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The girlfriend and I are just watching Firefly. Me for the 3rd time, she enjoys the series the very first time. And she loves it.

And the question rose again: Why did those faithless basterds of aliance scum at FOX cancle this jewel amongst TV-Shows? Why did they such a cruel thing to us, who were mesmerized by the sheer beauty of the title song, brought to tears of joy by the cast?

Why oh why haven't the people at FOX responsible for the cancelation of this show been lynched? And by lynched I mean dismembered, having their skin ripped from their flesh and then bathed in a barrel of tabasco sauce?

Okay browncoats, show me your fanboyisch love for this greatest show that has ever been produced!

It's Fox. They don't have reasons for what they do. The board members consist of 10 chimpanzees throwing feces at a wall with show names on it.

Just for your information, I will find out who votes "good riddance" and hunt em down, then having them shot for "collaboration with the alliance".



j/k

Simple: The Big 4 don't have faith in a hard sci-fi show appealing to the mass market enough to justify putting it in a time slot... and to be perfectly honest, in a lot of ways, they are right.

AshburnerX said:

Simple: The Big 4 don't have faith in a hard sci-fi show appealing to the mass market enough to justify putting it in a time slot... and to be perfectly honest, in a lot of ways, they are right.

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But in one way they were wrong. They were proven wrong with the numbers of DVDs sold. :humph:

Don't take me too serious, I'm just sulking, because the girlfriend and I are allready at episode 12 now, with only two more and the movie to go. It's just so unfair. We're enjoying the hell out of this show, but with the knowledge that it has been cancelled and we only have so little to watch before us, that makes me sad.

Oh, and come to speak of the movie... I am sooooo looking forward to her reaction the "Walsh-Scene", hehehe...

And come to think of it... I should have better posted this thread in the Movie/TV section. My bad... Waiter, ähr, Admin, could you kindly move this thread to it's correct place?

Three words: Torgo's Executive Powder.

*scribbles 'Order Firefly DVD box' on Saturday's To Do List*

...

*scribbles 'Watch Serenity on DVD' on today's To Do List*

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrAS20mNZUE[/ame]

*sniff* :tear:

Andi said:

But in one way they were wrong. They were proven wrong with the numbers of DVDs sold. :humph:

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And were proven right by the movie sales... and those DVD sales were barely a blip on the Radar. The sales were nowhere near the resurgence a single season of Futurama or Family Guy, or to go into the same genre, Battlestar Galactica, saw on dvd.

AshburnerX;252590][quote=Andi said:

But in one way they were wrong. They were proven wrong with the numbers of DVDs sold. :humph:

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And were proven right by the movie sales... and those DVD sales were barely a blip on the Radar. The sales were nowhere near the resurgence a single season of Futurama or Family Guy, or to go into the same genre, Battlestar Galactica, saw on dvd.[/QUOTE]

Bah, you can't take the sky from me!

:smug:

The cost-per-episode didn't line up right with the ratings-per-episode. The same reason anything is cancelled. Voted good riddance because you called it a masterpiece.

Charlie Dont Surf said:

The cost-per-episode didn't line up right with the ratings-per-episode. The same reason anything is cancelled. Voted good riddance because you called it a masterpiece.

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the browncoat lynch-trial is already waiting for you...

It's a good show, and it was a shame that it didn't work out! But a masterpiece? No. Fox execs aren't monsters, they just don't give some shows time to gain more viewers like other networks have done in the past (Seinfeld, Cheers, 30 Rock)

Charlie Dont Surf said:

It's a good show, and it was a shame that it didn't work out! But a masterpiece? No. Fox execs aren't monsters, they just don't give some shows time to gain more viewers like other networks have done in the past (Seinfeld, Cheers, 30 Rock)

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I have to object on this one. In my humble opinion, this show had everything a masterpiece needed.
Cast: Very well casted actors for their corresponding roles, played with "heart". And the chemistry between the actors was just perfect.
Story: Very promising. The backstory with the alliance, what they did to river, the reavers etc... the Show was just in the beginning and wasn't even given time to play out the story.
Special F/X: Not too many, not too little and the scenario was something really new, really fresh.
Sound: Wow... I just love the music of this show! It has something so familiar yet new, and really catches on.

In my opinion (read that again: in my opinion) it had everything what a masterpiece required. For me, I was immediately hooked with the show after seeing the pilot, and that's something only a masterpiece of a show can achieve.

Oh well... here we go again, arguing over personal tastes.

Actually, I think you're arguing the same point. Firefly was a good show to be sure, but not yeat a masterpiece, much in the way Buffy season one was a good show, but pales in comparison with later seasons. The show had great potential, and could have turned into a masterpiece. It wasn't given time.

Edit: Sorry I forgot to make a smart-ass remark in my post. I'm busy and will try harder next time.

I think that Fox is THE network when it comes to "brilliant but cancelled" shows.

Firefly
The Critic (yes, I know it was second hand from ABC, but they only gave it one season)
Futurama
Family Guy (yes, the brilliant in this show is HIGHLY debatable)
Arrested Development
Etc...

It's like they WANT to be known as the good show killers. Maybe that's why they're giving Dollhouse a second season, just to try and break that streak of letting money slip right through their fingers.

Joss wanted to make a sci fi drama, Fox wanted a bang bang action shootemup with a dash of comedy, made him change some elements of the show and air them out of order. Thus, it got canned right when it was really starting to get good.

Bowielee said:

letting money slip right through their fingers.

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With the exception of Family Guy, all those moves saved Fox money. Good shows aren't always huge commercial successes.

I'll never forgive FOX for cancelling The Tick live-action series.

I miss Firefly so much




And the live action Tick series was hilarious I am mad they got rid of it as well.

It's no secret that I'm a huge fan of these series.

Awhile back, my fiancee asked me why I kept watching the same episodes over the years on my PC. I challenged her and said... "Tell you what, let's start watching the show together and if you don't get addicted to the show by episode 6... I'll do the dishes and laundry for the entire month."

To this she agreed. She started watching and did her damnest not to show that by episode 5 she was in love with the series. In the end, she became a huge fan herself. Jane cracks her up every time he speaks.

It's unfair on what happened with this show and I have stopped watching anything Fox related for years. I'm glad a movie was done but it's too little, too late. I would have enjoyed if the show has a solid run of at least 3-4 seasons and a sexy long run of 6-7. But.. 1... really? Shows come into their own by the 2 to 3rd season. I doubt the numbers were that bad.

This is why you shouldn't do business with Fox. Fuck them.

You're giving Fox too much credit. They didn't do one season - they cut them off part way through the first.

AshburnerX said:

And were proven right by the movie sales... and those DVD sales were barely a blip on the Radar. The sales were nowhere near the resurgence a single season of Futurama or Family Guy, or to go into the same genre, Battlestar Galactica, saw on dvd.

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All three shows you compared it to had multiple seasons. Even if a single season of those shows sold better, they had a longer time to build an audience. Have other single season shows done as well as Firefly?

Whoa... there were Serenity comics?

*checks ads*

Yeah, didn't they know on the 11th episode or so that the show was canceled?

Castle is far more entertaining.

Good riddance.

FOX SUCKS THE COCK. ALL OF IT.

I'm Canadian and I hate Americana crap... and I loved this show. If you plan to watch it, watch the first few episodes (at least 4-5) before you give up on it. It gets better on the 2nd part of the show.

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Gruebeard said:

Castle is far more entertaining.

Good riddance.

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Goddamn, you're annoying. What do both shows have to do with eachother?

Amorous Eyes said:

Never seen the show.
Been meaning too as I love scifi but the more fanboi'ism I see on the net the less I'm inclined to do so.

Their main 'selling point' to try to make me watch it?

It's like cowboys in space!

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....I can't stand cowboys.

Will this show be too American for me?

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Nope, au contraire madame.

Actually... Well, you'll be surprised about the *slightly* social-critical tone of this show.

I think it's because FOX was never able to hop off the reality TV bandwagon. That's just another reason why I despise populism in general. To all the urchins and rapscallions who enjoy trite entertainment like Celebrity Fat Camp, you are a lot of ignorant guttersnipes. I bid you good day.

*puts on monocle, turns up nose, and strides away with a swagger stick*

IronBrig4 said:

I think it's because FOX was never able to hop off the reality TV bandwagon. That's just another reason why I despise populism in general. To all the urchins and rapscallions who enjoy trite entertainment like Celebrity Fat Camp, you are a lot of ignorant guttersnipes. I bid you good day.

*puts on monocle, turns up nose, and strides away with a swagger stick*

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FOX doesn't like Reality TV because of ratings... they like Reality TV because it's cheap as hell to make, since you don't have to pay any actors. It's one of the reasons Reality TV all but stopped in France... there was a court ruling that made networks fork up pay for any Reality TV stars on shows they filmed there.

AshburnerX said:

FOX doesn't like Reality TV because of ratings... they like Reality TV because it's cheap as hell to make, since you don't have to pay any actors. It's one of the reasons Reality TV all but stopped in France... there was a court ruling that made networks fork up pay for any Reality TV stars on shows they filmed there.

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I can't remember if it was Canadian or American, but I had hoped that the reality show where the children were given complete run of a small town would be the end of reality tv. I was hoping that citizens everywhere would see it, stare in horror at what they had become, what they were doing to their own children, and abandon all reality programming as penance.

SeriousJay said:

Goddamn, you're annoying. What do both shows have to do with eachother?

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Nathan Fillion. He's a lot better in Castle than Firefly.

And Stonecold was much better in the WWE than in his acting career. What's the point?

SeriousJay said:

I'm glad a movie was done but it's too little, too late.

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The movie really bothered me. I loved the show but so much of the movie just seemed....I dunno, terrible I guess is the word I'm going for. The guy with his own planet that can monitor every bit of data in the solar system or whatever it was he was supposed to be was easily the worst thing in it.

MR UNIVERSE

I wish he was never in the movie since it started all the completely lame "can't stop the signal hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

The movie was far from excellent. It was horrible, a neat way of seeing everyone back together playing their roles in a mediocre film. The assassin was by far the most entertaining part of the movie, great acting.

That guy is awesome in everything I've seen him in.

SeriousJay said:

And Stonecold was much better in the WWE than in his acting career. What's the point?

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I really thought my point would be clear with a bit of thought as it's a really simple piece of logic: If Firefly wasn't cancelled, Nathan Fillion would be busy doing that show and not Castle.

And so: I enjoy Castle so I am happy that Firefly was canceled.

Gruebeard;253475][quote=SeriousJay said:

And Stonecold was much better in the WWE than in his acting career. What's the point?

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I really thought my point would be clear with a bit of thought as it's a really simple piece of logic: If Firefly wasn't cancelled, Nathan Fillion would be busy doing that show and not Castle.

And so: I enjoy Castle so I am happy that Firefly was canceled.[/QUOTE]

Eeh, there are a few years between. I'd have been satisfied with three seasons of Firefly. That would mean it got a chance, and perhaps cancellation wouldn't come like a thief in the night. Joss could have written a proper end.

Joss has NEVER written an ending when he wanted it. Buffy's came too late, Angel's came 3-4 seasons too soon. This is simply a case of not getting to write one and having to do a movie instead.

Still, there is a lot to be said about keeping a show a short runner... Would Cowboy BeBop have been a better series if they did another 2 seasons and 2 movies? I'd like to think not.

Hmm... I loved Fillion in Firefly... He's a great actor, I think.

Would you recommend that my GF and I should give Castle a try?

Charlie Dont Surf said:

I wish he was never in the movie since it started all the completely lame "can't stop the signal hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

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The rage is strong in this one.

Andi said:

Would you recommend that my GF and I should give Castle a try?

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It can get a little bit standard-detective-show, and a couple of the supporting cops are really stock characters.

HOWEVER, the other characters pop and have more personality than most entire seasons of Law and Order. Fillion is amazing and hilarious, and his family is pretty interesting. The writer aspect and meta-jokes really surprised me in a good way.

Charlie Dont Surf;253548][quote=Andi said:

Would you recommend that my GF and I should give Castle a try?

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It can get a little bit standard-detective-show, and a couple of the supporting cops are really stock characters.

HOWEVER, the other characters pop and have more personality than most entire seasons of Law and Order. Fillion is amazing and hilarious, and his family is pretty interesting. The writer aspect and meta-jokes really surprised me in a good way.[/QUOTE]

That's what I wanted to hear. I love the funny side of Fillion, in Firefly, he really cracked me up... Cool, so... Castle, it shall be...

I think, that's a good way to fix my Firefly-craving after having finished watching firefly and serenity. To be able to see at least Filion acting again.

Andi;253556][quote=Charlie Dont Surf;253548][quote=Andi said:

Would you recommend that my GF and I should give Castle a try?

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It can get a little bit standard-detective-show, and a couple of the supporting cops are really stock characters.

HOWEVER, the other characters pop and have more personality than most entire seasons of Law and Order. Fillion is amazing and hilarious, and his family is pretty interesting. The writer aspect and meta-jokes really surprised me in a good way.[/QUOTE]

That's what I wanted to hear. I love the funny side of Fillion, in Firefly, he really cracked me up... Cool, so... Castle, it shall be...

I think, that's a good way to fix my Firefly-craving after having finished watching firefly and serenity. To be able to see at least Filion acting again. [/QUOTE]

I'll add my voice to the Castle crowd. I love Castle's family, and the dynamic between him and the cop too (horrible with names). Every episode has been a joy to watch.

Rob King said:

I'll add my voice to the Castle crowd. I love Castle's family, and the dynamic between him and the cop too (horrible with names). Every episode has been a joy to watch.

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The cop's name is Nikki Heat.

It's funny: that's the only name I can recall from the show. Sure, his last name is Castle, but I only know that because it's the name of the show; I couldn't what his first name is even under waterboarding.

Gruebeard said:

The cop's name is Nikki Heat.

It's funny: that's the only name I can recall from the show. Sure, his last name is Castle, but I only know that because it's the name of the show; I couldn't what his first name is even under waterboarding.

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I'm pretty sure that's Castle's character's name. The one based on the woman cop.

I'm certain it is. That's what's funny.

I fell in love with castle. So much so that I bought last season on Itunes and I usually steer clear of buying shows on there.

I love his mother (she's the same actress who played greg's mother in Dharma and Greg)

Castle rides purely on Fillion's charm. Otherwise it's pretty lackluster. Don't get me wrong, I watch and enjoy it, but if Fillion weren't there I wouldn't. There wouldn't be anything left to watch.

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Castle rides purely on Fillion's charm. Otherwise it's pretty lackluster. Don't get me wrong, I watch and enjoy it, but if Fillion weren't there I wouldn't. There wouldn't be anything left to watch.

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What makes me curious, are there any other TV-Shows (or movies) with Nathan Fillion in a main role?

Andi;254446][quote=Alex B. said:

Castle rides purely on Fillion's charm. Otherwise it's pretty lackluster. Don't get me wrong, I watch and enjoy it, but if Fillion weren't there I wouldn't. There wouldn't be anything left to watch.

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What makes me curious, are there any other TV-Shows (or movies) with Nathan Fillion in a main role?[/QUOTE]

There was one called Drive. I think it was on Fox.

It got canceled after like ... 4 episodes.

Three Guys, a Girl and a Pizza Place eventually had him as a featured character, which is one more reason a large part of that series was untempered awesome. Died badly, but there was a lot of good there.

Yes it was a shame Firefly was canceled. Fox was probably the worst channel it could have possibly been on. Imagine if it was on Syfy instead, nestled snugly between Stargate and BSG. With such a built in audience of geeks it would have done just as well as those shows.

SeriousJay said:

The movie was far from excellent. It was horrible, a neat way of seeing everyone back together playing their roles in a mediocre film. The assassin was by far the most entertaining part of the movie, great acting.

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I actually got into firefly after seeing the movie. Which I thought was excellent.

So ha!

Oddbot said:

Yes it was a shame Firefly was canceled. Fox was probably the worst channel it could have possibly been on. Imagine if it was on Syfy instead, nestled snugly between Stargate and BSG. With such a built in audience of geeks it would have done just as well as those shows.

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This. Absolutely gorram this.

If firefly would have been aired on Scifi instead of Fox, I guess we could still be watching new episodes right now... Or would at least have had 4 Seasons and proper ending...

*sigh*

I wish I had the possibilty to retcon life...

mm...I did really like the series, wasn't too hot on the movie. That said ,I own special editions of both on DVD nowadays :-P

Still, Firefly had its share of stock characters too :-P

That aside, Nathan Fillion is the number one on my list of guys I'd go gay for. Instantly.

Okay, the GF and I finished watching the show, and yesterday we watched Serenity.

As I thought, she went batshit insane over the death of Walsh, and I can completely understand that. WTF, it wasn't necessary to kill him of, or to kill Shepherd Book... I still cannot forgive Wheadon his killing of those 2 Characters. Ah, what the hell, it's over and now it's time to move over to castle.

Just finished the first 3 Episodes of Castle. I have to admit, Fillion is pure gold in this show, also the detective...

This nonsensical post was brought to you by me.

Andi said:

Okay, the GF and I finished watching the show, and yesterday we watched Serenity.

As I thought, she went batshit insane over the death of Walsh, and I can completely understand that. WTF, it wasn't necessary to kill him of, or to kill Shepherd Book... I still cannot forgive Wheadon his killing of those 2 Characters. Ah, what the hell, it's over and now it's time to move over to castle.

Just finished the first 3 Episodes of Castle. I have to admit, Fillion is pure gold in this show, also the detective...

This nonsensical post was brought to you by me.

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I'm actually still pissed about how he killed off Anya in Buffy.

WHAT THE HELL??????

Xander's reaction? "oh, well, the love of my life and former fiance was just cut damn near in half.... what's for dinner?

Maybe it's the cynic in me, but I'm not all that sure putting Firefly on SyFy (or SciFi, for that matter) would have been all that great of an idea. Yes, the show may have been granted more than half a season to run, but SciFi network execs also seem to like to butt in where they don't belong when it comes to shows. Take BSG for example. Season 1 was great, I really enjoyed it. Season 2 was pretty good as well. Season 3 started to get a bit trite and a lot of the action elements were shoved aside for more political elements (which weren't all that bad, really) and personal (aka soap opera) elements which were terrible. Add in the fact that BSG had the misfortune of running into the writer's guild strike, which forced the 4th season to be split in two; and the incredibly bizarre scheduling that SyFy seems to enjoy doing (You like this show now, wait until you get to see the next season in 3 years! You'll love it then!!! Three years later: Hey... where'd all of the fans for this go?!), and I'm not sure you get a successful series. Plus, if they put it on SyFy, we'd have to endure 45 spin offs based loosely on the original series done by staff writers at the network who can occasionally pull off a good station identification spot.