theaters, but then again with it being summer I haven't watched as much live TV.
 
phil

phil

I haven't seen a lot of ads for this, so I can't actually tell what it's about other than she wants to "change her fate" which is pretty vague. The ads all also seem to be sure to include the same 3 parts (lady screaming, stopping and screaming again. Old guy mooning someone. Everyone ducking arrows) which always worries me.
 
Tress

Tress

phil said:
The ads all also seem to be sure to include the same 3 parts (lady screaming, stopping and screaming again. Old guy mooning someone. Everyone ducking arrows) which always worries me.
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You get worried, whereas I'm happy we don't have four trailers showing most of the content of the movie and lowering my incentive to actually see it. I hate it when trailers show too much.

I think this looks good. I'm looking forward to it.
 
Gusto

Gusto

phil said:
I haven't seen a lot of ads for this, so I can't actually tell what it's about other than she wants to "change her fate" which is pretty vague. The ads all also seem to be sure to include the same 3 parts (lady screaming, stopping and screaming again. Old guy mooning someone. Everyone ducking arrows) which always worries me.
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It's Pixar and that's enough for me.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Gusto said:
It's Pixar and that's enough for me.
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This is pretty much why we didn't have a thread about it until now. It's a given to go see it.

I gotta wait three weeks due to funds and sister's wedding, but I too am glad I haven't seen the whole damn movie from the trailers.
 
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Soliloquy

Gusto said:
It's Pixar and that's enough for me.
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Exception: Cars 2.

(Can't wait for this one though).
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phil said:
I haven't seen a lot of ads for this, so I can't actually tell what it's about other than she wants to "change her fate" which is pretty vague. The ads all also seem to be sure to include the same 3 parts (lady screaming, stopping and screaming again. Old guy mooning someone. Everyone ducking arrows) which always worries me.
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How's this single scene:

 
phil

phil

Tress said:
You get worried, whereas I'm happy we don't have four trailers showing most of the content of the movie and lowering my incentive to actually see it. I hate it when trailers show too much.

I think this looks good. I'm looking forward to it.
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So you must be really excited to see Madagascar 3 which has almost exclusively limited it's trailers to that circus Afro song.

I'm sorry, that was mean of me. No one wants to see Madagascar 3. All I'm saying is that it looks like this movie has exactly 3 funny things that happen.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

phil said:
So you must be really excited to see Madagascar 3 which has almost exclusively limited it's trailers to that circus Afro song.

I'm sorry, that was mean of me. No one wants to see Madagascar 3. All I'm saying is that it looks like this movie has exactly 3 funny things that happen.
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It's... probably not a comedy?

Go watch some Shrek. Oh wait, that's not funny either. :awesome:
 
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Soliloquy

Yeah, Pixar movies aren't necessarily hilarious. They're just awesome. Wall-E and Up weren't comedies. They had funny parts, but that's not what made them great.
 
klew

klew

A friend got to see the film on Sunday AT PIXAR STUDIOS, meaning the screening conditions were as optimal as you can get.
 
phil

phil

Quotemander Prime said:
It's... probably not a comedy?

Go watch some Shrek. Oh wait, that's not funny either. :awesome:
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Whatevs. Shrek was pretty dope.

I still maintain that the trailers could do more to make me want to see this movie. If this one makes money I bet the next Pixar movie trailers won't even tell you what the movie is called. The posters will just say "Pixar did something. It's showing now. Hey maybe it's about the desk lamp! Who knows though?"
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

phil said:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Whatevs. Shrek was pretty dope.

I still maintain that the trailers could do more to make me want to see this movie. If this one makes money I bet the next Pixar movie trailers won't even tell you what the movie is called. The posters will just say "Pixar did something. It's showing now. Hey maybe it's about the desk lamp! Who knows though?"
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It's about a Scottish princess who has issues with her family and the life her mother has planned out for her, so she goes and bothers something in the woods to change her fate. There are also bears.

That is what I got from the trailers. I don't see how you failed to get at least that much.

At another forum I used to frequent, there was a guy who said all Pixar movies are the same; i.e. they made Toy Story, and then A Bug's Life was Toy Story with bugs, Monsters Inc. was Toy Story with monsters, The Incredibles was Toy Story with superheroes, Wall-E was Toy Story with rats... don't know what the hell he'd have said about Up. Anyway, he thought Shrek and Ice Age were the best things ever. Just goes to show, we don't all have the same opinions because some people eat lead paint and love Shrek and Ice Age.
 
Cajungal

Cajungal

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Charlie Don't Surf said:
I'm excited for this movie.

It's kind of funny that all the trailers I've seen on ESPN/ABC during sports completely gloss over / leave out that the protagonist is a girl, and doesn't even show her at all. Just a bunch of generic Viking physical comedy.
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Ticket sales. There is a study that found that young men are less likely than young girls to be interested in a story if the protagonist is of the opposite sex. Part of why Disney's Rapunzel movie was titled _Tangled_ was to avoid pulling in only young girls. That's why they showed a lot of Flynn footage. I'm guessing they're trying to keep boys interested.
 
phil

phil

Quotemander Prime said:
It's about a Scottish princess who has issues with her family and the life her mother has planned out for her, so she goes and bothers something in the woods to change her fate. There are also bears.

That is what I got from the trailers. I don't see how you failed to get at least that much.

At another forum I used to frequent, there was a guy who said all Pixar movies are the same; i.e. they made Toy Story, and then A Bug's Life was Toy Story with bugs, Monsters Inc. was Toy Story with monsters, The Incredibles was Toy Story with superheroes, Wall-E was Toy Story with rats... don't know what the hell he'd have said about Up. Anyway, he thought Shrek and Ice Age were the best things ever. Just goes to show, we don't all have the same opinions because some people eat lead paint and love Shrek and Ice Age.
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Yes, I too was able to see images and identify them for what they were, funnily enough. What I failed to see was a real reason to care about said movIng images.

Is that ok?
 
klew

klew

Cajungal said:
Ticket sales. There is a study that found that young men are less likely than young girls to be interested in a story if the protagonist is of the opposite sex. Part of why Disney's Rapunzel movie was titled _Tangled_ was to avoid pulling in only young girls. That's why they showed a lot of Flynn footage. I'm guessing they're trying to keep boys interested.
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The original title was "The Bear and the Bow" which might have appealed to boys more than "Brave".
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

phil said:
Yes, I too was able to see images and identify them for what they were, funnily enough. What I failed to see was a real reason to care about said movIng images.

Is that ok?
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Yeah, but this

I can't actually tell what it's about other than she wants to "change her fate"
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made it seem like you had no idea what was going on from the trailers and that all you'd processed was the crappy tagline "If you had the chance to change your fate, would you do it?" What I don't understand is why you'd want more than story set-up.

So I guess to put it another way: It's not that the trailer was vague. Trailers shouldn't be cliff notes for the film--I hate when trailers give away the whole movie. The trailer gave you the premise, you just didn't care about.

And on that, knowing that the premise is something you won't care about, your question shouldn't be "what else?" but "should I see this movie?"
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

I want to have someone watch Cary long enough for Kati and I to go see it, assuming we can't catch a family-friendly matinee.

--Patrick
 
Just Me

Just Me

here's another trailer, her daddy always cracks me up (starting at 0:40)



And gosh, what hairMerida has, just like my first real love affair and relationship *sigh*
 
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Raemon777

It.... has not been getting really excellent reviews over at rottentomatoes. I'm a little scared.

(Not BAD reviews, just a lot of things like "if this was Dreamworks this movie would be pretty good, but we expect better from Pixar")
 
GasBandit

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Raemon777 said:
It.... has not been getting really excellent reviews over at rottentomatoes. I'm a little scared.

(Not BAD reviews, just a lot of things like "if this was Dreamworks this movie would be pretty good, but we expect better from Pixar")
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That makes me cackle. Even a bad Pixar movie beats Dreamworks.
 
Tress

Tress

Okay, now I'm getting worried too:


Pixar Isn’t Even Trying. Brave, Reviewed.
by Will Leitch


1. The brand Pixar has become so powerful and so reliable in the last decade that we forget that's all it is: A brand. We assume every new Pixar film will be well thought out and impeccably constructed, like the Pixar crew is one hivemind that taps into the American subconscious and springs a neverending well of quick-witted, soul-stirring, demographically universal stories that everyone nods along with, together as one. But it's not, of course: Pixar is just a movie studio like any other, capable of rush jobs and cash grabs and bet-hedging. That they have taken risks in the past—most notably with Wall-E, a movie that seems more miraculous the farther away we get from it—does not makes them more likely to push the envelope in the future; it's the exact opposite. So last year, we get Cars 2, a movie I like but is as safe a bet as white bread. And this year, we get Brave, perhaps the least ambitious film they've ever made. I don't remember a time Pixar has expended so little energy to entertain us.

2. The issues are almost entirely with story, which is typically Pixar's strength. Merida is a princess betrothed to marry a rival kingdom's prince, a predetermined relationship she understandably fights against, especially because she yearns to be a great warrior like her father. Curiously, the movie turns her father (and all the male characters, really) into a buffoon, making her primary adversary her mother the Queen (voiced by Emma Thompson), who constantly rides her on what is proper and appropriate for a princess. So far, so good, if nothing particularly original: It's a standard story about a tomboy princess who lusts for a quest of her own, a striving for freedom and independence, with some Stonehenge-type structures thrown in to give the movie some mystical resonance. You're fully expecting a full-throated action adventure in the second half of the movie, as Merida fights like her father while learning that her mother has a few lessons to teach as well.

3. That is not what happens. I am hesitant to give away the movie's big plot twist halfway through, but suffice it to say, when it happens, it's a needle-off-the-record moment that sends the movie careening off in an entirely different, much dumber direction. It signals that the movie is about to go silly on us, and not in a "Look, I'm Woody, howdy howdy howdy" fun silly direction. The mystery and potential scope of the first half is just sent flying off the back of the truck, and the movie becomes an odd mix of slapstick and fairy-tale flimsiness, an utterly conventional tale of derring-do that keeps bumping into the lane of the faintly ridiculous. The movie's second half is a weirdly aimless slog, as if it forget all the threads it set up in the first half. If I didn't know it was animated, I'd have thought they had to bring all the cast together for some last-minute emergency reshoots.

4. I also don't remember the last time a Pixar film had such a tin ear for comedy, either. Scenes that are ostensibly played for laughs consistently fall flat, and dare I say it, there are some moments (particularly involving the mother after the plot twist) that the film borders perilously on the edge of camp. The movie isn't even all that consistent about the rules in its own imaginary universe, particularly when it comes to magic, which Brave introduces suddenly and half-heartedly, the lazy poison pill that both moves along the plot and illustrates how little it's willing to work. One of the keys to Pixar films' success is that they feel as if they've been made by obsessives; people obsessive to detail, sure, but also by people who seem to truly love their subject matter. (Ratatouille is totally made by foodies.) Here, the movie looks half-hearted, like everyone felt obliged to make it, rather than compelled. In a lot of ways, it feels like a PR campaign in search of a story. Pixar has long been criticized for being a boy's club, so now we have a movie with a mother-daughter relationship at the center of it. The problem is that you can't help but wonder if that's where the thought process stalled.

5. There's a good movie in here somewhere, evidenced in late scenes involving the mother and daughter that would have real emotional resonance had the film earned it. (Every mother and daughter have had moments when their inherent closeness have caused them to deeply hurt the other in ways only they could. This is a moving idea to put at the center of a kids movie. Just not this one.) And the movie looks undeniably terrific; plenty of thought and effort went into the visuals, from the sweeping panoramas of Scotland to the smallest ringlet of Merida's flowing red hair. But that attention to detail was lacking on the most basic level, the story; this is the first time, narratively, that Pixar hasn't bothered to sweat the small stuff. I'm not sure what the problem is—maybe they just thought having a female lead was enough?—but to see a Pixar movie this sloppy, conventional, and slipshod is downright flabbergasting. Maybe it really is a boy's club after all.
Grade: C.
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Soliloquy

:(

Maybe I'll just watch Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter this weekend instead. Brave might be the better movie, but I don't feel like being disappointed.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I'm almost certain this happened because they removed the original director well into production of the movie, never really giving a reason for it. It was to be Pixar's first project helmed by a woman and they angered a lot of people when they replaced her without a reason.

Honestly, this sounds like the case of two conflicting visions. Oh well, maybe Monster's High will be better.

And yeah, Pixar gets a freebie every so many years. A Bug's Life was kinda ho-hum and Cars was just kinda stupid (though it made a SHITTON of money.)
 
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