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#1

Covar

Covar


Pixar's latest creation comes out next Friday. I can't wait.


#2

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

I'm excited for this movie.

It's kind of funny that all the trailers I've seen on ESPN/ABC during sports completely gloss over / leave out that the protagonist is a girl, and doesn't even show her at all. Just a bunch of generic Viking physical comedy.


#3

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

There's better be a subtitled version of this comin' out, or I'm gonna kill some voice actors.


#4

Covar

Covar

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I'm excited for this movie.

It's kind of funny that all the trailers I've seen on ESPN/ABC during sports completely gloss over / leave out that the protagonist is a girl, and doesn't even show her at all. Just a bunch of generic Viking physical comedy.
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Highlanders actually. I don't recall seeing ads for this outside of theaters, but then again with it being summer I haven't watched as much live TV.


#5

Cajungal

Cajungal

Eeeee, I've been very excited for this! Can't wait!


#6

Gusto

Gusto

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY et cetera.


#7

phil

phil

I haven't seen a lot of ads for this, so I can't actually tell what it's about other than she wants to "change her fate" which is pretty vague. The ads all also seem to be sure to include the same 3 parts (lady screaming, stopping and screaming again. Old guy mooning someone. Everyone ducking arrows) which always worries me.


#8

Tress

Tress

phil said:
The ads all also seem to be sure to include the same 3 parts (lady screaming, stopping and screaming again. Old guy mooning someone. Everyone ducking arrows) which always worries me.
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You get worried, whereas I'm happy we don't have four trailers showing most of the content of the movie and lowering my incentive to actually see it. I hate it when trailers show too much.

I think this looks good. I'm looking forward to it.


#9

Gusto

Gusto

phil said:
I haven't seen a lot of ads for this, so I can't actually tell what it's about other than she wants to "change her fate" which is pretty vague. The ads all also seem to be sure to include the same 3 parts (lady screaming, stopping and screaming again. Old guy mooning someone. Everyone ducking arrows) which always worries me.
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It's Pixar and that's enough for me.


#10

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Gusto said:
It's Pixar and that's enough for me.
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This is pretty much why we didn't have a thread about it until now. It's a given to go see it.

I gotta wait three weeks due to funds and sister's wedding, but I too am glad I haven't seen the whole damn movie from the trailers.


#11



Soliloquy

Gusto said:
It's Pixar and that's enough for me.
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Exception: Cars 2.

(Can't wait for this one though).
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phil said:
I haven't seen a lot of ads for this, so I can't actually tell what it's about other than she wants to "change her fate" which is pretty vague. The ads all also seem to be sure to include the same 3 parts (lady screaming, stopping and screaming again. Old guy mooning someone. Everyone ducking arrows) which always worries me.
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How's this single scene:



#12

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Bleedin' hell... I hafta wait until August 24th before this premieres in Finland.

I has sad now... :(


#13

phil

phil

Tress said:
You get worried, whereas I'm happy we don't have four trailers showing most of the content of the movie and lowering my incentive to actually see it. I hate it when trailers show too much.

I think this looks good. I'm looking forward to it.
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So you must be really excited to see Madagascar 3 which has almost exclusively limited it's trailers to that circus Afro song.

I'm sorry, that was mean of me. No one wants to see Madagascar 3. All I'm saying is that it looks like this movie has exactly 3 funny things that happen.


#14

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

phil said:
So you must be really excited to see Madagascar 3 which has almost exclusively limited it's trailers to that circus Afro song.

I'm sorry, that was mean of me. No one wants to see Madagascar 3. All I'm saying is that it looks like this movie has exactly 3 funny things that happen.
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It's... probably not a comedy?

Go watch some Shrek. Oh wait, that's not funny either. :awesome:


#15



Soliloquy

Yeah, Pixar movies aren't necessarily hilarious. They're just awesome. Wall-E and Up weren't comedies. They had funny parts, but that's not what made them great.


#16

klew

klew

A friend got to see the film on Sunday AT PIXAR STUDIOS, meaning the screening conditions were as optimal as you can get.


#17

phil

phil

Quotemander Prime said:
It's... probably not a comedy?

Go watch some Shrek. Oh wait, that's not funny either. :awesome:
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Whatevs. Shrek was pretty dope.

I still maintain that the trailers could do more to make me want to see this movie. If this one makes money I bet the next Pixar movie trailers won't even tell you what the movie is called. The posters will just say "Pixar did something. It's showing now. Hey maybe it's about the desk lamp! Who knows though?"


#18

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

phil said:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Whatevs. Shrek was pretty dope.

I still maintain that the trailers could do more to make me want to see this movie. If this one makes money I bet the next Pixar movie trailers won't even tell you what the movie is called. The posters will just say "Pixar did something. It's showing now. Hey maybe it's about the desk lamp! Who knows though?"
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It's about a Scottish princess who has issues with her family and the life her mother has planned out for her, so she goes and bothers something in the woods to change her fate. There are also bears.

That is what I got from the trailers. I don't see how you failed to get at least that much.

At another forum I used to frequent, there was a guy who said all Pixar movies are the same; i.e. they made Toy Story, and then A Bug's Life was Toy Story with bugs, Monsters Inc. was Toy Story with monsters, The Incredibles was Toy Story with superheroes, Wall-E was Toy Story with rats... don't know what the hell he'd have said about Up. Anyway, he thought Shrek and Ice Age were the best things ever. Just goes to show, we don't all have the same opinions because some people eat lead paint and love Shrek and Ice Age.


#19

Cajungal

Cajungal

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I'm excited for this movie.

It's kind of funny that all the trailers I've seen on ESPN/ABC during sports completely gloss over / leave out that the protagonist is a girl, and doesn't even show her at all. Just a bunch of generic Viking physical comedy.
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Ticket sales. There is a study that found that young men are less likely than young girls to be interested in a story if the protagonist is of the opposite sex. Part of why Disney's Rapunzel movie was titled _Tangled_ was to avoid pulling in only young girls. That's why they showed a lot of Flynn footage. I'm guessing they're trying to keep boys interested.


#20

phil

phil

Quotemander Prime said:
It's about a Scottish princess who has issues with her family and the life her mother has planned out for her, so she goes and bothers something in the woods to change her fate. There are also bears.

That is what I got from the trailers. I don't see how you failed to get at least that much.

At another forum I used to frequent, there was a guy who said all Pixar movies are the same; i.e. they made Toy Story, and then A Bug's Life was Toy Story with bugs, Monsters Inc. was Toy Story with monsters, The Incredibles was Toy Story with superheroes, Wall-E was Toy Story with rats... don't know what the hell he'd have said about Up. Anyway, he thought Shrek and Ice Age were the best things ever. Just goes to show, we don't all have the same opinions because some people eat lead paint and love Shrek and Ice Age.
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Yes, I too was able to see images and identify them for what they were, funnily enough. What I failed to see was a real reason to care about said movIng images.

Is that ok?


#21

klew

klew

Cajungal said:
Ticket sales. There is a study that found that young men are less likely than young girls to be interested in a story if the protagonist is of the opposite sex. Part of why Disney's Rapunzel movie was titled _Tangled_ was to avoid pulling in only young girls. That's why they showed a lot of Flynn footage. I'm guessing they're trying to keep boys interested.
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The original title was "The Bear and the Bow" which might have appealed to boys more than "Brave".


#22

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

phil said:
Yes, I too was able to see images and identify them for what they were, funnily enough. What I failed to see was a real reason to care about said movIng images.

Is that ok?
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Yeah, but this

I can't actually tell what it's about other than she wants to "change her fate"
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made it seem like you had no idea what was going on from the trailers and that all you'd processed was the crappy tagline "If you had the chance to change your fate, would you do it?" What I don't understand is why you'd want more than story set-up.

So I guess to put it another way: It's not that the trailer was vague. Trailers shouldn't be cliff notes for the film--I hate when trailers give away the whole movie. The trailer gave you the premise, you just didn't care about.

And on that, knowing that the premise is something you won't care about, your question shouldn't be "what else?" but "should I see this movie?"


#23

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Cajungal said:
Part of why Disney's Rapunzel movie was titled _Tangled_ was to avoid pulling in only young girls.
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I went for the bondage undertones. :ninja:


#24

PatrThom

PatrThom

I want to have someone watch Cary long enough for Kati and I to go see it, assuming we can't catch a family-friendly matinee.

--Patrick


#25

Just Me

Just Me

here's another trailer, her daddy always cracks me up (starting at 0:40)



And gosh, what hairMerida has, just like my first real love affair and relationship *sigh*


#26



Tiq

My body is so very ready for this movie.


#27

R

Raemon777

It.... has not been getting really excellent reviews over at rottentomatoes. I'm a little scared.

(Not BAD reviews, just a lot of things like "if this was Dreamworks this movie would be pretty good, but we expect better from Pixar")


#28

GasBandit

GasBandit

Raemon777 said:
It.... has not been getting really excellent reviews over at rottentomatoes. I'm a little scared.

(Not BAD reviews, just a lot of things like "if this was Dreamworks this movie would be pretty good, but we expect better from Pixar")
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That makes me cackle. Even a bad Pixar movie beats Dreamworks.


#29

Tress

Tress

Okay, now I'm getting worried too:


Pixar Isn’t Even Trying. Brave, Reviewed.
by Will Leitch


1. The brand Pixar has become so powerful and so reliable in the last decade that we forget that's all it is: A brand. We assume every new Pixar film will be well thought out and impeccably constructed, like the Pixar crew is one hivemind that taps into the American subconscious and springs a neverending well of quick-witted, soul-stirring, demographically universal stories that everyone nods along with, together as one. But it's not, of course: Pixar is just a movie studio like any other, capable of rush jobs and cash grabs and bet-hedging. That they have taken risks in the past—most notably with Wall-E, a movie that seems more miraculous the farther away we get from it—does not makes them more likely to push the envelope in the future; it's the exact opposite. So last year, we get Cars 2, a movie I like but is as safe a bet as white bread. And this year, we get Brave, perhaps the least ambitious film they've ever made. I don't remember a time Pixar has expended so little energy to entertain us.

2. The issues are almost entirely with story, which is typically Pixar's strength. Merida is a princess betrothed to marry a rival kingdom's prince, a predetermined relationship she understandably fights against, especially because she yearns to be a great warrior like her father. Curiously, the movie turns her father (and all the male characters, really) into a buffoon, making her primary adversary her mother the Queen (voiced by Emma Thompson), who constantly rides her on what is proper and appropriate for a princess. So far, so good, if nothing particularly original: It's a standard story about a tomboy princess who lusts for a quest of her own, a striving for freedom and independence, with some Stonehenge-type structures thrown in to give the movie some mystical resonance. You're fully expecting a full-throated action adventure in the second half of the movie, as Merida fights like her father while learning that her mother has a few lessons to teach as well.

3. That is not what happens. I am hesitant to give away the movie's big plot twist halfway through, but suffice it to say, when it happens, it's a needle-off-the-record moment that sends the movie careening off in an entirely different, much dumber direction. It signals that the movie is about to go silly on us, and not in a "Look, I'm Woody, howdy howdy howdy" fun silly direction. The mystery and potential scope of the first half is just sent flying off the back of the truck, and the movie becomes an odd mix of slapstick and fairy-tale flimsiness, an utterly conventional tale of derring-do that keeps bumping into the lane of the faintly ridiculous. The movie's second half is a weirdly aimless slog, as if it forget all the threads it set up in the first half. If I didn't know it was animated, I'd have thought they had to bring all the cast together for some last-minute emergency reshoots.

4. I also don't remember the last time a Pixar film had such a tin ear for comedy, either. Scenes that are ostensibly played for laughs consistently fall flat, and dare I say it, there are some moments (particularly involving the mother after the plot twist) that the film borders perilously on the edge of camp. The movie isn't even all that consistent about the rules in its own imaginary universe, particularly when it comes to magic, which Brave introduces suddenly and half-heartedly, the lazy poison pill that both moves along the plot and illustrates how little it's willing to work. One of the keys to Pixar films' success is that they feel as if they've been made by obsessives; people obsessive to detail, sure, but also by people who seem to truly love their subject matter. (Ratatouille is totally made by foodies.) Here, the movie looks half-hearted, like everyone felt obliged to make it, rather than compelled. In a lot of ways, it feels like a PR campaign in search of a story. Pixar has long been criticized for being a boy's club, so now we have a movie with a mother-daughter relationship at the center of it. The problem is that you can't help but wonder if that's where the thought process stalled.

5. There's a good movie in here somewhere, evidenced in late scenes involving the mother and daughter that would have real emotional resonance had the film earned it. (Every mother and daughter have had moments when their inherent closeness have caused them to deeply hurt the other in ways only they could. This is a moving idea to put at the center of a kids movie. Just not this one.) And the movie looks undeniably terrific; plenty of thought and effort went into the visuals, from the sweeping panoramas of Scotland to the smallest ringlet of Merida's flowing red hair. But that attention to detail was lacking on the most basic level, the story; this is the first time, narratively, that Pixar hasn't bothered to sweat the small stuff. I'm not sure what the problem is—maybe they just thought having a female lead was enough?—but to see a Pixar movie this sloppy, conventional, and slipshod is downright flabbergasting. Maybe it really is a boy's club after all.
Grade: C.
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#30

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Pixar is allowed an only mildly good movie every once in a while. (Yes, I'm also worried)


#31

Tress

Tress

SpecialKO said:
Pixar is allowed an only mildly good movie every once in a while. (Yes, I'm also worried)
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I agree. I won't be flipping out and swearing to never watch another Pixar film. I just wanted this one to be good.


#32

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Bad news, Pixar just got bought by EA.


#33



Soliloquy

:(

Maybe I'll just watch Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter this weekend instead. Brave might be the better movie, but I don't feel like being disappointed.


#34

Gared

Gared

Ravenpoe said:
Bad news, Pixar just got bought by EA.
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You jest, but in actuality there was a push back in 2005 for Disney to buy EA in order to try to save the brand (EA, not Disney), in order to create Disney Pixar EA.


#35

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I'm almost certain this happened because they removed the original director well into production of the movie, never really giving a reason for it. It was to be Pixar's first project helmed by a woman and they angered a lot of people when they replaced her without a reason.

Honestly, this sounds like the case of two conflicting visions. Oh well, maybe Monster's High will be better.

And yeah, Pixar gets a freebie every so many years. A Bug's Life was kinda ho-hum and Cars was just kinda stupid (though it made a SHITTON of money.)


#36

GasBandit

GasBandit

Obligatory:


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Huh.. and I stumbled across a rebuttal.



#37

fade

fade

I am not surprised about that review at all. The trailer had a rather mediocre feel to it. The animation was nice, though Pixar still can't compete with Dreamworks on hair. But I'm with phil . That was the vaguest trailer I've seen in a while. This is me watching it: "Oh cool a new Pixar film. Okay, looks neat. Uh huh... uh...huh... and? What? I have no idea what any of that was supposed to mean. I know nothing about the premise other than maybe her brothers get turned into bears because she doesn't want to marry Prince Ali. Oh and some in-your-face symbolism involving dress ripping." I got an uninspired feel just from the trailer.
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As for Shrek v. Pixar? Do we have to? If we do, well Pixar movies are nice, traditional stories. They're tight and well done, but Shrek was fresh and used an inverted fairy tale to poke fun of both storybook and pop-culture conventions and tropes, all in a story that was in and of itself interesting because of the inversion.


#38

LittleSin

LittleSin

Man, no mention of MegaMind in that dream works poster? That was an AWESOME movie!

Any ways, the whole corset thing in Braves trailer really annoys me. Writers tend to fall back on this trope that a corset symbolizes female oppression. A corset that's properly fitten and tied is not uncomfortable and offers great breast and back support. Hell, men used to wear corsets back in the civil war era!

It basically the same as bra burning or something. I don't wear a bra because I'm being put down by "the man"...I wear one so when I'm out an about my hooters are knocking me in the face.

I think I'm the only one this bothers.


#39

Fun Size

Fun Size

Your hooters knocking them in the face? I'm a-guessing you're correct on that one.


#40

LittleSin

LittleSin

Ahah!

I used to run. I obviously don't any more. :p It was a problem.


#41

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Dreamworks has been doing a lot better of late. Kung Fu Panda, MegaMind, and Despicable Me were all great movies (and the sequel to Kung Fu Panda was better than it had any right to be). They clearly know what they are doing.


#42

Covar

Covar

AshburnerX said:
Dreamworks has been doing a lot better of late. Kung Fu Panda, MegaMind, and Despicable Me were all great movies (and the sequel to Kung Fu Panda was better than it had any right to be). They clearly know what they are doing.
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That's because Dreamworks has stopped trying to undermine and attack Disney and Pixar at every turn, and instead focused on making entertaining films.


#43

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

AshburnerX said:
Dreamworks has been doing a lot better of late. Kung Fu Panda, MegaMind, and Despicable Me were all great movies (and the sequel to Kung Fu Panda was better than it had any right to be). They clearly know what they are doing.
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Just a little correction, but Despicable Me was done by Illumination Entertainment, the same people that did Hop, and just recently, The Lorax. It was not done by Dreamworks.


#44

LittleSin

LittleSin

ScytheRexx said:
Just a little correction, but Despicable Me was done by Illumination Entertainment, the same people that did Hop, and just recently, The Lorax. It was not done by Dreamworks.
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...at least they have one good movie?


#45

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

I have a guess at what the twist is in Brave, and if I'm right, I'm gonna be pissed.


#46

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

ScytheRexx said:
Just a little correction, but Despicable Me was done by Illumination Entertainment, the same people that did Hop, and just recently, The Lorax. It was not done by Dreamworks.
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So yeah... they've only done one good movie then. Well, Horton Hears a Who was okay.


#47

Fun Size

Fun Size

She's a dude, isn't she? That, or her lack of a soul as a ginger makes her strong enough to face her fears.


#48

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

AshburnerX said:
So yeah... they've only done one good movie then. Well, Horton Hears a Who was okay.
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"Horton Hears A Who!" was done by Blue Sky Studios, the same guys that did Ice Age. :troll:

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I have a guess at what the twist is in Brave, and if I'm right, I'm gonna be pissed.
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The twist ended up being exactly what I was expecting going in, only to a different person then I was expecting.


#49

Tress

Tress

LittleSin said:
Any ways, the whole corset thing in Braves trailer really annoys me. Writers tend to fall back on this trope that a corset symbolizes female oppression. A corset that's properly fitten and tied is not uncomfortable and offers great breast and back support. Hell, men used to wear corsets back in the civil war era!
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That's all fine and good, but that's not what's going on in these scenarios. It's forcing an unwilling woman to wear a corset that is clearly too tight, all the while ignoring her protests. THAT is female oppression, and it's a handy trope for writers.


#50

LittleSin

LittleSin

Tress said:
That's all fine and good, but that's not what's going on in these scenarios. It's forcing an unwilling woman to wear a corset that is clearly too tight, all the while ignoring her protests. THAT is female oppression, and it's a handy trope for writers.
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Point 1: This is a teenaged girl who is rebelling. Her mother has to force her to wear proper support for decency, really. I wanted to wear skirts well above my knee to school when I 16...my father forced me to dress decently. I resented him for it but looking back on it I understand it.

Point 2: I assume the mother wears a corset as well, so she should know how to tie it comfortably. Instead she ties it up as tight as possible and declares it "perfect". It would have been perfect a if it was a few notches looser as well and any woman that has worn a corset can you that!

It's lazy writing. They just didn't have a better way to say "Look! Oppression!"
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Edit: I want to make it clear this my only problem thus far. I'm not a hardcore feminist and i haven't seen the entire movie. I just had to roll my eyes at this scene. It was pulled off better in Pirates of the Caribbean. At least in that movie the garment was unfamiliar to Elizabeth Swann and her servants.


#51



Soliloquy

AshburnerX said:
Dreamworks has been doing a lot better of late. Kung Fu Panda, MegaMind, and Despicable Me were all great movies (and the sequel to Kung Fu Panda was better than it had any right to be). They clearly know what they are doing.
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When I saw the trailer for MegaMind, I thought "Oh, they're doing an animated ripoff of Dr. Horrible."

Haven't actually seen the movie, though.


#52

Necronic

Necronic

Fun Size said:
She's a dude, isn't she? That, or her lack of a soul as a ginger makes her strong enough to face her fears.
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Exactly what crossed my mind when he said that.

Either that or She was dead the whole time!


#53

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Megamind > Despicable Me


#54

strawman

strawman

Quotemander Prime said:
Megamind > Despicable Me
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Yeah, but neither are particularly outstanding, so it's not exactly like it matters.


#55

GasBandit

GasBandit

I wanted to like both Megamind and Despicable Me... but both of them felt like pandering saturday morning cartoons.


#56

Gusto

Gusto

This thread has made me decide to watch either Wall-E or Ratatouille tonight.

Possibly both.


#57

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

There are a lot more players in the CG Animation game now than there were 10 years ago.
Dreamworks has had to step up as there's more competition now. This also means that the animated film talent pool is more dispersed, and animators and storyboard artists who wouldn't make it into Pixar or Dreamworks 10 years ago are getting chances elsewhere, and some of it pays off.

Blue Sky (Fox)- Ice Age 1-4, Robots, Horton Hears a Who, Rio
Illumination- Despicable Me, The Lorax
Sony Animation- Open Season, Surf's Up, Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, Hotel Transylvania
Nickelodeon & ILM- Rango
Pixar- Toy Story 1-3, A Bug's Life, Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Cars 1-2, Wall-E, Up, Brave, Monster's Inc
Disney 3D- Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph
Dreamworks- Antz, Shark Tale, Over the Hedge, Flushed Away, Monsters Vs. Aliens,Bee Movie, Madagascar 1-3, Shrek 1-4, Megamind, Puss in Boots, Kung Fu Panda 1-2


That's not including the smaller production houses like Core (The Wild) and Starz (9) that are contracted out.
Or the stop motion houses.

Also of note: Dreamworks has made 6 movies since 2010, with a 7th coming later this year.
Pixar has made 2, with a third this year.


#58

bhamv3

bhamv3

checkeredhat said:
Blue Sky (Fox)- Ice Age 1-4, Robots, Horton Hears a Who, Rio
Illumination- Despicable Me, The Lorax
Sony Animation- Open Season, Surf's Up, Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, Hotel Transylvania
Nickelodeon & ILM- Rango
Pixar- Toy Story 1-3, A Bug's Life, Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Cars 1-2, Wall-E, Up, Brave, Monster's Inc
Disney 3D- Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph
Dreamworks- Antz, Shark Tale, Over the Hedge, Flushed Away, Monsters Vs. Aliens,Bee Movie, Madagascar 1-3, Shrek 1-4, Megamind, Puss in Boots, Kung Fu Panda 1-2
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Out of this list, I think Rango's the best one.


#59

fade

fade

The official trailer for Monster's University is also out.


#60

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

GasBandit said:
Obligatory Pixar vs Dreamworks images
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Most of those faces are from promos for the movies, it's a marketing thing. The geniuses in Marketing think that expression instantly makes the characters look a little more "edgy" and it will help to keep from alienating the all important teen demographic. We had a woman from the Dreamworks Art Department come in and give us a rundown of how things work there, and she hated the Marketing department for this.Hearing the various talks we did, it was very clear that Dreamworks has a far more business-oriented mind.

The other thing to note is that the person who did the rebuttal kinda messed up by inadvertently pointing out that all the Dreamworks movies up that point were talking animals, while Pixar had used a variety of different types for their characters. Interestingly though, If you look at the films John Lasseter had the most influence over as either a writer or director, you do develop a pattern:

Luxo Jr.
Knick Knack
Tin Toy
Toy Story
Toy Story 2
Toy Story 3
Toy Story 4
Cars
Cars 2


He has a strong lean towards turning inanimate every objects into characters. He was even at the head of Brave Little Toaster for a long time, but there was a falling out, which is why he left Disney in the first place and wound up as the first aniamtor at Pixar.
Even his films at CalArts- "Lady and the Lamp" and "Nitemare", were about inanimate household objects coming to life.
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bhamv3 said:
Out of this list, I think Rango's the best one.
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Rango is amazingly good. I was blown away by it.


#61

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

checkeredhat said:
Toy Story 4
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#62

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Gusto said:
This thread has made me decide to watch either Wall-E or Ratatouille tonight.

Possibly both.
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Have you watched the amazing Pixar documentary that comes with Wall-E? I think I've watched that more times than the actual movie. It's sooooo good.
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Rumoured for 2015.
Nevermind, they've come out and officially denied it since then. Thank God.


#63

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

fade said:
The official trailer for Monster's University is also out.
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As with nearly every Pixar teaser, it looks terrible.

I'm sure the movie will be better though.
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checkeredhat said:
Rumoured for 2015.
Nevermind, they've come out and officially denied it since then. Thank God.
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Phew.


#64

fade

fade

I haven't seen Rango because my wife and kids went without me and were bored to tears by it.


#65

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

fade said:
I haven't seen Rango because my wife and kids went without me and were bored to tears by it.
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I can definitely understand that.
It's not a kids' movie. It's kid friendly in that it isn't offensive, but it is definitely not a kids' movie.
It starts with like a 15minute homage to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, and the rest of the film is one giant love letter to Once Upon a Time in the West, The Good the Bad and the Ugly, Fistful of Dollars, etc.
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fade said:
The official trailer for Monster's University is also out.
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And it looks baaaaaaaaad. But I thought the same of the first teasers for Toy Story 3 and that one was probably my favourite animated film ever. Definitely my favourite CG film. So I'm still hopeful.


#66

PatrThom

PatrThom

Rango has been sitting on my bookcase for about the past 2 months. We just finally finished Horton Hears a Who tonight. It is a very silly movie.

--Patrick


#67

ElJuski

ElJuski

I thought the trailer for Brave was pretty muddled and meh, too. And it looks like, from what I'm hearing, is that its biggest flaw is that at worst the movie doesn't know what its doing, either, though overall, as usual, the end result is positive. I'll probably check this one out when it hits Netflix Instant.


#68

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

LittleSin said:
Any ways, the whole corset thing in Braves trailer really annoys me.
I think I'm the only one this bothers.
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You know why it bothers me? Because it is over-done. How many period piece movies show a woman being tied into a corset whether it's for comedic value or as a symbol of oppression or because zOMG it's a woman in her knickers? Cut me a damn break.


#69

WasabiPoptart

WasabiPoptart

My bigger problem with the movie is how it comes across as being about a young girl's ability to change her destiny by standing up for herself and eventually being accepted for who she is. Instead it looks to me like the lesson here is running away from your problems and asking someone else to make things go the way you want is fine if you're a girl. I think I'll pass on this one.


#70

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

WasabiPoptart said:
How many period piece movies show a woman being tied into a corset whether it's for comedic value or as a symbol of oppression or because zOMG it's a woman in her knickers?
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#71

fade

fade

The only fair way to solve this is for LittleSin and Wasabi to put on corsets and post pictures.


#72

Dei

Dei

WasabiPoptart said:
My bigger problem with the movie is how it comes across as being about a young girl's ability to change her destiny by standing up for herself and eventually being accepted for who she is. Instead it looks to me like the lesson here is running away from your problems and asking someone else to make things go the way you want is fine if you're a girl. I think I'll pass on this one.
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Actually running away from her problems and asking someone else to fix it made all her problems worse. So I don't think that's really the message.


#73

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Reviews seem pretty mixed so far. I'm definitely going to be seeing it, but all in all people seem to say it's just not up to Pixar's standards (though at least it's not as bad as Cars 2, I guess?).


#74

klew

klew

Yes, better than Cars 2, I'd put it in the upper half of the Pixar oeuvre (though I'm not a fan of the Toy Story films). It didn't seem as fresh a take on fairy tales as some of their other, more loved, original films.


#75

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

klew said:
Yes, better than Cars 2, I'd put it in the upper half of the Pixar oeuvre (though I'm not a fan of the Toy Story films). It didn't seem as fresh a take on fairy tales as some of their other, more loved, original films.
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#76

fade

fade

I'm with klew. Toy Story was watchable, but pretty bland.


#77

ElJuski

ElJuski

I think I'm more attached to the Toy Story movies just because I grew up with them. Toy Story 3 really did choke me up, though.

And, to be honest, I don't pray at the altar of Pixar, either--though I do recognize they've got some serious talents with art and emotional moments. The first bit of Up gets me every time.


#78

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

This was dazzling, beautiful, and impressive in every way.


#79



Soliloquy

I preferred the 2nd Toy Story to the first, honestly.


#80

ElJuski

ElJuski

Charlie Don't Surf said:
This was dazzling, beautiful, and impressive in every way.
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I know, pretty slick thread.


#81

blotsfan

blotsfan

I don't see how anyone could not like Toy Story.
On the other hand, I was of that group that was Andy's age when every movie came out, so I might hold it closer than others. I cried my eyes out during the third one.


#82

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

blotsfan said:
I don't see how anyone could not like Toy Story.
On the other hand, I was of that group that was Andy's age when every movie came out, so I might hold it closer than others. I cried my eyes out during the third one.
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Same. Well, a little older than Andy, but still close enough in age that it all got to me. The third one choked me up in so many scenes. When I watched it in theatres with my friends we were all tearing up. One of my friends didn't get a chance to see it until later though. I got it on DVD and had already watched it twice, but he hadn't seen it yet, so we put it on. My other roommate came in like 2minutes into the movie and was like "Oh, we're doing this? Alright." And sat down.
Cut to the garbage disposal scene. I know what's coming up but I'm holding it in, my one roommate knows what's coming but he's holding it in. We both hear a loud sniffle and turn to see our friend who hadn't seen it before removing his glasses to wipe the tears out of his eyes, and both of us breathed a sigh of relief. Three 20-sometihng year old guys, just crying our eyes out in the dark to the rest of the movie.


#83

PatrThom

PatrThom

For those who care about such things:



--Patrick


#84

filmfanatic

filmfanatic

I saw Brave recently. I thought it was alright. The animation was great and the story is good, but there was something off in the execution of it. Like Pixar was trying to tell a Disney fairy tale movie, but didn't capture the magic and charm of those movies.


#85

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Saw Brave yesterday, good movie. I just wished the triplets could talk.


#86

Cajungal

Cajungal

Oh man, I loved it. Love love loved it. Not only was it charming and touching, but it was gorgeous! Also it was fun to see a movie about a princess who doesn't get a guy at the end. The king was my favorite. He reminded me of Jake.


#87

D

Dubyamn

LittleSin said:
Point 1: This is a teenaged girl who is rebelling. Her mother has to force her to wear proper support for decency, really. I wanted to wear skirts well above my knee to school when I 16...my father forced me to dress decently. I resented him for it but looking back on it I understand it.

Point 2: I assume the mother wears a corset as well, so she should know how to tie it comfortably. Instead she ties it up as tight as possible and declares it "perfect". It would have been perfect a if it was a few notches looser as well and any woman that has worn a corset can you that!

It's lazy writing. They just didn't have a better way to say "Look! Oppression!"
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Edit: I want to make it clear this my only problem thus far. I'm not a hardcore feminist and i haven't seen the entire movie. I just had to roll my eyes at this scene. It was pulled off better in Pirates of the Caribbean. At least in that movie the garment was unfamiliar to Elizabeth Swann and her servants.
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In the movie I'm pretty sure that the princess was playing up her uncomfort and over tightening of the corset because she is a child being forced to wear something that she doesn't like and the mother tied it snug but not overly tight

You know cause she spends the rest of the movie in it running, shooting arrows, sleeping and jumping without any problems.


#88

Cajungal

Cajungal

I didn't see a corset rip. She said "curse this dress" and ripped it at the seams. She was stuffed into the dress like an adorable red-haired sausage.


#89

Sara_2814

Sara_2814

I concur with Cajungal. This movie was awesome. And refreshing. Merida wasn't a girl aspiring to be a boy (as many "tomboy" characters are often portrayed). Her mother wasn't portrayed as controlling and mean, but as someone who thought she was doing her best and trying to uphold tradition and she was sympathetic for the situation her daughter was in. The thing with the corset and dress, I think, was really more about having to be "prim and proper" than having to wear "girl's clothes", because I think there was actually more focus on having her wild hair tamed by the wimple (she kept reaching up and releasing a curl from it). I think the mother-daughter relationship and how it evolved was handled beautifully. The environments were amazing, especially the rivers. Gorgeous movie. Great characters.


#90

Silent Bob

Silent Bob

I saw this on Saturday with my spawnling. Was it my favorite Pixar movie? No. Finding Nemo and Up still hold that position. I'd rank it just slightly under Monsters Inc. The visuals were breathtaking (especially in IMAX 3-D).


#91

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

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#92

GasBandit

GasBandit

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That's not a wig, is it? Tell me that's not a wig. I don't care if it's $50 worth of hair dye and 3 hours with a curling iron every morning, if it's not a wig..... homina.


#93

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

That is not a wig.


#94

GasBandit

GasBandit

HCGLNS said:
That is not a wig.
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#95

PatrThom

PatrThom

I'm just amazed at how much she looks the part.

--Patrick


#96

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

It's Friday, I'm in love.


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