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I wonder how many gimmick characters turned into good characters once placed in good hands and developed well?
In comics, none. Particularly with a character in the big two, if only one person can write a character well, they're not a good character.
figmentPez
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Both of these happened.
Flash won over Quicksilver, pretty easily too. They had to throw in the Flash stopping to rescue people in order to even give Quicksilver a chance (Flash's top speed at the time was nearly the speed of light, Quicksilver topped out at the speed of sound.)
Wolverine took down Lobo, but most of the fight took place off-screen behind a bar. It was a really lame fight.
Granted, I think both of those were decided by fan voting, but I'm not sure.
Not the comic medium, but Mr Freeze was a throwaway gimmick character until Batman TAS.
figmentPez
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Not a Deadpool fan, I take it?
It's strongly implied that Wolverine just bought off Lobo and then Lobo took a dive.
Did you mean Sentry? If so, he wasn't all bad.
Yeah!
Of course, it's Marvel, sooooo....
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
....Cletus has robot legs now? I'm not sure if that is weird, or just plain dumb.
Now against the Savage Hulk yes Supes would win fan-votes or not. While Hulk is super strong and full of gamma radiation(one of Superman's few weaknesses ) Superman would still be smarter and able to win as long as he would keep his distance from the Hulk's body. Now the Green Scar on the other hand, Supes is freaking done for. Dude was a military genius, ace combattant, and even the Sentry quite arguably the most powerful and dangerous Marvel super couldn't beat him. It took a freakin' Laser ex machina from Tony Stark ( or someone else I don't care) in order to take him out for fucks sake! Combine this with the fact that to Superman he's basically a walking ball of Kryptonite ol' Clark wouldn't stand a chance. Nowadays the fight would be all conditional.
Now I can buy Pietro losing back then, but if he fought the Flash as he is now it would be an entirely different fight. The dude can time-travel and what-not now.
Now against the Savage Hulk yes Supes would win fan-votes or not. While Hulk is super strong and full of gamma radiation(one of Superman's few weaknesses ) Superman would still be smarter and able to win as long as he would keep his distance from the Hulk's body. Now the Green Scar on the other hand, Supes is freaking done for. Dude was a military genius, ace combattant, and even the Sentry quite arguably the most powerful and dangerous Marvel super couldn't beat him. It took a freakin' Laser ex machina from Tony Stark ( or someone else I don't care) in order to take him out for fucks sake! Combine this with the fact that to Superman he's basically a walking ball of Kryptonite ol' Clark wouldn't stand a chance. Nowadays the fight would be all conditional.
In that picture, he's talking to his Symbiote that appears to be in some sort of containment unit. So, the legs make sense, stupid as it may be in concept.
Weird. Also, what is up with Cletus's art change? Why did he change from looking all crazy evil to looking like some Stoned body builder surfer looking guy? He doesn't look right.
EXACTLY! That is how I've always seen Cletus Cassidy, from the cartoon to the comics. I can see him being muscular(though still a stretch) but why did they change his face? And considering thats how he looks- WITHOUT the Carnage symbiote makes even less sense! Without the symbiote he should revert to his crazy face. I can deal with costume changes, but this is just too much.
That's Clayton Crane's art I think. While some of his stuff can look stunning, sometimes he doesn't quite nail what a character should look like. For example, he drew the most terrifying Archangel I've ever seen (after them anti-mutant folks drew out the Apocalypsian Death personality from him) early on in the last run of X-Force I read.
...why does Archangel look like he wants to eat me? Is he evil now? Or is he an anti-hero? I'm not that much up on X-men.
North_Ranger
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If I may interject... My knowledge of Marvel and DC characters is fairly limited, since I don't actually read any of the comics, and we get the cartoons here at a delay if at all. But I think Dr Fate would be a more appropriate opponent for Dr Strange. Both are reclusive mystics wielding arcane powers and facing extradimensional horrors on a daily basis.
If you wanted to go with similarity yes, if you wanted to go with popular magic users, Zatanna would be a better choice. In fact Zatara is about a poor of a choice as John Constantine.
That was DC vs Marvel and most of the fight outcomes were decided by fan votes.
Matchups not decided by fans were (winners in bold):
Aquaman vs Namor
Electra vs Catwoman
Flash vs Quicksilver
Robin vs Jubilee
Silver Surfer vs Green Lantern
Thor vs Captain Marvel
Fights decided by fan vote:
Batman vs Captain America
Spider-Man vs Superboy
Wolverine vs Lobo
Storm vs Wonder Woman
Superman vs Hulk
The fan voted ones were no surprise, with the exception of Storm, but really, it was around the time that the X-Men cartoon had wrapped up, so not as much of a surprise taking that into account.
Those were the ones focused on, but there were also other fights, such as Thanos vs Darkseid, Venom vs The Joker, but they were in the background with some not even having clear winners.
North_Ranger Oooooooh, that would be a better fight! I bet Fate would win, he cool.
Actually in the Amalgam universe, which was the series following DC vs Marvel, the two universes merged together creating a new universe that had mashups of characters from both universes. One of the characters was Dr. Strangefate.
They all ran for one issue. The Metal Men were mashed with the X-Men, Batman with Wolverine, Superboy with Spiderman, Daredevil with Catwoman. I think there may be trades, I'd say check it out, at least for the insanity of it all.
Oh right the Amalgam universe! I forgot all about that! Mostly due to...the weirdness of it all.
To this day I can't believe that "Lobo the duck" is a thing.
To this day I can't believe that "Lobo the duck" is a thing.
Yeah, does his second sight help him see through those needlessly small eye holes?
Aquaman I can understand.
I'll give Electra this one, she's definitely better trained.
Flash is a non-contest.
Robin also much better training.
This is where I start disagreeing:
There's no way Surfer could take on a Green Lantern. The power level difference is immense.
Spider-Man over Superboy? That was a joke correct?
Wolverine vs Lobo we already agreed on.
Storm vs Wonder Woman? Ha! Right.....
Superman Vs Hulk, I always felt this one would be a stand-still.
I agree Thor would best Marvel as well as Batman having an upperhand on Captain though.
In what backwards universe do you live in where a wannabe like Aquaman would last more then 5 seconds against Namor "I killed people in my 1st appearance and didn't even care to check if they where people first" the Submariner?
Are we talking about the same "Herald of Galactus, can use his power cosmic to stop the Hulk" Silver Surfer? Because GL is the one that would be pretty outmatched.
It's funny to me because at least Aquaman has a chance, but he loses because Namor is more vicious/badass, but you're actually implying that a GL ring is more powerful then Galactus (and it's Power Cosmic)...
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