a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016
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The U.S. really needs a proper form of mandatory ID, both so you can stop using your SSN as a private and public key, and so you have a reliable means of identification.
Interestingly enough, almost this exact same circumstance was answered once before by the supreme court.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2008/05/hey_what_about_the_24th.html
Weird how that seems to be mostly forgotten by today's courts.
Yeah, they are openly admitting that they are trying to make it more inconvenient for black people to vote. And it seems to be working. It's disgusting. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ack-voter-turnout_us_5820d82fe4b0e80b02cbc5b2
For the first time in awhile I turned out to early vote, hoping to swing Texas. I have not had confidence in the voting process since Bush and Gore happened, but this election is just too much to sit out. I would rather have a possible low moral politician that will be reined in by advisors and congress, over a man that would abolish our entire system for his own selfish gains if he gets even an inch to move.
I know this is a CRACKED video, but at least watch it for a bit just to see how Trump thinks we should handle foreign policy.
I know this is a CRACKED video, but at least watch it for a bit just to see how Trump thinks we should handle foreign policy.
For many, it's not about corruption. People disliked Hillary long before she did anything wrong, back when she was just the first lady.
They've disliked her so much that she's up against a combo of racist/fascist/suspected child molester and it's still uncertain if she's going to win.
They've disliked her so much that she's up against a combo of racist/fascist/suspected child molester and it's still uncertain if she's going to win.
It's rigged, so they gotta rig it right back.
GasBandit
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She was doing "anything wrong" long before 92.
Necronic
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Like what?
Darn, I already voted for him, as did everyone else on this forum. If only you had posted this before election day. Why did you wait to tell us Trump is bad? WHY DID YOU KEEP IT A SECRET?!!
It's truly amazing how close to sainthood Hillary became them minute Bernie dropped out. I guess I can't blame people for forgetting about things like Whitewater though or that the suicide by Hillary meme is about as old as the web.
But hey no convictions so she's clearly 100% innocent.
But hey no convictions so she's clearly 100% innocent.
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Well, Mother Theresa's a saint now, and she was a hypocritical, backstabbing, lying and conniving b*tch by all accounts, so....
Nasty women get shit done.Well, Mother Theresa's a saint now, and she was a hypocritical, backstabbing, lying and conniving b*tch by all accounts, so....
Necronic
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Are you seriously referencing Vince Foster as a mark against her?
Mother Theresa didn't "get shit done" unless you mean that all her works were literal shit. She was a horrid human being who perpetuated the misery of those around her, and acted as a sink for plenty of donated money that could've done Good.
Hey, I would rather be voting for Bernie, but this is the shithole we're in and I'm gonna do my part in keeping Trump out of the White House.
No need to rush with the Clinton bashing all at once; we'll have four years to spread it out.
No need to rush with the Clinton bashing all at once; we'll have four years to spread it out.
Necronic
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Since people wanted a "reputable" source on voter suppression/intimidation I have one here.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/08/maine-gov-lepage-accused-voter-intimidation.html
I was actually going to spend time and find a whole slew of these (seriously just google it there's a LOT of examples), but it seems the level of discourse at this point is at the "Clinton had Vince Foster murdered" level so I don't see much point.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/08/maine-gov-lepage-accused-voter-intimidation.html
I was actually going to spend time and find a whole slew of these (seriously just google it there's a LOT of examples), but it seems the level of discourse at this point is at the "Clinton had Vince Foster murdered" level so I don't see much point.
GasBandit
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You guys have the shortest memories ever. Whitewater? The Tyson trading deals that basically let her turn $1000 into $100,000 in no time flat? Destruction of evidence? Bill was molesting women even as governor of Arkansas, and she was taking steps to destroy the women. Anyone who is livid over the rape allegations against Trump but gives the Clinton crime family a pass on Juanita Broaddrick is suffering cognitive dissonance of the highest order.
Eh, the evidence doesn't really seem to be there. It definitely smells much more like a smear campaign on that one.
But you Trump supporters, are giving him a pass on the allegations against him, and his attacks on his accusers. Then complain about Hillary defending her husband against unsubstantiated allegations.
So this is just the way to show the hypocrites how vile they are.
GasBandit
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I am not a trump supporter. I just know she's less vile than him only by the slimmest of margins - she's just had more practice at hiding it.[DOUBLEPOST=1478623075,1478623064][/DOUBLEPOST]
"Boom."
A) Even if Bill were exactly as bad as Trump, he's still not the one on the ballot
B) there's plenty of skeletons in HRC's closet, but it's an anthill to the mountain of ballast on Trump's back
C) Even if Trump wasn't potentially/practically criminal, he's immoral, doesn't have leadership skills, doesn't have the temperament, has no vision, and has a host of other issues as to why he shouldn't be leader. His position wrt women alone should be enough to render him unelectable. His position wrt hispanics is borderline illegal. His position wrt Islam is illegal.
B) there's plenty of skeletons in HRC's closet, but it's an anthill to the mountain of ballast on Trump's back
C) Even if Trump wasn't potentially/practically criminal, he's immoral, doesn't have leadership skills, doesn't have the temperament, has no vision, and has a host of other issues as to why he shouldn't be leader. His position wrt women alone should be enough to render him unelectable. His position wrt hispanics is borderline illegal. His position wrt Islam is illegal.
Dave
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That's exactly how the system works.
Huh, must have been a dud.
GasBandit
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A) She's covered for him, she's practically an accessory. And that was just the stuff BEFORE 92. After that, she's got a whole lot more. More evidence tampering/destruction/theft, more lying to investigators, the Clinton foundation is a giant money laundering scheme, and her entire political career is based on a backroom deal.
B) No, they're at the point where it's arguing the difference between Everest and Kilimanjaro. Both'll kill us.
C) Clinton also has no leadership skills, is just as criminal and immoral, definitely doesn't have the temperament, her only vision is self aggrandizement, and has a host of other issues why she shouldn't be leader.[DOUBLEPOST=1478624129,1478624104][/DOUBLEPOST]
Or fails to work, as we often see.
No. The options are as follow, as I understand them:
- No presumption of innocence:
- Guilty (with varying standards of proof as set by the legislative statutes, judicial dictums, and plea options).
- Legal presumption of innocence:
- Not Guilty (see above)
- Litigation/trial in process.
- Grand jury/investigation in process.
- Default status/catch-all for everyone and everything else.
- Social presumption of innocence:
- While generally considered good form and virtuous, almost never afforded in cases where it would actually make a difference.
- Afforded bona-fide legal innocence:
- 'Actual Innocence' verdicts as returned by courts in states where the appropriate statutes are in place.
- Usually a vacated sentence for a previous crime, if the exoneration is appropriately worded.
- Afforded bona-fide social innocence:
- (This space intentionally left blank.)
Necronic
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The funny thing about all these tired old things people keep bringing up like whitewater is this idea that "if only there had been a *real* investigation then the truth would have come out"
The Republican Party took everything they possibly could, pulled every trick they could, to nail this family, and failed every single time.
So yeah, her repeated acquittals in the face of overwhelming political firepower actually does make me think there may be some truth in their innocence. It's either that or the Republican Party is more incompetent than Barnie Fife.
With some of you it's not "innocent until proven guilty". It's not even "guilty when proven innocent".
It's "guilty because I think it's guilty".
And you expect us to engage in a discussion when that's your argument?
But hey. Fuck it. I'll play along. Let's just say they were actually able to pull off all these clever heists without ever getting caught while under immense scrutiny.
Compare that to the competition. Even under the most simple investigation blatant crimes start falling out of his pockets like spaghetti. In the absolute worst case scenario you have team "Tomas Crown Affair" vs "World Star Hip Hop: Teen tries smash and grab but then falls down".
The Republican Party took everything they possibly could, pulled every trick they could, to nail this family, and failed every single time.
So yeah, her repeated acquittals in the face of overwhelming political firepower actually does make me think there may be some truth in their innocence. It's either that or the Republican Party is more incompetent than Barnie Fife.
With some of you it's not "innocent until proven guilty". It's not even "guilty when proven innocent".
It's "guilty because I think it's guilty".
And you expect us to engage in a discussion when that's your argument?
But hey. Fuck it. I'll play along. Let's just say they were actually able to pull off all these clever heists without ever getting caught while under immense scrutiny.
Compare that to the competition. Even under the most simple investigation blatant crimes start falling out of his pockets like spaghetti. In the absolute worst case scenario you have team "Tomas Crown Affair" vs "World Star Hip Hop: Teen tries smash and grab but then falls down".
"It must be true because I heard a good story along those lines."
EDIT: NVM, video embed got real unhappy.
Was trying to link the South Park Obama/McCain heist episode.