GasBandit
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So comedian Daniel Tosh tries to channel Carlin, instead pulls a Mav. Louis CK sticks up for him.
[News] Daniel Tosh is an ass.
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Dave
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If Tosh apologizes for a joke, you just KNOW it had to be way over the top. And yes, I know what he said.
I read about this.
Tosh is an abortion of comedy, this just makes him even more distasteful.
Is there a irony or something in using the word 'abortion' in association with a comedian thinks it would be hilarious if his heckler was raped?
YES! BRUTALITY AGAINST THIS WOMAN THAT DARED SPEAK UP AGAINST ME IS THE FUNNIEST GODDAMN THING IN THE WORLD!!
I hate using caps...but people argument FOR what happened sound like this to me.
I think John Stewart said it best: Just because your a comedian doesn't mean that you don't have to face responsibility for your actions.
Honestly, I like Daniel Tosh, but that really was in bad taste. He didn't say that to be funny, he said it intimidate someone. When your using your comedy as a weapon, you stop being a comic.
Honestly, I like Daniel Tosh, but that really was in bad taste. He didn't say that to be funny, he said it intimidate someone. When your using your comedy as a weapon, you stop being a comic.
I want clarify: I don't think it's right to say "Suchandsuch is NEVER funny." I'm a believer in 'anything can be funny', though I personaly struggle to think of an instance (outside of Carlins bit) where rape is funny.
The woman shouldn't have heckled him. I understand her view but there ARE other ways to voice displeasure.
However, he went to far in his come back. There was no joke there. That was him being annoyed with her and wishing something horrible on another.
He's still not funny, though.
The woman shouldn't have heckled him. I understand her view but there ARE other ways to voice displeasure.
However, he went to far in his come back. There was no joke there. That was him being annoyed with her and wishing something horrible on another.
He's still not funny, though.
Basically. He tried to intimidate the woman by making her the target of the joke, instead of just telling her to leave. He knew what he was doing.
What Tosh said to his heckler is reprehensible and disgusting. I don't find myself to be the type of person who is easily offended, but to say it would be funny for a woman to be gang raped is completely out of line.
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I honestly had no idea that guy was a comedian at all. I've seen that Tosh.o show or whatever it is called and it is pretty lame. I never would have guessed he wasn't just some random guy picked to do that stuff.
The more I know.
The more I know.
This is what happens when some people stay online too long. They get away with shit behind anonymity and then it bleeds into their RL personality.
True.I got called quite often on my teabagging my collegues and friends.
At the same time, there's this trend of audience douchebaggery prevalent among stand up comedy shows. Why do people get all offended and shocked when after they heckle a comedian, the comedian rips them a new asshole (verbally)? These guys are professional class-clowns. Their whole job is to make fun of people, and improvise an audience response on the spot. Furthermore, other people are there to see the show; not listen to how offended someone is of the material.
Don't accuse me of blaming the victim, but the lady should have just kept her mouth shut, left the club, and then blogged about how offended she was. In a sense she pretty much dangled a piece of meat in front of a bear and then wondered why she got mauled.
That said, Tosh could have made fun of her a little more tactfully instead of pulling a Michael Richards. I don't even know if it was pulling a Michael Richards, because the audience was laughing at her. I honestly don't find Tosh's stuff that offensive. Rape jokes have been around since Vaudeville.
Whats pulling a Mav?
a forum member that made the same joke about a female forum member.
I don't know why he's not around any more.
...In a non-funny way.
A-yu.
I'm sure it's possible to be funny about any topic. Context and the way of handling it are very, very important to make the difference between "funny/edgy" and "boorish/offensive".
To take arandom example off of my facebook: I shared that article from the politics board about Wall Street people admitting they needed to do illegal/immoral things. First reply? "Written by a woman, article invalidated". The guy's doing it to provoke and antagonise (aka, he's trolling) but from him, it simply isn't funny at all. Because he's a fucking misogynist in real life, too, especially sincce he broke up with his last girlfriend (who I still think must've been a masochist to stay with him this long).
It's hilarious how often the phrase the phrase "Don't accuse me of blaming the victim" is followed by someone doing exactly that.
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that's why I made the statement...
And the lady, in my opinion, was asking for exactly what she got.
yes...
that's why I made the statement...
And the lady, in my opinion, was asking for exactly what she got.
Well, in this case, you can just attribute, to me, the sentence "the victim probably asked for it".
Mind you, there's three options:
a) She wanted to get heckled in a funny way, and got this instead - dangling a piece of meat in front of a dog, and getting a big bite taken out of your leg when you just wanted to tease the animal and get a little nip -> That's just stupid on your part, even though perhaps the dog needs to be looked at and maybe put down for being too aggressive
b) She REALLY had no idea this guy was an offensive "comedian" who made jokes about offensive themes. In this case, getting up and fighting back is akin to trying to goad an animal into action, not knowing whether this animal is dangerous or not - it's stupid.
c) She came specifically to disrupt the performance. I don't have to explain why this one is bad, right?
Mind you, he crossed the line and was an offensive ass. Saying you'd like to see someone get raped? Not cool. It's not because party X overreacted that party Y is therefore not to blame at all.
Also mind you, I haven't watched the video in question since I'm at work.
I see this thread's going to get locked much sooner than the last Rant thread.
Mav didn't just make that joke, either. As evidenced by a certain Hall of Shame thread, he pretty much viewed women as a lesser class of people who don't know what they want (hint: they really want Mav).
Easily the second most disgusting person we've had on the forums.
Mav didn't just make that joke, either. As evidenced by a certain Hall of Shame thread, he pretty much viewed women as a lesser class of people who don't know what they want (hint: they really want Mav).
Easily the second most disgusting person we've had on the forums.
Thanks bro. That's exactly what I was going for.
And this case is exactly why people should just shut the hell up during a comedy show. People are there to see the comic; not here opinions from the audience. It ruins the show. It makes the comedian look like an ass. And it makes the heckler look like an ass. Just leave if it's offensive to you. Just leave.[DOUBLEPOST=1342044780][/DOUBLEPOST]
Boy, I hope you're not referring to me as the first because of my views on the subject at hand.
Dave
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There are literally hundreds of videos where comics go after hecklers. There's even a documentary about hecklers, called (imaginatively enough) Heckler. As someone who has BEEN heckled, you don't always know what to say right away. Oh, you have some shots and know what you'll say in some situations, but not all. In Tosh's case, he was doing misogynistic jokes and was heckled by a woman, so he went way, way, WAY over the top to humiliate her.
So here's my take - as a stand-up - about the whole thing.
Was she in the wrong? Yes. She should have known Tosh's brand of humor before going to the show. She had to buy a ticket and it's not like he's a road comedian nobody has ever heard of. She knew what she was getting into before she went. Also, when you go to a comedy show, SHUT THE FUCK UP! You don't like what you are hearing? Get up and leave. You want to heckle? Fuck you. You are a selfish and immature pissant who deserves to be stepped on, sometimes cruelly and with great malice.
Was Tosh in the wrong? Damn skippy. Like Michael Richards, he tried to take something negative and turn it into a positive, only to go too far around the bend and loop back into "WTF am I listening to" territory. But instead of owning up to it and stopping himself, he doubled down and went for it, which was a bad fucking idea. Tosh's problem is that his humor is ALL centered around shock and racism/sexism and when heckled he doesn't have much room to wiggle out of it because he's already on the edge of bad taste.
So I agree with everyone here for different reasons. I wouldn't have handled it the way he did but I can see why he did. Of course, I don't make rape jokes in the first place so I wouldn't go there even if prodded.
tl;dr: Tosh is an ass. The heckler is an ass. Nobody is surprised at any of it.
So here's my take - as a stand-up - about the whole thing.
Was she in the wrong? Yes. She should have known Tosh's brand of humor before going to the show. She had to buy a ticket and it's not like he's a road comedian nobody has ever heard of. She knew what she was getting into before she went. Also, when you go to a comedy show, SHUT THE FUCK UP! You don't like what you are hearing? Get up and leave. You want to heckle? Fuck you. You are a selfish and immature pissant who deserves to be stepped on, sometimes cruelly and with great malice.
Was Tosh in the wrong? Damn skippy. Like Michael Richards, he tried to take something negative and turn it into a positive, only to go too far around the bend and loop back into "WTF am I listening to" territory. But instead of owning up to it and stopping himself, he doubled down and went for it, which was a bad fucking idea. Tosh's problem is that his humor is ALL centered around shock and racism/sexism and when heckled he doesn't have much room to wiggle out of it because he's already on the edge of bad taste.
So I agree with everyone here for different reasons. I wouldn't have handled it the way he did but I can see why he did. Of course, I don't make rape jokes in the first place so I wouldn't go there even if prodded.
tl;dr: Tosh is an ass. The heckler is an ass. Nobody is surprised at any of it.
Dave, perfectly stated.
He's clearly referring to AmE and her irrational hatred for the TLGB community.
I think the argument is more often: It's comedy, you don't have the right to be not offended by it.
(NOT DEFENDING TOSH BY THE WAY)
No, we're (probably) talking about Icarus (sp), the guy who admitted to sleeping with a 14 year old when he was 18+ and felt there was nothing wrong with it. Then proceeded to use every pedophile stereotype that exists in his posts to defend himself, including...
- Age is a just a number
- This is modern standard. People used to do this all the time.
- She was very mature for her age.
- Many more.
We saved that thread in the Hall of Shame and it is both hilarious and disturbing.
Trust me. Your not even in the top 10 yet.
Icarus is the bad guy.
Iaculus is the guy who keeps getting confused for Icarus and I feel bad for him whenever we do that.
Yeah, I realized it right after I posted. Sorry Iaculus
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