I have the history of comic book characters being killed and resurrected with regularity as my backing. What do you have? We don't even know who it will be at this point.
[Comics] And The Joker Killed.....
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I don't think they've even shown up yet in the new 52, so I guess technically it's still not undone. Personally, I would've loved to see them as ghost detectives, which was apparently Mark Waid's idea at the tail end of the 52 series.Now will someone answer my Elongated Man question
And almost dead more times than can be counted.
Also, Colossus had a pretty good death in Marvel.
And possibly one of the worst resurrections. ALIEN JAIL THE WHOLE TIME!
Also, rumours seem to be right now that it's possibly Jason Todd.
I would have read the shit out of that.
Yeah, but that was a pretty cool way Whedon brought him back. "Am I finally dead?"
With a crowbar hopefully. Then have Starfire go, "Jason who?"
Then the last frame is a picture of someone throwing Red Hood and the Outlaws in a trashcan.
And on the way out, he shoots Batgirl in the spine.
Honestly, though, I was never interested in Barbara Gorden as a character until she became Oracle.
Funny enough, I just re-skimmed through our New 52 thread and saw my old prediction that Red Hood & the Outlaws likely wouldn't last past the first six issues. I was wrong, but man, I wish I wasn't.
Also, to join the cynic discussion: I moved away from most of DC and Marvel for a good, long while. There's too many amazing comics out there by other companies like Image, Dark Horse, IDW, etc, that I don't give two craps about these events anymore. I try to look at books that I can enjoy in trade form, which events almost never read well just on their own (Blackest Night, Civil War, etc).
It's not so much that I'm cynical, but just that I don't care enough to bother with DC and Marvel's crap anymore. There's too much other good stuff to bother with them.
It's not so much that I'm cynical, but just that I don't care enough to bother with DC and Marvel's crap anymore. There's too much other good stuff to bother with them.
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If they do kill off Alfred, do you think he'll come back as a villain?
Wouldn't be the first time. He was once a villain known as the Outsider.
I read it on /co/. Spoilers ahoy.
Also, if you want to read it yourself, it's a stickied thread at the top of /co/ on 4chan.
Nobody dies. It's a huge copout where the Joker might be dead, but nobody finds a body so of course, he's likely not. Joker fakes out Batman into thinking he's sliced everyone's faces off like his, turns out he didn't. He gassed Alfred, and after Batman ruins his plan Joker gasses everyone else and they get into a brawl as Joker/Bats run off. It's pretty horribly written and has absolutely zero payoff for anyone who's been following this storyline. The only thing that changes is Joker apparently told everyone something to cause them to distance themselves from Bats, leaving him with just Alfred.
Also, if you want to read it yourself, it's a stickied thread at the top of /co/ on 4chan.
Y'know, the problem with that is that I can't actually think of anything from the Joker that I'd consider especially big, cruel or twisted. The Joker's got all of the Batfamily around a table, and won't kill the mbecause he's the Joker and not some other bad guy. Pretty much everyone around that table has been dead at least once. Who cares?
Anyway, my reason for not keeping up with these events is just because they're events. I can't and won't read 7 different titles, 5 issues each, to know the whole story. For fans like me ("not really big fans but I can be persuaded to like a specific story"), the whole "universe" thing just blows. In my mind, each and every hero, except for the teams, lives in a separate continuity. Screw all cross-overs.
Also, if they actually wanted big/cruel/twisted, he should've cut off Bat's face, like his, forcing him to forever wear a mask. Though that wouldn't stick either, of course.
I dunno, I think cutting up Alfred and serving them each a piece would have been a hit that they may have never recovered from. Nearly all of them had a relationship with him.
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Then again, they called it "Death of the Family." I guess no one thought to take that title literally.
You know I can't recall a single instance where DC or Synder said that someone was going to die. I find it amusing that everyone wants to criticize the book before hand for having a lazy and predictable event death, then complain cop-out when they actually do something different and with far more subtly that you normally see. Then again a lot of these same people boast about how they don't bother reading the book, then freely pirate.
In the interview linked in the OP he talks about Joker having a "murderous mission in mind." The entire story is a callback to Jason Todd and Death In the Family. I think people were expecting something more impactful than what happened. Batman becoming emotionally distant from people isn't exactly a shocker. Though, I guess at this point neither is seeing a Robin die, so who knows what would have been better, really.
Yeah, I said that backwards. Either way, it doesn't feel like the big ending the writer talks about in the interview. This could stem from my overall disinterest in DC lately, too, though. Aquaman's been a pretty good read but outside of that it's hard to find a book I'm really into. The dialogue between Bats and Joker is just so weird in this run sometimes.
There's a weirdly homoerotic vibe coming from the Joker, going back to him stalking Gordon. I'm not... entirely comfortable with the implications of that.
The only things I've ended up enjoying lately have been the new Hulk and Thor books. Just can't seem to find anything going on in DC right now that I like outside of Aquaman, which I'm pretty behind on anyway.
Except DC has been slowly doing away with it. Constantine's changed over to the main DCU, executive editor Karen Berger (who brought in all the Brits, including Morrison and Gaiman) was let go.
Also, the only thing that's keeping me interested in DC these days is Animal Man. And Swamp Thing, to a lesser extent.
Damien Wayne, the current Robin. Tim Drake, Red Robin. Jason Todd, Red Hood. Dick Grayson, Nightwing.
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