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figmentPez
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I think that's the image you were trying to link.Shegokigo said:
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Can't blame him for speaking the second language.Jake said:
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Chibibar
I have been flamed for not being clear or people not understanding or getting what I'm trying to say.Twitch said:
I'm just covering my butt and try to be clear as much as possible.
juski just wants to look at your butt uncovered
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It is gonna cost himAllen said:
North_Ranger
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Well, glad to know there's people more fucked-up relationships-wise than yours truly.
Well, glad to know there's people more fucked-up relationships-wise than yours truly.
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Way to go for an established news paper to hit an all time low
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I like to think I'm accepting of "alternative" lifestyles... I'm never really bothered by people who are what others call deviants unless something/someone innocent gets hurt by it (the reason I've never really been squicked out by furries like others are). If this dude, and other dudes like him, want to love characters and the pillows that represent them, that's their business (I'll admit I went through an "in love with a fictional character" phase... but that was when I was like 13/14). But what I DO find creepy about this particular dude is that he nicknamed himself "Nisan," as in "oniisan" the nickname for "big brother" (which is does point out in the article). For some reason that is creepy to me. I guess I'm not as accepting as I like to think I am...
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I'm going with "There's alternative lifestyles, and there's personality disorders." I'm thinking this is the result of a personality disorder. If you actually believe that you can be "in love" with a fictional character and have a full relationship with them. Then you have a problem relating to people and you need some kind of help. This man is obviously extremely lonely and seems to be to insecure to attempt a normal relationship. This is a very disturbing trend, if not for its very nature, then for it is a sign of.Lally said:
figmentPez
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This guy has developed an imaginary, sexual, relationship with his idealized version of a 10 - 12 year-old girl. What happens if his delusion slips from an attachment to a pillow to a real child?Lally said:
I thought they meant the pillow was 10-12 years old.figmentPez said:
Looking at the wiki, it appears that the character is actually 14-15. Which is still pretty bad.
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You can call me just as delusional as him, and I have no evidence whatsoever to support how I feel, but I just don't think that is the case with these "2-D lover" guys. I can't speak for everyone, but I'd be willing to bet that almost everyone has some sort of erotic fantasy that they would never really act out, for whatever reason, whether it's illegal or they are just too scared to try it. And half of anime girls look like they're ten anyway, the rest of them just have gigantic boobs.figmentPez said:
I might be persuaded to agree that it's a personality disorder or a mental illness (not sure if I feel that way, but I can see where the argument can be made), but I would definitely agree that these must be very lonely people. Like I said above, I genuinely feel that in the vast majority of these guys, they are not going to become predators of real life children (at least, not in any higher proportion than "3-D lovers" do. So, while some might feel it's not good for them to live like this, it's ultimately up to them to decide how they want to live their life and if they want to seek therapy/treatment.chakz said:
I dunno. Even as I type this I'm wondering why I'm defending these guys. I really don't know why I am. I guess I just feel bad for them. They're already messed up enough without everyone piling on them about their weird kinks.
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People do weird stuff. As long as no one gets hurt by it, whatever.
And I like to think I poke fun at furries for (usually) being whiny and self deceiving about it. :moon:
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Additionally: I should have said "as long as no one or no pillows get hurt"
And I like to think I poke fun at furries for (usually) being whiny and self deceiving about it. :moon:
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:23 am --
Additionally: I should have said "as long as no one or no pillows get hurt"
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SeraRelm
I'm not sayin'...
I'm just sayin'.
I'm just sayin'.
figmentPez
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Booed because of their ideals, or because of their actual feelings? While you do bring up a good point, that cartoon is very different from reality, and it is plausible that a person could be so fixated on cartoon that they don't find reality attractive at all, I'm not sure this is necessarily the case in every situation.Shegokigo said:
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While I understand where 2-D lovers are coming from, I'm not as far gone to say this is something acceptable. It isn't and if it turns into something harmful to others, stopped immediately.
Just for those extreme, unsolvable cases, people who will refuse help even if offered to them directly, this might be some sort of solace, a way their mind copes with the idea of a lonely life.
Just for those extreme, unsolvable cases, people who will refuse help even if offered to them directly, this might be some sort of solace, a way their mind copes with the idea of a lonely life.
You know, I can totally understand this guy's feelings. On the scale mentioned in the article, I might be somewhere around a 4.
The human mating dance can be incredibly complicated, and not everyone comes out unscathed. Can't blame a guy for not wanting to go through all that.
Also, now I finally know who's the guy from the motivational poster!
The human mating dance can be incredibly complicated, and not everyone comes out unscathed. Can't blame a guy for not wanting to go through all that.
Also, now I finally know who's the guy from the motivational poster!
This is a fairly pervasive theme in science fiction, but every time I think about it, it's a concept I want to explore more: the idea of people being so satisfied or intrigued by something simulated, that they cease to care about real life.figmentPez said:
My intro to Philosophy class spent several classes discussing 'The Holodeck Problem.' General consensus was, if we all lived in Star Trek, the only time we would leave the holodeck was to protect the holodeck from holodeck-less people who wanted to kill us and take our holodeck.
To get back to the guy we're discussing, he has a deliciously convenient reality. The pillow never wants to do something you don't want to do. The pillow never says no to what you want to do. Other people might ridicule you, but the pillow is ever-faithful. And as one-sided as that is, that sounds like a fairly hollywood version of love if you replace 'the pillow' with 'your soulmate.'
If that's what he's feeling, fake though it is, I'm not sure I can really knock it. After all, I would spend my life on the holodeck too, if I had the power.
especially when you consider his pillow is in love with its older brotherShegokigo said:
That's why he can get away with it and I couldn't. I can't delude myself into thinking that a pillow has feelings, and is actually interacting with me. He can. I find it sad from where I stand, but looking at it from his experience, where this thing isn't just a pillow, he's living the dream.Shegokigo said:
He must find it sad that I can't see the pillow the same way that he does. I have to muck about with the previously mentioned overly-complicated human mating dance.
I sort of envy him in the same way that I envy lifelong welfare-drawing burdens-on-society for their complete lack of shame for being such a burden. Being a fully functional human being is truly a cross to bear, a cross that this 2d lover guy hasn't been given.
Wow, that sounds way more fascist than I intended.
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especially when you consider his pillow is in love with its older brother[/quote:1ny3oala]Allen said:
Well.... even if it is a holodeck, it is not much different than a pillow per se. Both are not real. Reflecting emotion is only emulation, maybe this guy imagination can see, hear, feel the "reflecting emotion" from the pillow too. I don't know. He is happy with his pillow. Let him be.
Wasn't there an episode (dang I can't remember the show, it was a submarine that enter a time portal or some such) where people practically died off cause people were attach to virtual world and play games. It turn out a boy and a girl were fighting each other all along (playing the VR game) which the fight takes place in real life. They had to stop playing and meet each other and hope to rebuilt the human race with other loner/players out there.
I can totally see the holodeck can be a bad thing. I mean even in Star Trek, there was couple of episode of a person hooked on it (Reggie is his name I think)
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