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Finally, a restaurant that bans screaming kids

Jul 9, 2011#1

IronBrig4

http://www.wtae.com/news/28488145/detail.html

I am so happy to hear that a restaurant is doing this. We all have stories of uncontrollable kids at Denny's (and it's ALWAYS Denny's for some reason). There's a time and a place for screaming toddlers, and that's at Chuck E. Cheese's.

Jul 9, 2011#2

North_Ranger

I have to admit I feel ambivalent about this kind of policy. On the one hand I have personally experienced how a constantly whining and crying baby on the other side of the restaurant can make a dining experience an excercise in self-control so as not to dunk the little howler monkey's head in the salad bar dressing... but on the other hand I have also witnessed well-behaved children and their parents who are there for the same reason as I am; to enjoy a nice meal. The former I could live without; the latter will be penalized for the former's infractions.

Jul 9, 2011#3

makare

I think that is awesome.

Jul 9, 2011#4

blotsfan

Sounds reasonable to me. Honestly I think a restaurant should be allowed to ban any group they want, whether by age, race, sex or whatever. They'd just have to face the consequences of the massive damage done to their reputation.

Jul 9, 2011#5

CrimsonSoul

As a parent to three kids under 7 I think it's fucking ridiculous and I wouldn't even go there if I had a babysitter for my kids at the time.

Jul 9, 2011#6

makare

CrimsonSoul said:
As a parent to three kids under 7 I think it's fucking ridiculous and I wouldn't even go there if I had a babysitter for my kids at the time.

why?

Jul 9, 2011#7

Shegokigo

Bad quality I know but it gets the point across.

Oh yeah and "HELL YES" to that kind of restraunt.

Jul 9, 2011#8

DarkAudit

Poll on the page is overwhelmingly "good idea".

Jul 9, 2011#9

fade

I can count on half a hand the number of times I've ever been bothered by kids in a restaurant. Is this really a problem? Sometimes kids cry. You could be the greatest parent in the world, and you can't always stop it. I don't have any problem with the restaurant doing it, I just don't understand the problem.

Jul 9, 2011#10

ThatNickGuy

Screaming kids shouldn't be up to the restaurant but the parents. It's not the kid's fault because they're KIDS. They don't understand everything yet and their emotions are like a big wobbly tower of Jenga.

Now, parents who won't take their screaming kids outside the restaurant until they calm down? Or at least do something about it other than ignoring them? THAT'S someting I have a beef with.

Jul 9, 2011#11

makare

I love kids and I don't even mind them yelling and carrying on. But there are times I want to be out to eat in a no kid zone. That is what I am happy about.

Jul 9, 2011#12

doomdragon6

I don't think I've ever been bothered by kids at a restaurant. Like MAYBE once, possibly? Babies in a movie theater, though, yes.

Jul 9, 2011#13

CrimsonSoul

ThatNickGuy said:
Screaming kids shouldn't be up to the restaurant but the parents. It's not the kid's fault because they're KIDS. They don't understand everything yet and their emotions are like a big wobbly tower of Jenga.

Now, parents who won't take their screaming kids outside the restaurant until they calm down? Or at least do something about it other than ignoring them? THAT'S someting I have a beef with.

This! And if the parent won't make them leave the restaraunt bot an outright ban that's just stupid. As to the poster above, why? Because it is a rarity for me to take my wife out to eat even rarer than that is to find ababysitter. My side of the family is usually too busy and hers lives a few thousand miles away and we dont always have money for a babysitter and dinner so I have to take my kids. On the same hand a restaurant that bans kids is probably out of my price range so I wouldn't be going there anyway and that's my thoughts on the place without ever seeing a menu. But I don't think me and my wife should be punished for having children and no nanny or babysitter to care for them and we for sone unknown reason decide to take care of our children ourselves instead of dropping them off at an orphanage

Jul 9, 2011#14

Ravenpoe

CrimsonSoul said:
This! And if the parent won't make them leave the restaraunt bot an outright ban that's just stupid. As to the poster above, why? Because it is a rarity for me to take my wife out to eat even rarer than that is to find ababysitter. My side of the family is usually too busy and hers lives a few thousand miles away and we dont always have money for a babysitter and dinner so I have to take my kids. On the same hand a restaurant that bans kids is probably out of my price range so I wouldn't be going there anyway and that's my thoughts on the place without ever seeing a menu. But I don't think me and my wife should be punished for having children and no nanny or babysitter to care for them and we for sone unknown reason decide to take care of our children ourselves instead of dropping them off at an orphanage

How are you being punished by not being allowed to bring your kids to a place you've established you wouldn't go to anyway? I'm sure there exist other restaurants.

Jul 9, 2011#15

IronBrig4

http://www.mcdains.com/

The restaurant is a fairly upscale place at a golf course. It's meant to serve golfers and people who just want to have a relaxing dinner or drinks. A screaming baby or a toddler running between the tables just ruins the atmosphere. It's not that I don't like kids, but they should be confined to restaurants that have ball pits or crayons and paper so the kids don't get bored and fidgety.

That being said, I'd love to see similar bans applied by movie theaters. I haven't been bothered to much by kids in restaurants, but I have CONSTANTLY been bugged by idiots who bring their three-year-old to R-rated horror flicks.

Jul 9, 2011#16

Hailey Knight

I wouldn't mind if they had some screens reserved for no children.

Jul 9, 2011#17

Shegokigo

I dunno what you all are talking about, almost all theatres around here ban young children at R movies after 6pm.

The only problem is that almost no films are R anymore....

Jul 10, 2011#18

Hailey Knight

Shegokigo said:
I dunno what you all are talking about, almost all theatres around here ban young children at R movies after 6pm.

The only problem is that almost no films are R anymore....

Not in NY and not here. If a parent bought the ticket and is accompanying, they can get into anything. I remember seeing Seed of Chucky in 2005 and this couple had some screaming infant on their laps from before the movie even began. They did leave shortly after the movie began, but the people who assume they can go to a movie and their baby will just sleep are complete idiots.

Jul 10, 2011#19

makare

My parents are going to buy a restaurant soon, they hope. I had been thinking of suggesting finding a way to not allow kids after 5 pm but now after reading this thread I guess I won't. It never occurred to me there would be any objection to that.

Jul 10, 2011#20

Bones

I think there is alot of hurt feelings and what not in this thread, i agree with both sides. I dont see this policy as any different then some upscale restaurants that require formal attire. is it bullshit for parents like crimson, suuuuure, but the guy has a right to say, you know what, WE ARE NOT A FAMILY RESTAURANT, take your business to dennys or any number of other fine establishments.

Jul 10, 2011#21

Hailey Knight

That's exactly why I don't see the reason for getting so upset about it. There are probably a hundred restaurants within 10 miles of this place that don't ban kids under 6. Odds are this will increase their business, not decrease it, and it's not like it's a chain. No, it isn't kids' fault that they don't understand things, can't control their emotions or volume, etc, but there are tons of places to go with your kids, both behaved or not.

What this sounds like to me is people going "But MY kid is different, MY kid is special and well-behaved, so why can't MY kid go in the restaurant?" Your kid isn't special; get over it.

And then, 6 years old isn't some magical behavior problem cut-off. Some kids have screaming tantrums as teenagers. Some kids can't behave regardless.

The first time I can remember going to the movies was age 3. My sister and I were chatting like idiots, but then my dad (mom wasn't with us that night) yanked us both close and said this was a special treat, and if we didn't stop talking, we were going home right then. My dad never fucked around with false threats, so I listened and even my 2-year-old sister shut the hell up and watched the movie. And that stuck from then on.

Point is, if you teach your kids that going out is a privilege and that they'll be left out of it unless they behave, great. This restaurant wouldn't need this policy. But there are still all the other restaurants in the country to go to. It doesn't have to have a ball pit--it just doesn't need to be this place.

Jul 10, 2011#22

Thread Necromancer

I have two young children. Not that young any more, seven and nine. I also have a .... we'll call her "niece" that lives with me who is two as of today. I can not afford to take my family out to dinner on a regular basis, it is a rare occasion. None of us can afford a babysitter, especially not for three all the time, and the kids are always welcome with us.

I still support this policy.

Jul 10, 2011#23

fade

I'm still scratching my head over this. I said above that I could count on half a hand the number of times I've been bothered by kids at a restaurant. I take that back. I really can't recall ever being bothered by it. I've seen movie or tv characters get bothered by it. I know everyone's different and all that, I'm just personally confused.

On another note, isn't this already what people go to nice restaurants for? Kids aren't explicitly banned, but I've never really seen a kid in one of those places. Like as not, you'd be going to a place like that for a quiet night out anyway.

Ban TEENAGERS. I can't stand oily douchy boys throwing the word "fuck" around while doing that "her her her" laugh over something that's not funny while disrespecting the waitstaff. Same at the movies. I haven't had any problem with kids at movies, but definitely with teenagers with stupid laser pointers and loudly narrating.

Jul 10, 2011#24

Hailey Knight

I remember around the DC metro a year or two ago they put up these little devices called Mosquitoes that supposedly emitted an annoying sound too high-pitched for adults to hear, but would annoying anyone younger than 20-something and cause headaches with prolonged exposure.

They were taken down after a few months because of age discrimination though.

(Personally I found them stupid because many little kids have to go with their parents through the subway and the last thing they need is another reason for the kid to be crying.)

But for a luxury establishment, I suppose that's an option. I've not had teenager problems in a real restaurant before (I don't think Denny's is as great as the guy in the news article thinks), but movie theater, yeah. We pretty much stopped going to opening nights around here, partly because matinee is cheaper, and partly because of jackass teenagers shouting at the screen (not constantly or I'd have gotten someone to kick them out) or destroying the restroom.

Jul 10, 2011#25

Jay

More restaurants should support this. I also wish some airlines would do the same.

I've gotten into a few situations with parents unable/uninterested to handle their children in restos. Just because you can't handle your kids, doesn't mean my dining experience should be affected. I'm not paying money to sit at a table beside yours and can't even get a decent conversation going. I've gotten quite a few deals/people removed over the years. A lot of times people just need someone to lead the charge because soon after I complained, many others did.

I'm sorry but that's how it is. Get a babysitter or order in, I don't care. My woman and I wouldn't see it any other way when it'll be our turn to be parents

Jul 10, 2011#26

Mathias

fade said:
I can count on half a hand the number of times I've ever been bothered by kids in a restaurant. Is this really a problem? Sometimes kids cry. You could be the greatest parent in the world, and you can't always stop it. I don't have any problem with the restaurant doing it, I just don't understand the problem.

Added at: 12:19
I love this thread because the most vocal people in it don't have kids , and have no fucking clue. Sometimes there are no babysitters, and you want to go out. Taking your kid to the bathroom and yelling at them doesn't always work. Believe me, parents get just as fed up with their toddler screaming as much as you do.

And the other funny thing is the place is in Monroeville, PA. Most folks' idea of a night on the town without the kids in Monroeville involves Denny's and bowling.

Jul 10, 2011#27

Bones

Mathias, buddy, pal...its on a COUNTRY CLUB! OF COURSE ITS FOR DOUCHE-BAGS!

Jul 10, 2011#28

makare

Mathias said:
Yup. This restaurant is for douchebags.
Added at: 12:19
I love this thread because the most vocal people in it don't have kids and have no fucking clue.

A clue about what? I definitely have a clue about not wanting children around at restaurants at night.

Jul 10, 2011#29

Mathias

Jay said:
More restaurants should support this. I also wish some airlines would do the same.

I've gotten into a few situations with parents unable/uninterested to handle their children in restos. Just because you can't handle your kids, doesn't mean my dining experience should be affected. I'm not paying money to sit at a table beside yours and can't even get a decent conversation going. I've gotten quite a few deals/people removed over the years. A lot of times people just need someone to lead the charge because soon after I complained, many others did.

I'm sorry but that's how it is. Get a babysitter or order in, I don't care. My woman and I wouldn't see it any other way when it'll be our turn to be parents

So your kid's going to be locked in the cellar for most of his life? You need to take them out and socialize them too.

Jul 10, 2011#30

makare

I think the general idea is that some restaurants are family restaurants and it is ok if some aren't.

Maybe the solution is to only take dates to topless steakhouses. Most people wouldn't want to take their kids there so they won't whine if they can't.

It's brilliant!

Jul 10, 2011#31

Mathias

Ok let's get centered here. McDain's Restaurant and Golf Center is not exactly Le Bernardin. It's a geezer diner - a place where they all go after church to talk about whatever it is retired old farts talk about.

If you're taking your date on an exclusive date to a fancy place where the atmosphere has to be magical, McDain's Restaurant and Golf Center should be at the bottom of your list.

I've never heard of people taking their kids to tie and jacket restaurants, and I'm sure they're not allowed to. But a dump like McDain's should cater to kids. The lady in the article had a 20 person party that she had to reorganize because they wouldn't let her bring the kid. That's pretty ridiculous.

And that's the crux of my argument. What kind of places are you guys going that screaming kids ruin your meal? Applebees? If so, then piss off with the complaints.

Jul 10, 2011#32

strawman

It's his restaurant. If he wants to institute a no-young-children zone, why should it bother me? Do people complain that you can't take kids under the drinking age into many bars and dance clubs?

I can control my kids - unless they are actually in pain, they can almost always be distracted quietly in places where they need to be quiet.

Some parents never practice that with their children, or somehow feel that their children should be free to express and conduct themselves however they wish whenever and wherever they want without repercussion. Unfortunately we all get to deal with that, and I'm fine with a restaurant realizing that unless they create a policy, then they won't be able to maintain the atmosphere they desire.

Screaming kids rarely bother me any longer. I might sneak a knowing smile at the afflicted parents, but for the most part it isn't an issue.

However, I wasn't always like that, and I would have found it difficult to date when I was younger if there was a screaming kid in the booth next to me. I would have enjoyed knowing that there were places that could guarantee the atmosphere that I wanted.

Having a policy of kicking families out that have screaming kids, unfortunately, gets taken advantage of. Make the kid scream just prior to receiving the bill, and refuse to pay if you get kicked out. So the only easy way to maintain that atmosphere is to have an age limit.

What I don't get is the sense of entitlement I'm seeing from some - as though the restaurant has no right to set such a rule, that the family should be able to go wherever they like. It speaks to the sense of self-centeredness that seems to have grown up with my generation.

Jul 10, 2011#33

Mathias

Bones said:
Mathias, buddy, pal...its on a COUNTRY CLUB! OF COURSE ITS FOR DOUCHE-BAGS!

It's no country club. It's a cheapo golf course with a mediocre bar and grill.
Added at: 12:48

stienman said:
It's his restaurant. If he wants to institute a no-young-children zone, why should it bother me? Do people complain that you can't take kids under the drinking age into many bars and dance clubs?

I can control my kids - unless they are actually in pain, they can almost always be distracted quietly in places where they need to be quiet.

Some parents never practice that with their children, or somehow feel that their children should be free to express and conduct themselves however they wish whenever and wherever they want without repercussion. Unfortunately we all get to deal with that, and I'm fine with a restaurant realizing that unless they create a policy, then they won't be able to maintain the atmosphere they desire.

Screaming kids rarely bother me any longer. I might sneak a knowing smile at the afflicted parents, but for the most part it isn't an issue.

However, I wasn't always like that, and I would have found it difficult to date when I was younger if there was a screaming kid in the booth next to me. I would have enjoyed knowing that there were places that could guarantee the atmosphere that I wanted.

Having a policy of kicking families out that have screaming kids, unfortunately, gets taken advantage of. Make the kid scream just prior to receiving the bill, and refuse to pay if you get kicked out. So the only easy way to maintain that atmosphere is to have an age limit.

What I don't get is the sense of entitlement I'm seeing from some - as though the restaurant has no right to set such a rule, that the family should be able to go wherever they like. It speaks to the sense of self-centeredness that seems to have grown up with my generation.

I hate the medicated smell of old people, and it's illegal to put an age limit on restaurants in PA. Why should my meal be ruined with the smell of Ben-Gay and the disgusting sight of watching an old man gum through his mashed- potatoes.

Jul 10, 2011#34

makare

I think he means the one he was at.

Jul 10, 2011#35

strawman

Mathias said:
Why should my meal be ruined with the smell of Ben-Gay and the disgusting sight of watching an old man gum through his mashed- potatoes.

When I get to that stage I'll buy a blendtec blender and simply drink my meals, so I don't disgust you as much. You'll never know if it's a chocolate shake, or a four course thanksgiving meal.

Then I'll change my colostomy bag at the table.

Jul 10, 2011#36

Denbrought

Mathias said:
Why should my meal be ruined with the smell of Ben-Gay and the disgusting sight of watching an old man gum through his mashed- potatoes.

Because

(...) it's illegal to put an age limit on restaurants in PA.

Jul 10, 2011#37

Shakey

You people are annoyed by kids at a restaurant? You're all dead inside. As was said before, teenagers are much more annoying. They're at least supposed to have a filter. I don't think I've ever been bothered by someones kids going a bit crazy before.

Jul 10, 2011#38

sixpackshaker

I generally am not bothered by kids crying in restaurants. Normally restaurants are noisy enough that it is not an issue... until that child is sitting a foot behind me and the parents don't take them out even after they cry for 10 minutes.

Jul 10, 2011#39

Jay

Oh, did our comments put your panties up in a bunch? TOO BAD.

Mathias said:
So your kid's going to be locked in the cellar for most of his life? You need to take them out and socialize them too.

Didn't ask for pre-parenting advice. Either way, I think we'll be able to handle it and I'll still think low of parents bringing kids to resto to annoy us and plan in the most BASTARDLY of ways to get them kicked out.

Jul 10, 2011#40

Dei

http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/keep-the-babies-away-from-me/

(I kind of agree with the teenagers being way more annoying than little kids. Somewhat biased because I've been the mom with the kid throwing a random temper tantrum, but she always shuts up with the threat of leaving.)

Jul 10, 2011#41

IronBrig4

Yeah, teenagers can be annoying too. I know waitresses who HATE the gangs of teens that show up on Friday nights. Two or three teenagers are okay, but I'm talking about the huge packs of ten or more. They constantly switch the seating arrangement, take forever to order, make a lot of noise, and don't really know how to tip because they're used to having their parents pay the bill.

Jul 10, 2011#42

Dei

While going through a drive through today, a car full of 5 teenagers sat in the line behind me yelled out their windows "HURRY UP" over and over again, while giggling in their car in between like they were the masters of comedy.

I remember when I was that dumb. But I try not to.

Jul 11, 2011#43

North_Ranger

I have to admit, it's not always even teenagers that can be loud. In the Medieval Market we have this tradition that about a week before the show starts (usually around the time when we first rehearse in our costumes), some of us of-legal-drink-age go on a night out after rehearsals, to a dinner in some nice place. Last year, we went to a steakhouse, and ended up being rowdy enough that a group of soccer fanatics switched to the other side of the restaurant because of us. Funny ^^

This year, we went to a bit more fancy restaurant. You know, three-course meals and such. We were a slightly older group now, so I didn't expect much to happen. Well... one or two of the ladies got tipsy as hell, one of the man accidentally broke a glass and cut himself, another accidentally set his bill on fire. And apparently we were loud enough that after sorbet had been served and the bills were paid, we were asked to leave. Not so funny.

Jul 11, 2011#44

Cajungal

This is why staying in and cooking is great. If there are any children in my home, it's my niece--who is an interesting and insightful person--or some lost kid who somehow broke into my apartment.

Jul 11, 2011#45

Chibibar

At restaurant, I don't mind. My nephew is VERY well behave (my sister takes him out often so he is not scared of the outside world) He is 2.

Now I do mine NOISY kids (that including teenager) in movie theaters. I am trying to watch a movie and some kid yammering/crying for 15 minutes during the movie (not previews) bothers me.

Jul 11, 2011#46

Espy

I'm gonna be honest, I don't see it as a big issue, but I think thats because we don't go to many "family" restaurants. It's been years since I've spent much time in places that a parent would actually want to take a little kid too. I don't really care if a place wants to do it, hey, it's their loss if they lose business but it's not something I've ever thought needs to be a major concern.

Jul 11, 2011#47

Chibibar

Espy said:
I'm gonna be honest, I don't see it as a big issue, but I think thats because we don't go to many "family" restaurants. It's been years since I've spent much time in places that a parent would actually want to take a little kid too. I don't really care if a place wants to do it, hey, it's their loss if they lose business but it's not something I've ever thought needs to be a major concern.

I agree. In Texas, there is always a sign that a restaurant has the right to refuse service.

Jul 11, 2011#48

sixpackshaker

Chibibar said:
I agree. In Texas, there is always a sign that a restaurant has the right to refuse service.

In the 60's the Blacks and Hispanics proved that those signs don't hold water.

Jul 11, 2011#49

makare

As long as the signs are not applied generally they should be fine. Like the article said children are not a protected class however "minority races" are.

Jul 11, 2011#50

Chibibar

sixpackshaker said:
In the 60's the Blacks and Hispanics proved that those signs don't hold water.

Well. I don't think any owner can restrict a race to the restaurant but if any family members have some screaming kids, the manager can kick them out (regardless of race)

now if there is a race issue (i.e. ban all Asian) then that is a different ball game

but if I was ban cause I was rowdy but another Asian was allow to stay, then I have no case.

Jul 11, 2011#51

Eriol

If you can't afford to buy a house AND fire insurance for it, then you can't afford to buy a house.

If you can't afford to go out and dine (not at McDonald's, or the like) and afford a babysitter too, then you can't afford to go out.

Same principal.

You are INFLICTING your children on others by taking them with you. Done. Full stop. You can't find a babysitter? Then STAY HOME. It's not your right to inflict your uncontrollable child's crap on everybody else. YOU, the parent, are the one being an asshole by inflicting this on other people. Your child is too young (only from about 4 and under IMO though) to have responsibility, but YOU sure do. Stay home, or find a babysitter. Tough crap if that means you only go out once a month. You decided to have a kid, you deal with it.

If I found out there was a place near where I lived that had this sort of policy, I'd go there whenever I could to support them. But wasn't there a place in the 'states that had a similar policy, except it was "loud children" or something? So not strictly age-based, but if you were found to have loud children, you would be asked to leave. I'm thinking 1-2 years ago it made the news.

Jul 11, 2011#52

CrimsonSoul

I would be much for receptive to a no loud children policy than a no kids allowed policy. Give the parent a chance to resolve the problem should one arise and if they can't calm them down or refuse to take them to a bathroom or outside to calm down then have them leave. This would be much more reasonable in my book.

And Eriol youmust have insane babysitting bills! Babysitter when u need gas or go to the post office or go shopping etc. If thats what I'm suppose to do then I'm the worlds biggest asshole because I takey kids almost everywhere!

Sorry for grammar at work on my phone

Jul 11, 2011#53

Shegokigo

Yeah you missed the point Crimson, he's saying that to take a child (4 and under) to a place where quiet is supposed to be the atmosphere, aka a restaurant or theatre, then you shouldn't go if you can't get babysitting (He's also talking about it from a financial standpoint). I completely get what he's saying. You're taking it a bit far by saying that he meant that a child should never be taken anywhere without a sitter.

Jul 11, 2011#54

Jay

Eriol said:
If you can't afford to buy a house AND fire insurance for it, then you can't afford to buy a house.

If you can't afford to go out and dine (not at McDonald's, or the like) and afford a babysitter too, then you can't afford to go out.

Same principal.

You are INFLICTING your children on others by taking them with you. Done. Full stop. You can't find a babysitter? Then STAY HOME. It's not your right to inflict your uncontrollable child's crap on everybody else. YOU, the parent, are the one being an asshole by inflicting this on other people. Your child is too young (only from about 4 and under IMO though) to have responsibility, but YOU sure do. Stay home, or find a babysitter. Tough crap if that means you only go out once a month. You decided to have a kid, you deal with it.

If I found out there was a place near where I lived that had this sort of policy, I'd go there whenever I could to support them. But wasn't there a place in the 'states that had a similar policy, except it was "loud children" or something? So not strictly age-based, but if you were found to have loud children, you would be asked to leave. I'm thinking 1-2 years ago it made the news.

I have no idea who you are... but I like you already.

Well said.

Jul 11, 2011#55

CrimsonSoul

My 4 year old doesn't even talk at the movies. But then I've only taken him to one (cars 2)

Jul 11, 2011#56

Jay

I have a goldfish.

Jul 11, 2011#57

Espy

Isn't part of what we are dealing with just rude parents here though? There are kids who are super well behaved and when they aren't the parents remove them from the place. The parents who take their kids to a nice place (read: Not Denny's or Applebees) and then proceed to let their kids scream for 30 minutes are rude. Yes, maybe you are trying to teach your kid a lesson but just like a jerk yelling into his cellphone you are disrupting the folks around you.

I would much, MUCH rather see a restaurant ask people to please step outside until their child calms down than have them ban children.

Jul 11, 2011#58

strawman

Eriol said:
Kids should not be allowed outside the home ever.

Praphrased, but honestly you sound like an absolute lunatic. You obviously harken from the 1800's where children should be seen, and not heard.

Jul 11, 2011#59

Espy

stienman said:
Praphrased, but honestly you sound like an absolute lunatic. You obviously harken from the 1800's where children should be seen, and not heard.

Well sure, if you send them to the right school this isn't a problem:

Jul 11, 2011#60

makare

that isn't what I got out of it at all.

Jul 11, 2011#61

strawman

makare said:
that isn't what I got out of it at all.

Eriol said:
You can't find a babysitter? Then STAY HOME.

Jul 11, 2011#62

makare

Batou was talking about going to restaurants not every place on earth.

Jul 11, 2011#63

strawman

makare said:
Batou was talking about going to restaurants not every place on earth.

I know what she's talking about. She was pretty clear that kids belong at mcdonalds, and similar restaurants, but certainly not "real" restaurants.

Jul 11, 2011#64

makare

*shrug* if that's what you choose to get out of it.

Jul 11, 2011#65

Shegokigo

I thought I cleared up his post, why are people still taking it elsewhere?

Jul 11, 2011#66

Eriol

She Steinman? Umm, I'm a dude.

I did like how somebody referred to me as "Batou". Hehe.

And supermarket? I expect kids of all ages. Similar with the Mall, and in fact most public spaces. Hell, I even expect "not a normal theatre experience" if I go to a Pixar movie (it has caused my wife and I to go to other movies on at least one occasion, and went another time, to the LATE showing of Toy Story 3). But I have a problem with small and/or loud children at places above fast-food. If it says "family restaurant" then I give it some leeway, but not a massive amount, depending on the place (in a way, I consider them "training grounds" for restaurants where they have to behave, i.e. everywhere else BUT "family" ones). It says something that we "expect" kids up to even 10 or more to be loud. I know I wasn't, and neither were my brother or sister (yes, 3 of us) at anything approaching those ages. That it's even mildly socially acceptable is an even worse sign IMO.

As before though, the problem is the parents. The screaming works, the kids learn this, and so it continues. And then the parents are inconsiderate by inflicting their known badly-behaved children on the rest of us.

Jul 11, 2011#67

LittleSin

Dude, I just did a whole course about how to teach my child to speak (he is on the delayed side when it comes to this) and, yeh, kids ARE expected to be fucking loud. You have to teach them not to be but kids hear things differently then adults. A child's hearing isn't fully developed until they are 10-12 years old so they speak louder because they genuinely can't hear themselves!

I'm not saying I wouldn't take my child out of a public place if he is pitching a fit. I have and I will continue to do so...but saying that kids are expected to be loud because their asshole parents let them be...well that's just stupid.

Jul 11, 2011#68

strawman

Eriol said:
She Steinman? Umm, I'm a dude.

Sorry dude. I know a girl with a similar sounding name to your forum username, and I'm not good at remembering the individual traits of people around here, so I'll also apologize now for future mistakes I'll make in this regard...

Eriol said:
the parents are inconsiderate by inflicting their known badly-behaved children on the rest of us.

This I can agree with. Badly behaved children are a symptom, and inconsiderate parents are the problem. Such parents can ruin an evening for a lot of other people who just want to enjoy themselves.

Saying that you cannot take your children to a restaurant above "family" grade under any circumstances is something I do not agree with.

I do, however, believe restaurants should be allowed to set rules regarding children if they want to, and allowing market forces to enrich or bankrupt them based on how their clientele react to those rules.

Of course, my viewpoint is severely skewed - I enjoy children, and recently an older gentleman came to our table at the last non-family restaurant we went to and spent some considerable time complimenting us on our family and how well behaved our children are. Then he told us about his grandchildren, so I'm sure his viewpoint was skewed as well, but I still maintain that any child can behave with appropriate use of technology.

Jul 11, 2011#69

Bones

stienman said:
but I still maintain that any child can behave with appropriate use of technology.

I hope you are joking, if not, I pity you sir, pity you like no other.

Jul 11, 2011#70

IronBrig4

At first I was like :eek:

But then I was like

Sometimes I think our flights would be a lot more pleasant if we put toddlers in the cargo compartment along with the dogs.

What?

Jul 11, 2011#71

strawman

Bones said:
I hope you are joking, if not, I pity you sir, pity you like no other.

You should take none of my postings on this board seriously.

I am very, very fortunate to have kids which listen to reason and require very little in the way of punishment - on the level of sitting in time out.

I may revisit the shock collars when they are teenagers...

Jul 11, 2011#72

Hailey Knight

IronBrig4 said:
At first I was like

But then I was like

Sometimes I think our flights would be a lot more pleasant if we put toddlers in the cargo compartment along with the dogs.

What?

I always feel bad for the dogs. I'd feel worse for them if they had to be next to screaming children.

Jul 11, 2011#73

Chad Sexington

stienman said:
I may revisit the shock collars when they are teenagers...

This explains why the LDS families I know are tight-knit. They're not happy: they're afraid!

Jul 11, 2011#74

strawman

Chad Sexington said:
This explains why the LDS families I know are tight-knit. They're not happy: they're afraid!

Jul 11, 2011#75

Eriol

stienman said:

My wife will never EVER let me build a tesla coil anywhere on any property we own together.

Jul 11, 2011#76

Chad Sexington

The Mormons control lightning! :aaah:

Jul 12, 2011#77

Denbrought

IronBrig4 said:
Sometimes I think our flights would be a lot more pleasant if we put toddlers in the cargo compartment along with the dogs.

After the one 10-hour flight I had where a baby was wailing for over half of it, I don't travel without a pair of earplugs in my jacket's pocket.

Jul 12, 2011#78

LordRendar

Get yourself some Valium prescribed.Then one of those Neck Brace Pillows. Pop one and wake up when you arrive.But yeah,flying coach on long distance flights is hell,if there is a baby on board.

Jul 12, 2011#79

Mathias

Eriol said:
She Steinman? Umm, I'm a dude.

I did like how somebody referred to me as "Batou". Hehe.

And supermarket? I expect kids of all ages. Similar with the Mall, and in fact most public spaces. Hell, I even expect "not a normal theatre experience" if I go to a Pixar movie (it has caused my wife and I to go to other movies on at least one occasion, and went another time, to the LATE showing of Toy Story 3). But I have a problem with small and/or loud children at places above fast-food. If it says "family restaurant" then I give it some leeway, but not a massive amount, depending on the place (in a way, I consider them "training grounds" for restaurants where they have to behave, i.e. everywhere else BUT "family" ones). It says something that we "expect" kids up to even 10 or more to be loud. I know I wasn't, and neither were my brother or sister (yes, 3 of us) at anything approaching those ages. That it's even mildly socially acceptable is an even worse sign IMO.

As before though, the problem is the parents. The screaming works, the kids learn this, and so it continues. And then the parents are inconsiderate by inflicting their known badly-behaved children on the rest of us.

Yep, it's obvious you don't have kids, and don't know shit. Sometimes the screaming continues even if you punish them. Some kids are a handful. I get that, and I'm willing to just ignore it because I know the parents are either embarrassed over it and are at their whits end. You say they're assholes for bring their kid to a restaurant. I say you're an asshole for not having any empathy. Just suck it up, and eat your damn Applebees platter.

What kind of restaurants are we talking about here, guys? NO ONE ever takes their kids to a tie and jacket place. It's just not done, and I don't think most of those places even allow children. Really, if you're bitching over a kid acting up at TGI Fridays, Red Robbin, Outback, or a pizza joint, you need your head reexamined.

The reason this thread is irking me is because I hate it when people without kids think they know the answers to raising them right. Yeah, you're a pro at child discipline and behavior.

Added at: 07:14

LordRendar said:
Get yourself some Valium prescribed.Then one of those Neck Brace Pillows. Pop one and wake up when you arrive.But yeah,flying coach on long distance flights is hell,if there is a baby on board.

Yeah, but that's not at all like the restaurant issue. Or would some of you childless ultra-parents suggest a babysitter option for travel too? Hell, why even go anywhere with your kids. Just leave them in a box at home until they're 18.

Jul 12, 2011#80

LordRendar

I never said that it had anything to do with the restarant issue.I was just replying to Denboroughs post.
I also never in any way implied to leave your kids at home when you travel.But it is hell,bring trapped in a metal tube,with no escape,having to hear children crying for 8 or more hours.
Thats why "I" take something to calm my nerves and sleep trough it most of the time.

For the restaurant,I dont really care.I frequent Sushi Bars or Restaurants that are a little more upscale and usually in the Evening.I never had a child in one of those places.If I eat at McD's, Pizza Hut or a Family Restaurant,sure,there are kids and they are gonna probably be loud,but I knew that there was a chance of that happening before I came in. So I dont think I have the right to tell the Parents to shut their children up. (unless they are ignoring the kid,while it is bawling their eyes out.)

Jul 12, 2011#81

Bones

yeah, I have never had a problem with kids in restaurants. my original post mostly had to do with the fact if the guy running the place doesn't want kids, thats his choice.
in regards to your advice about planes, I need to look into that the next time I travel, probably the premier way to make it through a flight.

Jul 12, 2011#82

Eriol

I still don't get how people are completely resigned to the idea of really loud/screaming kids when they're above 3 or 4. Below, OK, that's life, but therefore you shouldn't be taking them out in the first place beyond McD's. I can't believe you put "Outback" in your list there Rendar. It's not black-tie, but it's still a sit-down meal.

Inflicting your screaming kids on others is NOT an OK thing. Leave them at home. Others are trying to eat in peace.

Jul 12, 2011#83

LordRendar

Outback? What is that?

Jul 12, 2011#84

Bones

outback steakhouse, it was Mathias that did. he just missed it

Jul 12, 2011#85

Denbrought

LordRendar said:
Get yourself some Valium prescribed.Then one of those Neck Brace Pillows. Pop one and wake up when you arrive.But yeah,flying coach on long distance flights is hell,if there is a baby on board.

Valium sounds expensive, and I don't know any crooked medics that'd prescribe it to me anyway

Wait I do have a brother with a brand new degree... HMMMMMMMMMM

Jul 12, 2011#86

makare

This isn't about raising kids at all. It is about people without kids or people with kids who want a night without them having the right to not want them around.

Jul 12, 2011#87

Jay

Love how some folks are "I'm a parent and I'm bum hurt by this. You don't have kids so your point is clearly invalid. Deal with it.".

Fuck off.

I deal with it every single time I go to a decent resto and have the misfortune that a bad parent decided to bring their bratty child out. After the 2nd annoyance coming from their table I usually call the waiter and tell him I will have none of that and ask him politely to do something about it. I always get it my way either in the form of a table change (which I'll perform and have direct eye contact with the parents at the table), get their table changed, get freebies from the house heck even free meals... or in one case confront them if they weren't willing to do anything about it.

This last case was special. After enduring the first 15 minutes of a child crying and being COMPLETELY IGNORED by their parents more interested in having their romantic conversation. Other tables clearly looking annoyed as well with many of them giving dirty looks. I eventually got up from my table while we were quickly discussing another resto to go to for the evening, walked over, stood over them and called my friend at my table and started talking loudly on the phone while I towered over the parents. They looked at me perplexed while I was there as I was in my conversation. My friend over at our table was in tears over it. They tried to ask what I was doing but I ignored them, pretending to be engrossed in my useless conversation. When I eventually hung up on him after 3-4 minutes, I looked down while the family was staring up at me, transfixed by what they saw. The nearby tables were quiet and even at this point the little infant was perplexed as well and was finally quiet.

I said: "Are you annoyed? Good. Now you know how our table feels over there along with every table around you (everyone was at this point staring at this table) with your child making so much noise and the shitty service in this joint won't budge a finger to do a thing about it." pause for dramatic effect "I figured I needed to find a way for you to realize how much of an inconvenience this situation is for a lot of other people who didn't expect to be your babysitters tonight."

I walked back to my table and sat down.

They left 5 minutes later after their bill was paid and their food stuffed in a box. The woman was shamefully embarrassed and looked the ground and the man gave me a heavy angry look. I shrugged. The wine tasted great and I got several approving nods from people from the other tables.

I don't have much sympathy when you bring kids to a resto beyond the audience for it. I don't usually go to a suit and tie resto nor should I be forced to. I'm sorry you folks are bum hurt about it. However, I don't have to have to endure your poor decisions.

More restos should enforce this policy.

If you don't agree with this, it doesn't fucken matter to me.

Jul 12, 2011#88

strawman

In other news, local area man expects to live in personal bubble, completely unaffected by the unpleasant aspects of living in a human colony, and is upset when that carefully crafted bubble of self-centeredness is burst.

Jul 12, 2011#89

Espy

Hmm. It sounds like you need to start working on a more solid and less burst prone bubble Stienman. Kickstart THAT.

Jul 12, 2011#90

IronBrig4

Other businesses have tried similar things. This article is old but it still shows the over-inflated sense of entitlement that many modern American parents have. It also highlights the divide between parents and non-parents. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/09/n...311&ex=1289192400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Threatening to sue just because an upscale business wants kids to behave? It's a very simple concept; if you can't stop smoking then you either leave or go to a smoking section. Similarly, if you can't keep your kids in line then you leave and allow others to eat in peace. Again, I'm not talking about Denny's or TGI Friday's. I know that some parents are at the end of their line when their kid acts up at dinner so I'm willing to let it slide at family restaurants.

By the way, in Texas I've noticed parents bringing their kids into the bars. WTF? These aren't bars and grills, but straight up BARS.

Jul 12, 2011#91

makare

We don't have any suit tie restaurants around here but it would still be nice to have a no kid zone restaurant.

Jul 12, 2011#92

Espy

IronBrig4 said:
By the way, in Texas I've noticed parents bringing their kids into the bars. WTF? These aren't bars and grills, but straight up BARS.

Well do you have a better place to go drink? Huh? No. You don't.

Jul 12, 2011#93

sixpackshaker

IronBrig4 said:
By the way, in Texas I've noticed parents bringing their kids into the bars. WTF? These aren't bars and grills, but straight up BARS.

Well, you have to see your kid at least once a week...

Jul 12, 2011#94

strawman

sixpackshaker said:
Well, you have to see your kid at least once a week...

Jul 12, 2011#95

Mathias

Jay said:
Love how some folks are "I'm a parent and I'm bum hurt by this. You don't have kids so your point is clearly invalid. Deal with it.".

Fuck off.

I deal with it every single time I go to a decent resto and have the misfortune that a bad parent decided to bring their bratty child out. After the 2nd annoyance coming from their table I usually call the waiter and tell him I will have none of that and ask him politely to do something about it. I always get it my way either in the form of a table change (which I'll perform and have direct eye contact with the parents at the table), get their table changed, get freebies from the house heck even free meals... or in one case confront them if they weren't willing to do anything about it.

This last case was special. After enduring the first 15 minutes of a child crying and being COMPLETELY IGNORED by their parents more interested in having their romantic conversation. Other tables clearly looking annoyed as well with many of them giving dirty looks. I eventually got up from my table while we were quickly discussing another resto to go to for the evening, walked over, stood over them and called my friend at my table and started talking loudly on the phone while I towered over the parents. They looked at me perplexed while I was there as I was in my conversation. My friend over at our table was in tears over it. They tried to ask what I was doing but I ignored them, pretending to be engrossed in my useless conversation. When I eventually hung up on him after 3-4 minutes, I looked down while the family was staring up at me, transfixed by what they saw. The nearby tables were quiet and even at this point the little infant was perplexed as well and was finally quiet.

I said: "Are you annoyed? Good. Now you know how our table feels over there along with every table around you (everyone was at this point staring at this table) with your child making so much noise and the shitty service in this joint won't budge a finger to do a thing about it." pause for dramatic effect "I figured I needed to find a way for you to realize how much of an inconvenience this situation is for a lot of other people who didn't expect to be your babysitters tonight."

I walked back to my table and sat down.

They left 5 minutes later after their bill was paid and their food stuffed in a box. The woman was shamefully embarrassed and looked the ground and the man gave me a heavy angry look. I shrugged. The wine tasted great and I got several approving nods from people from the other tables.

I don't have much sympathy when you bring kids to a resto beyond the audience for it. I don't usually go to a suit and tie resto nor should I be forced to. I'm sorry you folks are bum hurt about it. However, I don't have to have to endure your poor decisions.

More restos should enforce this policy.

If you don't agree with this, it doesn't fucken matter to me.

Before I had little imps of my own, I thought in this same manner. Now I'm willing to give parents at a restaurant the benefit of the doubt. How annoying a kid is is a subjective issue. Everyone has their own tolerance to that sort of thing. A kid could be a perfect angel in the eyes of certain people, while other people will think he's a brat.

I'm pretty sure the couple in your story was fully aware of the situation, and probably embarrassed as hell before you showed up to act like a jackass. Tell me, what are you supposed to do? Everyone is so fucking judgmental about how to raise other people's kids that as new parents, a lot of people are confused and just flustered as to how to act when their kid goes ape-shit.

Should you ignore the kid and hope he settles down? That seems to draw ire from people like you.

Should you take the kid out and spank them? That'll definetly piss someone off.

Should you take them out and yell at them? Piss another group off.

What happens when the threats and punishments fail? It's not fun being at that end of the spectrum. But it's a part of being a parent. Something people without kids, just don't and won't get and empathize with until they have little monsters of their own.

Realize that those people are paying customers too. Let's swing the judgmental pendulum the other way. What makes you so special that the entire restaurant needs to adhere to what you consider a reasonable volume?

No. The best thing I've learned as a parent is to not give a flying fuck about dirty looks and judgements about my style of parenting. If that had been me at the table you made a fool of yourself to, I'd have told you to fuck off and buy some ear plugs, or stay at home and eat your dinner in a padded room.

I'm still confused at what's considered a decent restaurant. I won't ever take my kids to a black tie place, or exclusive restaurant. If the place requires you to wear a button down shirt and slacks, then, no kids allowed. A steakhouse, bar and grill, Applebees, Chilies, Olive Garden type place is NOT a fancy restaurant. Kids are perfectly acceptable in that atmosphere. I'd suggest that if you don't like kids ruining your evening, ante the hell up and pay more than 50 dollars for your meal - you get what you pay for.

Getting back to the OP article. That place is NOT a fancy restaurant. It's a bar and grill clubhouse. Kids should be perfectly ok to eat there. I, however, don't give a crap about their policy, they just wouldn't get my business.

Jul 12, 2011#96

Shegokigo

Telling him to "Ante the fuck up and pay more than 50" sounds exactly like the counter argument "Don't go out to eat if you can't afford a babysitter" :confused:

Jul 12, 2011#97

Mathias

Shegokigo said:
Telling him to "Ante the fuck up and pay more than 50" sounds exactly like the counter argument "Don't go out to eat if you can't afford a babysitter"

Yeah, that was my point.

Jul 12, 2011#98

Shegokigo

So the point was he is right?

Jul 12, 2011#99

Mathias

Shegokigo said:
So the point was he is right?

The point is that restaurant ambiance is a subjective thing. People have different tolerance to annoyance. And that telling other people how to raise their kids makes you an asshole.

Jul 12, 2011#100

Shegokigo

Agreed completely.

I still would go to a "No Children Under 5" restaurant over one that allows them, with all things else the same. (Menu/Prices etc)

Jul 12, 2011#101

CrimsonSoul

What I'm wondering was if the kid atthe restaurant was autistic and there was really nothing the parents could have done to calm him down. But I agree you were an asshole for that just like the parents were, from your story, for not attempting to calm the child. Either way two assholes don't make a right.

Jul 18, 2011#102

strawman

Relevant, whether true or not, it's still hilarious and horrifying at the same time (strong language warning):

<Anonymous> Now, I’m sure many of you have encountered little shits in supermarkets. Little kids running about and knocking things over, being rude, walking all over their parents, you know the kind. But the worst are the biters. Yes, those little cunts that feel it is okay to bite you whenever they feel like it.
<Anonymous> Okay, here’s the best part. A biter got me today when I was grocery stopping. He broke the fucking skin, too. This was when the gears started turning, the moment I saw a tiny sprickle of blood on the little shit’s teeth as he was grinning at me like the little cunt he is. I made my eyes get wide, and started screaming “SHIT! SHIT!.” Now, my good friend, Tom we’ll call him, was there too, and he instantly picked up on it. He started shouting “FUCK! MAYBE HE DIDN’T GET IT! FUCK!.” By now, the kid is scared shitless and starts crying, and instantly, Mizz Mom appears out of nowhere and starts getting pissy at us for yelling at her kid.
<Anonymous> Here’s the kicker, I look her straight in the eye and say, “Mam, get your son tested as soon as possible, he just bit me and I’m… I’m FUCKING HIV POSITIVE.”
<Anonymous> And now there is silence. Not a peep in the entire store. The brat knows he just fucked up big time because his mom isn’t defending his ass. She just stares at me wide eyed. I walk away from them, buy my shit from the wide eyed cashier, all the while blood is dripping from my calf, making a nice little trail on the floor. And, just s we leave, we start to hear the mother sobbing. Sobbing like the cunt she is.
<Anonymous> I have never felt any more satisfaction than the moment I heard that sob.

From http://bash.org/?777977

Jul 18, 2011#103

makare

I read that a while back and just rolled my eyes. What exactly was gained by acting like that? Sometimes adults are worse than kids.

Jul 18, 2011#104

sixpackshaker

makare said:
I read that a while back and just rolled my eyes. What exactly was gained by acting like that? Sometimes adults are worse than kids.

Hopefully it will teach the kid not to bite, and the mother to be a mother.

Of course, that never happened.

Jul 18, 2011#105

makare

No she probably just went home thinking "asshole trying to tell me how to raise my kid! I bet he doesn't even have kids himself. Prick!"

Jul 18, 2011#106

sixpackshaker

Or thinking, thank God that Punk did not kick my little darling across the store...

Jul 18, 2011#107

makare

You know, now that I think about it, both people in this situation deserved each other. The jerk deserved to be bitten and the mom deserved to be treated like a twat.

This is a beautiful story.

Jul 18, 2011#108

Cajungal

Man, I wanted to ban kids from the restaurant today...

There's a family that comes in once a week--two really bitter-looking parents and three horrible little boys. I don't mind kids who run to our ice cream machine (they're just excited), laugh loudly, or like to get up out of their seats every now and then. That's just a kid being a kid, and usually it's pretty controlled behavior. But these boys shove chairs around the restaurant floor, punch each other, squirt our sopapilla syrup all over the table, and tear up napkins and throw them around. They are horrible, and if I were the manager, I'd tell those parents to control their kids so that people around them can enjoy their meals... or else find somewhere else to unleash their hellish little brood. People request not to sit near them every time they're in, and it ruins our lunch hour by making about 4-5 tables unavailable. While these boys tear up our restaurant, the dead-eyed adults just sit there gorging themselves on fajitas, not even attempting to make them stop. I. Hate. Them.

Jul 19, 2011#109

IronBrig4

Fast forward to about 45 seconds in, and it's exactly what we're talking about. I can't believe it took me this long to remember this episode.

And the whole "dead-eyed parent" thing is something that always stands out. It's like the thousand yard stare.

Jul 19, 2011#110

CrimsonSoul

Cajun... What's the name of the restaurant u work at!

Jul 19, 2011#111

Bones

haha, the thing I don't understand is, my parents never needed to hit me, nor did their requests to behave seem unreasonable. I mean we all have our "bad" moments, but usually I was pretty good. so why are kids brats?

Jul 19, 2011#112

Tress

Bones said:
haha, the thing I don't understand is, my parents never needed to hit me, nor did their requests to behave seem unreasonable. I mean we all have our "bad" moments, but usually I was pretty good. so why are kids brats?

I made a comment similar to this to my dad the other day. His response was, "Kids aren't born as brats. Parents raise them that way." I think he's right. Usually it's overindulgent parents worried about hurting their child's feelings. If a kid is raised well, but the time he's going out to restaurants he already knows better than to act up.

But what do I know... I don't have kids of my own. I guess I can't comment on anything having to do with parenting.

Jul 19, 2011#113

Bones

I understand, I was simply observing and seeing if the posters with children had insight.

Jul 19, 2011#114

makare

I don't know. I was a terror. I mean I was really naughty. I didn't have trouble in restaurants but other places, like home, I was a nightmare. I turned out fine.

Jul 19, 2011#115

North_Ranger

makare said:
You know, now that I think about it, both people in this situation deserved each other. The jerk deserved to be bitten and the mom deserved to be treated like a twat.

This is a beautiful story.

I don't know, Mak. I can't really believe some guy just going to the convenience store would deserve to be bitten. What he did was probably enough to send the mom into panic, but hey, that could have really happened. What if the next guy the little terror bit actually was HIV positive?

Hell, I'd do something like that if I wouldn't have such a demeanor that little children usually avoid me like a plague.

Jul 19, 2011#116

makare

I guess my philosophy in life is not to try and act worse than other people. I mean he didn't say to the lady "your son bit me!" to find out how she would actually handle it, or anything like that he just decided that she must deserve to be treated badly. Naughty children are a pain in the ass but they are still children. Adults should know how to handle situations better than this jackass did.

Jul 19, 2011#117

Chibibar

A lot of advice I give about parenting came from my parents (but I personally don't have kids yet) I talk with my parents about it, in Asian culture, if the kids is acting it IS the parent's fault.
My parents made sure that I behave in public places or I don't get to go to public places. (which in my case a lot of fun places)

Jul 19, 2011#118

Mathias

Chibibar said:
A lot of advice I give about parenting came from my parents (but I personally don't have kids yet) I talk with my parents about it, in Asian culture, if the kids is acting it IS the parent's fault.
My parents made sure that I behave in public places or I don't get to go to public places. (which in my case a lot of fun places)

Ah Asian parenting. Nothing like using shame and fear to make a nice, loyal little robot.

Jul 19, 2011#119

strawman

If you like messy things, doctor. If you like organize things, engineer. See? Both personality type covered.

You be fine, don't worry.

Jul 19, 2011#120

sixpackshaker

It would have been better if the mother was quick on her feet.

"Don't worry Billy can't get HIV, ...again."

Jul 19, 2011#121

Jiarn

From the fact that her child was running around biting people, I doubt she had the intelligence to come up with a retort.

Jul 19, 2011#122

sixpackshaker

Jul 19, 2011#123

Cajungal

IronBrig4 said:
Fast forward to about 45 seconds in, and it's exactly what we're talking about. I can't believe it took me this long to remember this episode.

And the whole "dead-eyed parent" thing is something that always stands out. It's like the thousand yard stare.

HAH! I love that opening.

Jul 20, 2011#124

North_Ranger

sixpackshaker said:

No matter how many times I see that commercial, I still keep liking it.

Jul 21, 2011#125

IronBrig4

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/airplane_layout

Apparently the Oatmeal agrees with me, at least regarding the storage of babies on an airplane. I was also reading an interview with that flight attendant who freaked out on a passenger last summer, and he says that a lot of stupid parents will leave dirty diapers in their seat backs. :eek:

Jul 21, 2011#126

HCGLNS

stienman said:
Relevant, whether true or not, it's still hilarious and horrifying at the same time (strong language warning):

From http://bash.org/?777977

Wow and I thought my Santa Claus stunt was evil.

Jul 21, 2011#127

Hailey Knight

HCGLNS said:
Wow and I thought my Santa Claus stunt was evil.

...Tell us.

Also: saw that Bash thing years ago; can't comprehend how Makare thinks that guy deserved to be bitten out of nowhere.

Jul 21, 2011#128

Chad Sexington

Quotemander Prime said:
...Tell us.

Also: saw that Bash thing years ago; can't comprehend how Makare thinks that guy deserved to be bitten out of nowhere.

She means a person who is of the character that would assume the mother would've defended her child without even giving her a chance deserves to be bitten.

Jul 21, 2011#129

strawman

Quotemander Prime said:
that guy deserved to be bitten

Sounds like Nick's prom night.

Jul 21, 2011#130

HCGLNS

A pair of young kids was acting out of control at the supermarket and being annoying pests at the check out. So just as the brats and "mother" were leaving, I picked up a copy of the newspaper and shouted "Holy Shit! Santa Claus found dead in Florida brothel! Christmas at risk of being cancelled!"

It was mid-November.

Jul 21, 2011#131

strawman

Chad Sexington said:
She means a person who is of the character that would assume the mother would've defended her child without even giving her a chance deserves to be bitten.

Interesting. You punish someone for a crime they would only commit due to your punishment.

That's more twisted than a tornado in a trailer park.

Jul 21, 2011#132

Chad Sexington

stienman said:
Interesting. You punish someone for a crime they would only commit due to your punishment.

That's more twisted than a tornado in a trailer park.

*shrug* That's not exactly how I interpret the argument, and I don't agree with her argument anyway, but I think it's more like "His jerkish behaviour implies he's a jerk and jerks deserve to be bitten." It's not even a crime, it's his character. But! I cannot really speak for her mind, just how I understood her argument.

Jul 21, 2011#133

Hailey Knight

stienman said:
Interesting. You punish someone for a crime they would only commit due to your punishment.

That's more twisted than a tornado in a trailer park.

Added at: 21:07

Chad Sexington said:
*shrug* That's not exactly how I interpret the argument, and I don't agree with her argument anyway, but I think it's more like "His jerkish behaviour implies he's a jerk and jerks deserve to be bitten." It's not even a crime, it's his character. But! I cannot really speak for her mind, just how I understood her argument.

Both of those sound really stupid.

Jul 21, 2011#134

strawman

Chad Sexington said:
"His jerkish behaviour implies he's a jerk and jerks deserve to be bitten."

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I don't see how this is different. The punishment for being a jerk was administered well before it was established that he was a jerk. In fact, had the punishment not been administered, one might never have discovered that he was a jerk.

But I'm not trying to interpret what everyone here is saying, I'm just toying with that concept which was only hinted at in the above discussion.
Added at: 21:12

Quotemander Prime said:
Added at: 21:07

Both of those sound really stupid.

Jul 22, 2011#135

makare

I was really just kidding but since my first thought was I hope that guy actually gets aids that would probably have been more objectionable.

Jul 22, 2011#136

Hailey Knight

makare said:
I was really just kidding but since my first thought was I hope that guy actually gets aids that would probably have been more objectionable.

...yeah.

Jul 22, 2011#137

Mathias

makare said:
I was really just kidding but since my first thought was I hope that guy actually gets aids that would probably have been more objectionable.

Dude, you're a dick.

Jul 22, 2011#138

makare

maybe but only to asshole adults and never to children.

Jul 22, 2011#139

CrimsonSoul

I still wanna know the name of the place Cajun works

Jul 22, 2011#140

Cajungal

Posados. It's a chain.

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