Well, the fact that Donald Trump won after the voter restriction laws were put in place just proves that they're helping to stop the rigging. And really, the current laws they've put in place are built on a platform of hating riggers.
a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016
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And I get to be a part of it.
Think instead of taking a Facebook hiatus, I'll give myself an early Christmas present and delete my account. Again.
Okay, so on one side, I get and agree with the point here. Voter ID laws (as currently implemented) are bad. On the other hand, to quote @Denbrought from an unrelated post a while ago,
I'm not looking forward to living under our soon-to-be corporate overlords. As if corporations don't already have enough influence over the individual.
--Patrick
Net Neutrality is going to be gone, day 1. By day 2, I assume we're all going to have to change our names to whatever corporation has been given dominion over us.
GasBandit
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Not only that, but I also gotta be the guy to point out that in a climate where voter ID laws have been loudly publicized in the news and other media, people waited until ELECTION DAY to try to get an ID, and then tried to vote with an EXPIRED ID, and then decided if their wife didn't have proper ID well then "screw it I won't vote either?" How is that productive or responsible?
The US is not the only country that has voter ID laws. In fact, it's the only North American country where it's even controversial. Canada and Mexico both require photo ID to vote.
Here's a list of other countries I just copypasta'd from wikipedia, too.
- Belgium
- Brazil
- Canada
- China
- Estonia
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- India
- Ireland
- Italy
- Malta
- Mexico
- South Africa
- Spain
- Sweden
- Switzerland
Literally almost every facet of adult life in the United States already requires photo ID. It's time to get over it.
I'll accept it when they make getting an ID free and prevent the government from just closing all of the ID places down that are in black neighborhoods.
And in all of those countries, as far as I can tell, there's a mandatory and/or free photo ID issued by the state to any and all citizens. I can't go vote with my driver's license, I have to use my ID card....But literally every citizen, including homeless elderly handicapped people, has an ID card.
Every time I read about Trump's next appointment to his cabinet, all I can think is:
It's like he made a list of the most detested politicians of the last 10-20 years and are giving them positions out of spite. I wasn't a fan of Dubya, but at least SOME of his cabinet assignments made sense.
It's like he made a list of the most detested politicians of the last 10-20 years and are giving them positions out of spite. I wasn't a fan of Dubya, but at least SOME of his cabinet assignments made sense.
I can't speak for the rest of the countries on that list, but using Spain to advance U.S. voter ID laws is pretty bad because:
- The ID required to vote is mandatory. Everyone has one, like an SSN (but, y'know, it's not big deal for people to know yours).
- You do not have to register to vote. Are you on the census? You're good.
This is what I get for not refreshing.
I have never been required to show ID. Ever.
GasBandit
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Eriol's told me he does. /shrug[DOUBLEPOST=1478819980,1478819769][/DOUBLEPOST]
As I said, I just copypasted that list out of wikipedia under its list of "countries that require photo ID to vote." I don't know the nuances from country to country.
I am annoyed at anyone who is complaining about Trump getting elected, and then talking about hanging on for four years. What all of these people should really be doing is working on getting people mobilized for the midterm elections, at the very least. I still half expect Congress to have some harebrained scheme like immediately impeaching Trump to get Pence in, since he's a candidate they might actually WANT, and then completely destroying voter confidence (among other things) forever.
GasBandit
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Well, I definitely agree with the latter, at least.
Yeah...that was kind of his point.
GasBandit
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And that was me kind of conceding it.
Well then for now voter ID laws shouldn't be allowed.
http://www.snopes.com/2015/10/01/alabama-drivers-license/
GasBandit
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Or, you know, they need to fix the problem instead of counterbalancing it with another.
And this is me quoting you conceding it.
The fact that it's a thing they can do is why I'm thinking about it. It's a terrible idea to do it right away, but that's never stopped people before.
A Supreme Court ruling in the late 1800's disallows congress from impeaching a president based on crimes they committed prior to serving.
So for congress to impeach they'd have to do so based on some action he took after inauguration.
It's what would have protected clinton from being impeached due to email issues:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9196502
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9196502
GasBandit
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FTFY
Good idea; I wouldn't want to commit to anything in an election year.[DOUBLEPOST=1478822982,1478822410][/DOUBLEPOST]Democrat politicians: "Bernie Sanders would've been a stronger candidate against Trump."
Hmm, well, it's TOO FUCKIN LATE FOR THAT.
GasBandit
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Yeah, maybe they Debbie Wasserman-Schoulda-thought-of-that-before-they-rigged-the-primary-against-him.
This just sounds like it's asking to get challenged.
"Yes we know the offices are far away from your location, but they're still within easy driving distance OH WAIT THAT'S RIGHT YOU CAN'T DRIVE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
It's like once the last drivers license-enabled person living there dies, nobody will be able to get a new one.
--Patrick
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Good lord!
But Hilary was bought and paid for by Wallstreet!
Good lord!
But Hilary was bought and paid for by Wallstreet!
I could show up with a hospital bracelet thing an expired libray card from my youth and as long as my buddy says Yeah that's where hobo lives I can vote.
Nebraska does not require an ID to vote. I just had to give my name and confirm the address they had listed for me in the list of registered voters, then sign next to my name in the list.
According to Nebraska's Secretary of State website: "The only time voters are asked for ID is if they were a first time Nebraska registrant who mailed in their registration application and didn’t provide ID at that time."
Registering to vote was included when I got my Nebraska driver's license, so I've never had to show ID to vote here.