[Informational] Blacknova Traders
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GasBandit
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Yeah, it could, in a number of ways. But the boxes on the planets menu sure beats manually travelling and transferring from every planet individually.
GasBandit
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Yeah, doing the round robin of one-way trades just wasn't worth the time to me , any more, so I went back to having all my trade routes be 2 way pairs, and just doing each 5 times before moving on - level 25 hull means that starts at 60 million credits per 4 turns and peters down to about 52 million per 4 turns, which is when I move on to the next pair. It's slightly less efficient than the stienman one-way trade circle (as the one turn to move to the next pair is without profit, whereas every move for stienman while trading is profit), but it lets me keep track of more ports in my trade listings and avoids the extra irritation he has to go through to make those trades.
I also quit buying colonists at about 750 million (though buying colonists was also less of a chore for me since I had spare trade route slots to go between 816 and the planet I wanted to stock). I'm up to 983 million now, and will probably hit a billion tonight. Gonna have to think of some more planet names. Planet making is less of a headache now though, too, that I don't care if I actually control the sector or not since trading is now just a secondary revenue stream for when I have lots of turns to spare.
Though, I'm not sure planetary interest is calculating right... the interest rate is supposedly 0.05 , and the update rate is every 2 minutes, but 100 billion credits is getting me 50 million in interest every 2 minutes... which is what I'd expect if I had 1 billion. I thought I should be getting 5 billion every 2 minutes. Am I doing my math wrong?
I also quit buying colonists at about 750 million (though buying colonists was also less of a chore for me since I had spare trade route slots to go between 816 and the planet I wanted to stock). I'm up to 983 million now, and will probably hit a billion tonight. Gonna have to think of some more planet names. Planet making is less of a headache now though, too, that I don't care if I actually control the sector or not since trading is now just a secondary revenue stream for when I have lots of turns to spare.
Though, I'm not sure planetary interest is calculating right... the interest rate is supposedly 0.05 , and the update rate is every 2 minutes, but 100 billion credits is getting me 50 million in interest every 2 minutes... which is what I'd expect if I had 1 billion. I thought I should be getting 5 billion every 2 minutes. Am I doing my math wrong?
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Hmmm maybe a more interesting progression:
Traveler
Voyager
Explorer
Adventurer
Pioneer
Trafficker
Merchant
Tycoon
Magnate
Precept
Governor
Ruler
Sovereign
Conquerer
Overseer
Overlord
Imperator
Emperor
Dynast
GasBandit
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Well, the interest thing is consistent with the bank, too.. the interest rate is listed as 0.03 for IGB accounts as well, and to test it I put 100,000 credits in the bank and waited 2 minutes, got 30 credits for my trouble.
So it seems that the interest rates aren't 3% and 5%, but literally 0.03% and 0.05%. Which even today's banks would think was really stingy.[DOUBLEPOST=1389302545,1389302437][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, protip for @bhamv3 - using the IGP banking kiosk, you can simultaneously transfer all funds from all your planets to consolidate it on one planet with much less clicking.
So it seems that the interest rates aren't 3% and 5%, but literally 0.03% and 0.05%. Which even today's banks would think was really stingy.[DOUBLEPOST=1389302545,1389302437][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, protip for @bhamv3 - using the IGP banking kiosk, you can simultaneously transfer all funds from all your planets to consolidate it on one planet with much less clicking.
GasBandit
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That's true.[DOUBLEPOST=1389303480,1389303427][/DOUBLEPOST]
Thank goodness you didn't have a "Planeteer" rank. Because I'd probably end up with "Heart."
GasBandit
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So that's how one gets efficiency so high. Comes a point that the only reason to log in is to move colonists around and make more planets. I doubt I'll ever get under 2000 moves remaining again, as I no longer have a reason to trade commodities.
This is good news for later joining newbies I guess... a larger amount of max turns makes it easier/faster for them to do the trading port part of the game and get caught up to where the worldbuilder phase begins.
I wonder what rates planets charge if you set them to make commodities and sell them.
This is good news for later joining newbies I guess... a larger amount of max turns makes it easier/faster for them to do the trading port part of the game and get caught up to where the worldbuilder phase begins.
I wonder what rates planets charge if you set them to make commodities and sell them.
GasBandit
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I'm dubious about how much that helps attackers. When I attacked you, your planet only had 70k energy, so your beams were pretty much a non-factor (exhausted themselves on killing about a quarter of my fighters) and your shields were at 0 to start... and you still successfully defended and destroyed me based on the torpedo phase alone.
Damn those torpedoes.
GasBandit
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Indeed. And since the planetary torpedo-per-combat cap is much higher than an equivalently leveled ship, you don't have to stock many torpedoes at all unless you anticipate being attacked by a much, MUCH higher level ship.
GasBandit
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Or, conversely, someone willing to zergling rush a planet 10-15 times until it runs out of torpedoes (I'm assuming the torpedoes are used up whether or not they all do damage), then spending the money to re-upgrade their ship for real once the torps run dry, I suppose.
I guess you'd have to spend SOME money to upgrade the engines each time to travel back to the planet in 1 turn, but aside from that... torpedo sponge ftw if you're rich?
GasBandit
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Might be unnecessary. I think a torp committed is a torp lost, regardless of whether it hits anything or not, and "who died" calculations don't happen until the end of all 3 phases (my beams killed Bhamv remember, but I still fired torps at him all the same).
So a level 1 ship soaks torpedos at the same rate as a level 20+. Once the torpedos are gone, then you can upgrade and fight the planet "for real." Still takes ~50-75 billion per planet you want to take, though.
Assuming the owner is Level 20ish.
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GasBandit
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... Well, hang on, that might not be right. The calculation is 10% of the planet's torp level calculation (which because torps do 10 damage, damage works out to = torp level)... but a planet can hold infinite torps, even if it can only fire 83130 (to use the number of torps gasbandia prime fired at Bhamv).
So if Gasbandia prime has 2 million torps, it will be 25 fights before the number of torps the planet fires even BEGINS to decrease. But once the number does begin to decrease, it will take 16 more fights until a planet is firing roughly the same number of torps as an equivalently leveled ship would, and could conceivably be defeated at equal level.
So, never mind. Torps still basically make planets invincible.
So if Gasbandia prime has 2 million torps, it will be 25 fights before the number of torps the planet fires even BEGINS to decrease. But once the number does begin to decrease, it will take 16 more fights until a planet is firing roughly the same number of torps as an equivalently leveled ship would, and could conceivably be defeated at equal level.
So, never mind. Torps still basically make planets invincible.
GasBandit
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Remember that's Goods Wholesalers in sector 6 and Goods 4 U in sector 10, both just a hop, skip and jump from Sol in sector 0 where you start! MONEY!
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Remember that's Goods Wholesalers in sector 6 and Goods 4 U in sector 10, both just a hop, skip and jump from Sol in sector 0 where you start! MONEY!
And don't forget to visit the original Goods R Us in sector 413 when you get some actual engines!
GasBandit
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Same at yours.
Which is horrible. Ports sell goods for 8. 16.75 is such a ripoff I can't see how the devs expect anyone to set planets to producing goods. It'd make so much more sense to have planets sell for less than ports, because it keeps money in the economy (goes from one player to another) instead of taking it out of the game (from player to cpu)
GasBandit
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That explains how I passed you. I was like "whaaaaaaat?"
But yeah, I think in the future, the game will be much more interesting at 2 turns per minute instead of 6. That will give 2500 in just every 24 hours.
Planetary torps will still be broken, though.
GasBandit
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Jumpin Jeezus on a pogo stick. I had to make. MAKE. from scratch, 25 planets today just to handle my overpopulation problems. I'm burning through turns as fast as I ever had to trading, just moving people off worlds that are getting over 90 million and building bases on the planets I make for them. If this keeps growing like this, I won't be able to keep up, and people gonna start dying a LOT.
But oh god the money is so good.
But oh god the money is so good.
GasBandit
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I don't mean the hassle of planets, I mean I won't have enough turns to save everyone. I don't think my cargo hold can grow as fast as these people can screw.
GasBandit
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I think I know how this story ends.
"It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor of Mankind has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of Man for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die.Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in His name on uncounted worlds. (...) To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods."
"It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor of Mankind has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of Man for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die.Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in His name on uncounted worlds. (...) To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods."
GasBandit
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Victory!
January 13 2014 14:21:34
Your planet Fahz in sector 117 was attacked by stienman. The citizens organized a valliant defense however, and managed to destroy the opponent. They salvage some resources from the space debris : 0 goods, 0 ore, 0 organics and 3% of the ship's worth of 15980298240 credits.
So, yeah. You beat my planet but the torps still got you, which means you didn't beat my planet. That's what I've been on about.
January 13 2014 14:21:34
Your planet Fahz in sector 117 was attacked by stienman. The citizens organized a valliant defense however, and managed to destroy the opponent. They salvage some resources from the space debris : 0 goods, 0 ore, 0 organics and 3% of the ship's worth of 15980298240 credits.
So, yeah. You beat my planet but the torps still got you, which means you didn't beat my planet. That's what I've been on about.
GasBandit
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Doing the math, it looks like you have a level 27 torpedo launcher. Those torps just went to waste against a planet though, because the planet's level 24 torpedo launcher does 5x damage because it's a planet, and your level 23 hull couldn't hold up to it.[DOUBLEPOST=1389642427,1389642175][/DOUBLEPOST]
But that's still a hell of an expense to take one of my least significant and least defended planets (It wasn't manufacturing fighters or torpedoes, I just brought 1 load of defenses and left it there).
Actually, it may interest you to know you've used up about half of Fahz' torpedoes. If you only upgraded your engines enough to get there and left everything else unupgraded, it'd probably run dry in 3 or 4 more cheap sorties, then you could spend another trillion upgrading "for real."
But that's still a hell of an expense to take one of my least significant and least defended planets (It wasn't manufacturing fighters or torpedoes, I just brought 1 load of defenses and left it there).
And that's just one planet. You'd have to take out up to three planets just to wrest control of one system away from another player.
GasBandit
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I don't think he's logged in in forever. So he probably put some cash on a planet and the interest is compounding.
It's amusing looking through this thread but not playing. You guys seem to be learning the basic rules of Tradewars as I remember them:
And in TW2002, planet-management was fun. I particularly liked teleporting your planets around the galaxy. Is that possible in this game?
- Colonists = Prosperity
- Money on planets = real interest
- Late game = Ferrying colonists around for greatest benefit to your empire.
And in TW2002, planet-management was fun. I particularly liked teleporting your planets around the galaxy. Is that possible in this game?
GasBandit
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