Oh and since he expected a low turn out of supplies, his team bought $5,000 in supplies and lined them up on the donation table for photo ops to make it look like the tables were full. Afterwards he forced the Red Cross to break their rules and accept his donations. Fantastic.
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Except the North East is also home to many Blue State strongholds. If enough people can't get out to vote, it could conceivably cost him one of his core states. That would make it much simpler for Romney to win.
I'd be more upset if the Red Cross wasn't staffed by assholes. They routinely try to shut down independent aid operations and are well known for sending people into the ones they can't shutdown to tell reporters it's a Red Cross op. This is on top of them charging people for food at times. I know it's just to support future aid ops but it's still a dick move for disaster victims.
Entire organization is full of glory hounds.
GasBandit
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How dare Romney buy and donate $5000 worth of supplies to the red cross. String em up.[DOUBLEPOST=1351712590][/DOUBLEPOST]
Only New Hampshire could possibly have this scenario, and they're not exactly New York.
Right, he'll lose the popular election because of all the Blue States that got hit, but still carry those states.
Because it really screws with their logistics.
Well I can say that if the entirety of NYC didn't vote there's a reasonable chance NY could swing red. Somehow I don't find that likely. (I know that the Western part of the state is pretty red, I enjoy pointing out to my family that it doesn't matter who they vote for, they are still going to be voting for Obama
)Not necessarily. They don't even have to use them for this disaster (though I suspect they will because they'll need to).
Besides, a lot of SOPs go out the window during a disaster, and the Red Cross is nimble enough to be able to manage out of stream donations of sufficient size.
The problem is when a lot of little donations from a lot of little sources come into the Red Cross.
But a big donation from a single source poses a much smaller problem for logistics.
Not that it matters. You are convinced that the Romney campaign is actively hurting and hampering the Red Cross relief efforts, and I feel differently.
Where the hell did I say anything about Romney hurting the Red Cross. You asked why the RC would not take hand-me-downs and I gave you the reason.
Someone else implied that Romney was grandstanding, and he likely was.
Someone else implied that Romney was grandstanding, and he likely was.
Cute. However, missing the point entirely.
I don't feel that Romney specifically went out of his way to hamper the Red Cross relief efforts, but I do know that the Red Cross was specifically asking - before he started his relief rally, during the rally, and after the rally - that people not donate goods, which they didn't have the distribution channels set up for at that point, and instead donate money. That being said, people love canned food/clothing/etc. drives, because they feel like they're really helping out, and because it lets them get rid of stuff that they already have around the house, in a lot of cases. The amount of cans and boxes of food I collected during my scouting career, and the amount of clothing we were always able to round up whenever my (former) gaming org used to hold clothing drives are proof enough of that. I can't honestly say that I'm the least bit upset that Romney's campaign allowed people not affected by the storm to feel like they were doing something to help those that were. And besides, the Red Cross is a massive organization, with enough employees and volunteers that I'm sure they had some group of people who could unload a truck full of donations; and even if they couldn't use them right that moment, there'll come a time when they can, or they'll get them to someone else who can use them.
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Good friend of mine is a Red Cross admin. Could you please show some references for this?
Also, along the same lines:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/soup-kitchen-paul-ryan-photo-donor_n_1980541.html
Kind of a sad story here. (Although Fark has rallied behind this soup kitchen to help raise money.)
GasBandit
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Yeah, I know, the point is that Romney is a horrible monster who eats babies.
Not string them up, just shows how utterly retarded Romney is when it comes to actually being prepared and doing things the right way. If he had held a blood drive, that would have been MUCH better and hell, he would have looked like a saint. Instead he bought a photo op, much like the Ryan clean-pots photo op.
If he held a blood drive people would complain about him taking Red Cross volunteers away from the relief effort.
In fact, there's nothing he could have done that wouldn't be interpretted as a bad move by someone somewhere.
We're going to see a number of reports regarding obamas and FEMA missteps soon enough anyway, whether they exist or are bad or not. You can make political hay out of just about anything.
In fact, there's nothing he could have done that wouldn't be interpretted as a bad move by someone somewhere.
We're going to see a number of reports regarding obamas and FEMA missteps soon enough anyway, whether they exist or are bad or not. You can make political hay out of just about anything.
Sounds like the Corrupt Wishes forum game.
Well, seeing as compared to the average american's income, that was like throwing a quarter to a bum, it seems somewhat hollow.
If he had donated a million dollars to the Red Cross, I'd have complimented him for throwing money at a problem that can really only be solved by throwing money at it. That's what the rich are SUPPOSED to do.
Instead, he only payed for enough stuff to fit into the photo op then demanded they take it.
Completely wrong.
If he had donated a REAL amount, without making it a Political Rally and photo OP I'd have gladly given him props. If Ryan had actually volunteered at a homeless shelter instead of washing clean dishes after everyone left and after forcing his way in after being told no, I'd have given him props. Romney has yet to do anything positive for any reason other than to try and look good. The bigger problem is he's bad at hiding the fact that he's faking it.
Probably? I don't think it would have had legs, though. Most of the time when someone makes a stupid complaint about something someone else does that doesn't really deserve criticism, they get the stink eye from others from 'their side'. There's a lot of people in the middle (people who aren't those of us here who follow politics fairly closely) who shake their heads at the nitpicky criticisms out there.
Romney didn't do anything to hurt the effort, but he sure as hell did nothing to help anyone but himself.
Look, there's no food shortage here, we have warehouses of water and canned goods for miles. What there is are food distribution and storage problems because of all the roads still trashed and all the power still out and all the trains still wrecked and the general flood damage and all the houses that have been too damaged to live in or just outright destroyed.
And then there's shit like this to deal with:
That's a 200-ft-long 700 ton cargo ship just hanging out on what used to be a major sea-side road.
We don't need food and water from out of state, we need money and equipment and disaster expertise.
Look, there's no food shortage here, we have warehouses of water and canned goods for miles. What there is are food distribution and storage problems because of all the roads still trashed and all the power still out and all the trains still wrecked and the general flood damage and all the houses that have been too damaged to live in or just outright destroyed.
And then there's shit like this to deal with:
That's a 200-ft-long 700 ton cargo ship just hanging out on what used to be a major sea-side road.
We don't need food and water from out of state, we need money and equipment and disaster expertise.
Or you know, get federal funding there as quickly as possible for those machines/workforce to help. Oh wait no, we're downing on Obama, all he can do is look around.
Actually the most important thing that got done happened in the first 24 hours after the storm.
The President called Christie, Cuomo, and Bloomberg and asked, "what do you need?"
All three of them said, "Money to fuel our National guard units, rent heavy-duty construction equipment, pay to get disaster experts who understand how to coordinate all the different OEMs in the area actually in the area, repair roads, and fuel supply trucks without bankrupting our state/city's ability to deliver on social/public services for years. Oh, and please cut orders for the Army Corps of Engineers to show up and help us drain all our submerged tunnels because that's not something we regularly do."
And the President said, "You got it."
I'm not coming down on Romney for not being able to do anything. He's not currently President. If he had stuck to a simple heartfelt statement and encouraged Americans to donate money to the Red Cross or any area-based relief organization, I would have said he had done all he could and well done on him.
But pretending like he was, for a photo op? Come the fuck on.
You believe they would do this?
Nope, it's called exaggeration.
GasBandit
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The term you are looking for, I believe, is hyperbole.
No, I mean he really does things that no sane person would do, even in the case of helping someone, for the pure purpose of a photo op, then leaving without ever helping the individual to a real extent. The dying kid comment is an exaggeration on that point.
GasBandit
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... which is the very definition of hyperbole. Exaggeration to illustrate a point.
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