If it's wrong to harass women in bikinis at the beach, it is wrong to harass women in skimpy costumes at a convention.
cosplay does NOT equal Consent
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full stop. statement is correct
Counter argument, I'll harrass the hell out of a woman who's wearing a busted up ensemble. It's for her own good *snap*.
What you mean is It's wrong to sexually harrass a woman.
And it's arguing semantics. I know people who'll absolutely agree that harassment is wrong, but still think it's perfectly fine to throw wolf whistles at girls in short shorts because they don't consider it harassment.
I'm still of the opinion that a) if you dress up in *skimpy* clothing, you can expect people to look; b) there's a huge difference between looking appreciatively for 5 seconds and staring/ogling in a bothering/irritating fashion and c) no matter what you're doing, if it makes the other person uncomfortable, you should probably not do it - once again returning to the "my freedom ends where another's begins" I like so much.
I'm still of the opinion that a) if you dress up in *skimpy* clothing, you can expect people to look; b) there's a huge difference between looking appreciatively for 5 seconds and staring/ogling in a bothering/irritating fashion and c) no matter what you're doing, if it makes the other person uncomfortable, you should probably not do it - once again returning to the "my freedom ends where another's begins" I like so much.
I find this whole thing highly interesting from a security standpoint, as in two weeks I'll be heading Security at our local convention. There's a group of guys from a Klingon group who form the line of the security team (checking badges and whatnot), and I'm there to give it some teeth.
Normally I'd just be thinking from a property crimes/violent crimes perspective, but this has given me something else to think about. And like I mentioned in Kags' thread, I have a manner to enforce it with, provided that the potential offender in question doesn't "get it." Thanks to y'all for reminding of this.
Normally I'd just be thinking from a property crimes/violent crimes perspective, but this has given me something else to think about. And like I mentioned in Kags' thread, I have a manner to enforce it with, provided that the potential offender in question doesn't "get it." Thanks to y'all for reminding of this.
figmentPez
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If you need more reminder, go watch the video in this post, at about 5:50 where Took talks about some jerk who was so insistent on touching her face she had to choke him to get him to realize he needed to back off. Other cosplayers talk about unwanted attention as well.
This is a large part of the problem, I think. Yes, that you, personally, officer Charon, thought! Erm, eh, I mean, security, guards, police officers etc, all those kinds of jobs where it's someone's job to check for trouble etc,tend to be held very predominantly by men. Even for sensitive, open-minded men who DO care about this sort of thing, it's something that's simply usually not at the forefront of your mind, and certainly not the boss'. If there even is a security plan, it'll usually involve making sure everybody gets checked on leaving, or everyone is double-checked upon entering, and making sure there are no "major disturbances". While for a lot of people, it's the smaller things that determine the atmosphere of an event. It's one of those things where I am still a strong believer that we need more awareness training and such.
Go forth and be aware, Officer Charon. Be very aware ;-)
TL;DR: Bubble hates Office Charon's penis
But... he can't.... Everyone LOVES Officer_Charon's penis...
Really?Except your wife, apparently.
Full circle jerk!
*raises eyebrow*
While I see what you did there, I postulate that I have one solid piece of evidence to the contrary.
Who is currently sleeping.
While I see what you did there, I postulate that I have one solid piece of evidence to the contrary.
Who is currently sleeping.
Do you really want an owl munching on your acorn?
Think of it as two furry mice that share a tail. That'll do ya.Do you really want an owl munching on your acorn?
figmentPez
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A reminder that male cosplayers get harassed as well:
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No one deserves to be harassed. But it is certainly true that these outfits were designed by their artists to evoke a sexual response. There is no way you can stop someone from--to be completely frank--fantasizing about having sex with you. Here's the thing--that's nature. People fantasize about having sex with other people. Many of those outfits are designed to elicit exactly that response. Acting on that fantasy in a socially inappropriate way is the bad thing, not the fantasy itself.
But see, here's the other thing. I can admire the execution of the concept too. That's the great thing about it. It's actually the same with the comic page itself. I can feel a sexual attraction to the woman represented by the drawing, and be bowled over by the technical execution of the artistry. Nothing short of chemical injections or castration will stop the first. But that doesn't mean I should act inappropriately. I shouldn't.
But see, here's the other thing. I can admire the execution of the concept too. That's the great thing about it. It's actually the same with the comic page itself. I can feel a sexual attraction to the woman represented by the drawing, and be bowled over by the technical execution of the artistry. Nothing short of chemical injections or castration will stop the first. But that doesn't mean I should act inappropriately. I shouldn't.
That's the heart of it. I don't think anyone here is arguing that one shouldn't be sexually attracted to cosplayers ever. Just don't be a creep about it.
I think thats the whole point, its not that there are people having fantasies, its that they are saying and doing things that are inappropriate, I am sure everyone expects someone to oogle them, thats not the point of the moment. It is that those interacting need to remember there is a human being in the costume who doesn't want to be told things like all the ways you would have sex with them or being groped and fondled.
Also, I would totally dig being objectified.
Just once...
So, Fun Size, huh? Let's see if you live up to that name.Also, I would totally dig being objectified.
Just once...
GasBandit
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I objectify you all the time! I classify you as an ottoman. Or possibly a footstool.
North_Ranger
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You're a stool!
http://mostflogged.tumblr.com/post/51608331295/my-cosplay-consent-fanime-adventure
welp MostFlogged just had her first major run in with a creeper. she talks about how she thought it was silly up until now but feels more that it is a valid point that needs to be addressed.
welp MostFlogged just had her first major run in with a creeper. she talks about how she thought it was silly up until now but feels more that it is a valid point that needs to be addressed.
Honestly, she -legally- did the wrong thing by forcefully taking his phone away. She was also wrong that he -invaded her privacy- by taking pictures and video of her in a public place.
If she's upset about the one guy she busted, I can only imagine how she'd feel realizing how many more are out there and then do things to themselves later with said pictures.
If she's upset about the one guy she busted, I can only imagine how she'd feel realizing how many more are out there and then do things to themselves later with said pictures.
Out of curiosity, this line made me wonder:
"everyone is more than welcome to ask to take pictures, but you ASK you get that sweet ass CONSENT and everyone goes home happy."
Is she talking about subjectively creepy pictures, or is it the general expectation that every time you take any picture at a con you request permission of the subjects before you take it?
"everyone is more than welcome to ask to take pictures, but you ASK you get that sweet ass CONSENT and everyone goes home happy."
Is she talking about subjectively creepy pictures, or is it the general expectation that every time you take any picture at a con you request permission of the subjects before you take it?
BananaHands
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