Democratic Primary: Crisis of infinite candidates

phil

phil

Well, it's time to start thinking about who we want to lose to Trump in 2020. With the first debate coming up in a few days we might as well figure out just who the fuck some of these people are. If you're a registered Mayor Pete-o-file, here for the Yang Bang, feeling the Bern, or recognize that Warren is just the best choice feel free to contribute and rep your candidate. Biden Bros please try to respect some personal space.

Iowa speeches playlist here
Rolling stone TL;DR summery of the candidates here

Let's take a look at a few of the actually viable candidates frontrunners:

Bernie Sanders "Back then, didn't want me. Now I'm hot, they all up on me"
Wikipedia
Twitter
Pod Save America interview link

Pro: Progressive and could actually do some good
Cons: Old A.F. Sexist?

Can they win? I mean....maybe? Young progressives will vote for him if they turn out to vote. Old people will be scared of the S word.

Pete Buttigieg "Age ain't nothing but a number"
Wikipedia
twitter
Pod Save interview

Pro: Smart, speaks 7 languages, military experience, wants to make big changes to the system
cons: no real concrete plans and kinda sorta centerist

Can they win? My heart says yes but my head says no. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy but he lacks the experience that older voters are going to want and anyone even remotely homophobic won't be able to bring themselves to vote for a gay man.

Elizabeth Warren "Make a fuckin' move it would make my fuckin' day
Got a 100 year plan you jus' think about today"
Wikipedia
Twitter
Pod Save interview

Pro: She's got a plan for that
Con : bUt CaN A wOmAn WiN?

Can They Win? I mean...yeah if we all just fuckin' vote for her. I mean people are going to call her Hillary 2.o which is weird when Biden is right over there. She's got support and she's got a plan and she's doing things smart. If she were a dude I'd say he should just start moving in now.


I'll try to do more later but if someone else wants to do a few go ahead.

Oh and one thing I want to personally say about this real quick:

Clearly I like some candidates more than others and I'm sure you do to. Poking fun and having frank honest discussions about them is all good and encuraged. Here's the thing though? One of these people is going to be The Chosen One. The Prince(ess) who was promised. Master of all elements who will bring balance to the world. Whoever it ends up being needs our FULL support otherwise we're going to, and I can't stress this enough, doom our country and maybe the world? So maybe let's not shit on them tooooooooo much.

swear to christ if Biden gets the nom I'll flip every god damn table I see for the next year
 
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blotsfan

blotsfan

I like Warren as of now, but there isn't a candidate in the field I wouldn't vote for in the general (even Biden).
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

I generally make it a point not to talk about who I vote(d) for or even who I'm considering, but I am going to go on record now and say that, if I manage to survive all the way until election day, I will most definitely not be voting for Trump.

--Patrick
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I honestly blame Warren for Trump at this point. Warren could have nuked Bernie from orbit last election but stayed out to let Hillary have her moment and that gave the BernieBros all the reason they needed to not fucking show up... and fucking Bernie didn't do his god damn job post primary to convince them to vote for Hillary, so fuck him too. As for Buttigieg or Biden... I don't trust ether of them to actually enact a progressive agenda or to fight McConnell as savagely as he needs to be.

So who am I voting for? Whoever wins the primary, because I don't have faith in the system to actually fix itself through Progressivism but I understand that not voting for whoever isn't Donald is just going to potentially allow other people to come to harm because the Republicans are too chicken shit to do anything about the Religious Right and their on-going efforts to institute a theocracy or the Racist Right and their on-going efforts to forge a white ethnostate.

Wake me up when AOC is old enough to run... because I am SO very tired, all the time, because I feel like the country is an inch and a half from breaking into Civil War.
 
phil

phil

AshburnerX said:
I honestly blame Warren for Trump at this point. Warren could have nuked Bernie from orbit last election but stayed out to let Hillary have her moment and that gave the BernieBros all the reason they needed to not fucking show up... and fucking Bernie didn't do his god damn job post primary to convince them to vote for Hillary, so fuck him too. As for Buttigieg or Biden... I don't trust ether of them to actually enact a progressive agenda or to fight McConnell as savagely as he needs to be.

So who am I voting for? Whoever wins the primary, because I don't have faith in the system to actually fix itself through Progressivism but I understand that not voting for whoever isn't Donald is just going to potentially allow other people to come to harm because the Republicans are too chicken shit to do anything about the Religious Right and their on-going efforts to institute a theocracy or the Racist Right and their on-going efforts to forge a white ethnostate.

Wake me up when AOC is old enough to run... because I am SO very tired, all the time, because I feel like the country is an inch and a half from breaking into Civil War.
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I feel you, but consider that Mitch McConnell is also up in 2020. A strong Dem candidate could get enough people out to vote strait ticket to get rid of Trump and McConnell without having to use the 2nd amendment at all.


I think this is probably our last chance to avoid armed revolution to take back the country, so we need to try our best.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I thought Harris had a decent shot but she's gone quiet. It's funny how O'Rourke could've kept steaming ahead with midterm momentum, but decided to keep his cards close just long enough to blow his chances.

So it's going to be Warren in the primary and then whoever wins that. I wish Larry Hogan would keep threatening to run for the Republican nom if only to distract them.

But pretty much this:

AshburnerX said:
Wake me up when AOC is old enough to run...
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Dei

Dei

It would be great if the giant turtle lost, but I think he's pretty entrenched at this point. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

I'm fairly sure Mitch and Donald are staying in. Whether or not anyone will try to stop them is another thing.

That said...I dunno. Biden has a lot of benefits and might end up being the candidate, but he'd lose in the general. Two old (really old- seriously, Trump was the oldest ever when he began! Come on! Die off already, generation crap!) white men? That won't draw anyone from the left. Bern had his chance and lost it - any votes he'll win for being an old white man he'll lose for accepting the title of socialist.
Among the women, ehhh....Warren is the "safe" bet, but I don't think she'll make it.
I don't really know much about Buttigieg, what I've read I've liked, but him being gay is probably still too big of a hurdle. Wouldn't be an issue in developed countries, but in the USA? Ehhhh.
I'm not actually convinced right now that there's anyone with the charisma, star power, experience and lack of skeletons in the closet you'd need to win against Trump. Obama III isn't an option, and AOC is too young - though she, at least, might have been able to bring out the Berni voters.
Honestly, the person who'd probably have the best chance of beating Trump is Pelosi, but she's not running.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Beto O'Rourke's still a contender, IMO. I mean, I wouldn't vote for him personally, but he came remarkably close to kicking Ted Cruz out of his senate seat. In Texas.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Bubble181 said:
Honestly, the person who'd probably have the best chance of beating Trump is Pelosi, but she's not running.
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Pelosi has the Hillary problem, in that they've had over a decade to demonize her and turn people against her. As more... her utter cowardice in not even attempting to impeach Trump (and the rest of the party for not removing her for it) tells me I'd rather just not at vote at all if she was the nominee. If she doesn't want Trump gone, fine... have 4 more years of him and let the deaths be on her head.
 
Gruebeard

Gruebeard

GasBandit said:
Beto O'Rourke's still a contender, IMO. I mean, I wouldn't vote for him personally, but he came remarkably close to kicking Ted Cruz out of his senate seat. In Texas.
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Well, then. When 2020 comes around and O'Rourke loses to Trump by losing Texas by a single vote, I'm blaming Armageddon on you.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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blotsfan said:
I know. The status quo is fine so it's not worth doing whatever you can to stop the bleeding.
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Well, the serious answer to that question, of what would it take for GB to vote democrat is the candidate:

Would have to openly and loudly declare themselves to be firmly pro 2nd amendment rights
Would have to openly and loudly declare themselves committed to non-government-controlled solutions to the healthcare problems of the country (for example, the Million Payer Plan)

There's some other things that might be nice, but if you can get me a democrat candidate that will adhere to those two things, I'll loudly and proudly pull that D lever to dethrone trump.

But if you're not willing to move to my values, you can't shame me for voting for refusing to vote for turd sandwich instead of giant douche.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

Things Gas finds more important than stopping concentration camps:

Owning murder toys.
Making sure poor people can't get health care.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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blotsfan said:
Things Gas finds more important than stopping concentration camps:

Owning murder toys.
Making sure poor people can't get health care.
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Things Blotsfan finds more important than stopping concentration camps:

Advancing agendas that undermine constitutionally-guaranteed rights.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

blotsfan said:
Vs the alternative?
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At this point, I don’t consider Trump an actual candidate. Even if he wins the nomination. Like evilmike says, I expect either the bluest wave ever, or rampant voter suppression so blatant that any attempts to explain away its necessity will be dismissed as the lies they are.

—Patrick
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

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PatrThom said:
At this point, I don’t consider Trump an actual candidate. Even if he wins the nomination. Like evilmike says, I expect either the bluest wave ever, or rampant voter suppression so blatant that any attempts to explain away its necessity will be dismissed as the lies they are.
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I expect a declaration of martial law before the election can even be held, and an attempt to suspend the election process indefinitely.
 
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Tress

Tress

figmentPez said:
I expect a declaration of martial law before the election can even be held, and an attempt to suspect the election process indefinitely.
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I expect the same thing that happened in 2016: older conservative white people, terrified of whatever Fox News tells them to fear, spread out over enough southern and midwestern states to overcome the highly concentrated liberal strongholds like California and New York. They take one look at a gay/female/socialist/“evil liberal” Democrat and vote Trump even though they don’t actually like Trump all that much. Tribalism wins these days.
 
Dave

Dave

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Remember, most people on the right who consume nothing but conservative news sources, think the Meuller report completely exonerated Trump. In their eyes he's done nothing wrong and is succeeding at everything.

These are the same idiots who voted him in the first time, people. Trump not only might not get beaten in a landslide, he could win again.
 
Tiger Tsang

Tiger Tsang

Dave said:
Remember, most people on the right who consume nothing but conservative news sources, think the Meuller report completely exonerated Trump. In their eyes he's done nothing wrong and is succeeding at everything.

These are the same idiots who voted him in the first time, people. Trump not only might not get beaten in a landslide, he could win again.
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Going from bad to worst

Stupidity > unwitting ignorance > willful ignorance > pick your -ism
 
Dave

Dave

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The human average IQ is somewhere between 90 & 110. That means that 50% of the population is dumber than that.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

Dave said:
That means that 50% of the population is dumber than that.
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Actually, no, it doesn't.

The way they average out IQ to 100 means the most populous cohort of people would be within the average, and not below or above it.

blotsfan said:
If there's one thing I learned in 2016 it's to never overestimate the American people.
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“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” - H.L. Mencken (paraphrased)
 
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