He went by Beast Boy from 1965 to 1980 (15 years, though he admittedly saw use sparingly during that period) and from 2000-present. That's 27 years and counting. He went by Changeling from 1980 to 2000, twenty years. Of course, he saw a lot more regular use during his 20 years as Changeling than he did during his first 15 years as Beast Boy.
[Comics] DC's new 52 (Comics; Nick, help!)
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Okay I can probably deal with Beast Boy/Changeling's redness since his origin is still intact. Its still extremely weird to me though. Gar is still silly in the new comic at least right?
Edit: Man he has quite a few nick-names doesn't he?
Edit: Man he has quite a few nick-names doesn't he?
This is somewhat unrelated, but I didn't feel like making a whole new thread for this:
The Unwritten, one of my favourite comic book series, will soon feature characters from another Vertigo title: Fables. Yeah, a crossover.
This honestly bothers me. The reason I pick up Vertigo titles or self-contained titles is because it's one creative team with (usually) an end in mind. Which is why I dropped Fables long ago. It started turning from this great series into a franchise, with spin-off titles and, ugh, crossovers. I shouldn't have to go from Volume 12 to Volume 13 of Fables and require reading Volume whatever of Spin Off Title #3.
Unwritten's writer, Mike Carey, has stated his has an end goal in mind for the series. And it's really one of the best books out there (like Fables once was). But if it's going to require knowledge of current events in Fables? I'm out. I'm done. I'll sell my copies of Unwritten and say fuck it.
The Unwritten, one of my favourite comic book series, will soon feature characters from another Vertigo title: Fables. Yeah, a crossover.
This honestly bothers me. The reason I pick up Vertigo titles or self-contained titles is because it's one creative team with (usually) an end in mind. Which is why I dropped Fables long ago. It started turning from this great series into a franchise, with spin-off titles and, ugh, crossovers. I shouldn't have to go from Volume 12 to Volume 13 of Fables and require reading Volume whatever of Spin Off Title #3.
Unwritten's writer, Mike Carey, has stated his has an end goal in mind for the series. And it's really one of the best books out there (like Fables once was). But if it's going to require knowledge of current events in Fables? I'm out. I'm done. I'll sell my copies of Unwritten and say fuck it.
Superman's lack of red shorts...I feel neutral towards it. It doesn't take away from his image as a hero, but it doesn't add anything either. Honestly I can go either way.
The Great Fables crossover soured me on the series.
How was the first Justice League comic from the new Reboot? I heard mixed reviews.
The first arc was pretty so-so (felt kind of rushed) but the Villain's Journey was pretty good...though come to think of it, the ending felt a little rushed on that one too. So mostly so-so, but the Shazam back-up is great (in my opinion).
Good to know. By the way, is Captain Marvel really just called Shazam now? That I find really really weird.
Edit: I mean Black Adam uses Shazam. Mary Marvel used Shazam. Are they Shazam now too? Its just weird to me.
He's called Shazam now, because he's more explicitly the wizard's replacement as protector of Earth. And because DC will never get the trademark to "Captain Marvel" back from Marvel and they are therefore legally obligated to title/advertise anything the character stars in (comics, tv, movies, video games, anything) "Shazam" anyway. May as well call the character by a name they can advertise.
....seriously? Captain Marvel has been called Captain Marvel for over 60 years and NOW Marvel is pulling the plug.
And I just looked at what Captain Marvel looks like now...what the fuck? Why does he look like Altair ? Not just the cloak but the stoic face he's giving. I admit to not being that knowledgeable of Captain Marvel but from what I remember he was a nice smiley man. Reboots are fucking weird.
Marvel has the entirety of the Disney legal team behind them. DC only has the Warner Bros.
DC's been doing this off and on ever since they bought the company that owned him. They'll do Captain Marvel for awhile, then shift over to Shazam, then switch back after a few years. It never sticks because the fans don't like it, the writers don't like it, and it usually ends up causing more problems by confusing the people who actually read the fucking comic.
And DC needs to get off their ass and give Captain Marvel a kid-friendly movie or TV show.
DAMN STRAIGHT! Its about a kid who can magically turn into an adult super-hero, kids would love that!
Kids HAVE loved that. Captain Marvel used to sell more issues than Superman. In the Golden Age. Elvis Presley stole his hair and wore it like that for years. By all rights and privileges Captain Marvel should still be as well known as Superman, but Marvel basically put the kibosh on that and prevented DC from properly using the character for decades.
....Elvis ripped off his hair cut? ELVIS?! So thanks to Marvel, a beloved pop-culture icon was dashed for ripping of a name that he had years before them. I. Fucking. Hate. CORPORATIONS!
Actually, the current change in his name is story specific. (assuming that Day of Vengence is still valid in the reboot universe)
Shazam (the godlike mage who gave Captain Marvel his powers) was killed by the Spectre. Billy Batson had to become the new Shazam to ensure that the lineage of magical protectors continued. Mary Marvel is still Mary Marvel (or at least she was prior to the reboot and GOD, please tell me if they retconned all this crap that they undid all the shit they did with her through Infinite Crisis), Captain Marvel Jr is still Captain Marvel Jr, etc...
Again, this is based of the original continuity, as stated before I haven't followed jack since the reboot.
Eh, just wiki'd the new Captain Marvel post reboot and he got completely reset, so apparently none of that stuff happened.
This is another reason that the reboot pisses me off. Some of the best work DC comics had done in decades is just down the drain. Almost everything surrounding 52 was just great, IMO. Hell, they managed to make freakin' Catman and Ragdoll into compelling characters.
All that... GONE.
Yeah, man, fuck the reboot and fuck DC.
Shazam (the godlike mage who gave Captain Marvel his powers) was killed by the Spectre. Billy Batson had to become the new Shazam to ensure that the lineage of magical protectors continued. Mary Marvel is still Mary Marvel (or at least she was prior to the reboot and GOD, please tell me if they retconned all this crap that they undid all the shit they did with her through Infinite Crisis), Captain Marvel Jr is still Captain Marvel Jr, etc...
Again, this is based of the original continuity, as stated before I haven't followed jack since the reboot.
Eh, just wiki'd the new Captain Marvel post reboot and he got completely reset, so apparently none of that stuff happened.
This is another reason that the reboot pisses me off. Some of the best work DC comics had done in decades is just down the drain. Almost everything surrounding 52 was just great, IMO. Hell, they managed to make freakin' Catman and Ragdoll into compelling characters.
All that... GONE.
Yeah, man, fuck the reboot and fuck DC.
Well it was actually Captain Marvel Jr., but the point still stands.
Really, you only need to look at the two side-by-side to see the resemblance.
I don't know, DC kinda fucked things up on their end too, i mean Bats stars in Detective Comics and Supes in Action Comics, why they didn't just make an X Comics for Captain Marvel always puzzled me, would have avoided the I Am Not Shazam thing easily that way.
Then again DC at the time was still obsessed with Superman having to be #1 at everything, and it always felt like they didn't really want Captain Marvel to regain the success it had in the Golden Age.[DOUBLEPOST=1350127150][/DOUBLEPOST]
That actually doesn't really matter, what matters is that Marvel keeps using the Cpt. Marvel on a book every time the trademark is getting close to expiring, which is why atm there's no Ms. Marvel running around, but Carol has her own book.
No, that plug was pulled forty-five years ago, when Captain Mar-Vell debuted. There's been at least a one-shot or mini starring one of their Captains Marvel every few years ever since. When DC did revive the original character, it was in a comic entitled "Shazam!". When the character got a TV show in the seventies, it was "Shazam!". DC holds the copyright to their version of the character, they can still call him Captain Marvel, there's nothing new here on Marvel's part. DC is simply tired of having a character whose name they can't use to promote him.
Keep in mind, Captain Marvel had been out of publication for fifteen years when Marvel introduced their version. It's not like they did anything underhanded to get the trademark.
Well, they're playing up the "troubled orphan" angle a little more with the reboot, but he's still good hearted and relatively smiley in the actual stories (Billy got the power in Justice League #0, so we've only seen an issue's worth of him as Shazam). At least I think, but my copy is in East Lansing at MSU with my sister right now.
That's a change that should have happened years ago, in my opinion. A Skrull imposter got to use the name before she did.
One thing that has been talked about a billion times is the Batman Catwoman thing. I am okay with them getting together, but did it have to be awful roof-top hate sex? I mean for fucks sake, what is the point of these two being together if they are not in love? Its like in "Titans" when Star Fire and Nightwing did the dance and absolutely nothing happened between them afterwards. Completely pointless.
Didn't it already happen once? I always assumed it did at some point (then again Monica and Phylla where created for the name, so i guess maybe not).
But i disagree, Ms. Marvel just has a nice ring to it...
Only in "House of M".
There will be fifty-two variant covers for Justice League of America #1. Which is the stupidest gorram thing I've heard in a while. On the other hand, both Katanna and Vibe will be getting solo books. Which is both pretty cool (I personally love to see more obscure characters get a chance at a solo series) and kind of stupid. Katanna might have some heat from her recent stint in Birds of Prey and her upcoming appearances in "Beware The Batman!" (she'll be Batman's sidekick there), but Vibe...he's the "joke" of the Justice League Detroit era. I'm skeptical about his revival at all, much less giving him a solo series.
Pfft- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh lord that is the most desperate ploy for money I've heard from a comics company this hour. And whats even funnier is that you know there's gonna be at least a hundred guys who buy every single variant cover. Oh man, its like the 90s are alive and well.
quote="Yoshimickster, post: 997600, member: 1430"]Pfft- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh lord that is the most desperate ploy for money I've heard from a comics company this hour. And whats even funnier is that you know there's gonna be at least a hundred guys who buy every single variant cover. Oh man, its like the 90s are alive and well.[/quote]
Well, yes and no. Unlike most variant covers, retailers can just order as much of each cover as they want. I'm honestly thinking the "big money" will be made on the secondary market, as retailers in each state will likely stock their themed cover in higher quantities than any other. And their rationale actually makes a kind of sense - each cover will represent a state, district, or territory of the USA.
Still stupid.
Well, yes and no. Unlike most variant covers, retailers can just order as much of each cover as they want. I'm honestly thinking the "big money" will be made on the secondary market, as retailers in each state will likely stock their themed cover in higher quantities than any other. And their rationale actually makes a kind of sense - each cover will represent a state, district, or territory of the USA.
Still stupid.
Uh...why is that something so terrible? This is the "second string" team, after all and Catwoman hasn't been a "villain" for at least twenty years now.
....where the hell have you been? She's been an anti-hero for like- YEARS!
A goodly chunk of this Justice League consists of anti-heroes:
Katanna: Currently works with the covert-based Bird of Prey. Has diced up foes with her sword so that her husband, whose soul lives within it, can interrogate them.
Catwoman: We all know she's a thief who frequently does the right thing.
Martian Manhunter: Former member of Stormwatch, a team more than willing to kill if they have to. Attacked and mind-wiped all of his teammates when he decided to quit.
Simon "Green Lantern" Baz: Former car thief and current terrorism suspect (he's innocent of the terrorism - he had the bad luck to boost a van with a bomb in it).
Steve Trevor: Ok, he's not really an anti-hero. He's just a gun toting government agent.
Green Arrow and Hawkman (though I haven't been reading the latter's solo book) are the only played straight costumed heroes on the team. Well, Stargirl and Vibe haven't debuted yet and I can't imagine Courtney Whitmore being an anti-hero. Still, the point stands. This is the anti-hero Justice League. If John Constaine is leading a Justice League, I don't think Catwoman is the step too far.
John Constantine leading a Justice League is the stupidest thing ever and whoever thought it up should be ashamed of themselves. How are he and Zatanna supposed to have magically drugged fueled sex when they have other guys roaming around their place?
Justice League Dark is an awesome series and the sex is well in their past at this point. John kind of accidentally got Zatara killed in the DCnU. That puts a slight damper on any relationship.