Former President and Convicted Felon Trump Thread

Then you haven't looked hard enough. Those people are most definitely out there.
Yes, but how many of them are president?

That is why the "both sides" argument is a red herring. You're message isn't factually wrong, it's just irrelevant.
 
Senator Dianne Feinstein has been very vocal about calling for a complete and total gun ban. She's probably the only Senator to do so, and she has little to know support, but she is a fairly powerful Senator and she has most definitely been taking that position.

Of course, that probably has to do with having seen Harvey Milk and George Moscone assassinated right in front of her by a former colleague.

For those not familiar: San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and Board of Supervisors member Harvey Milk (the first openly gay elected official in California) were shot to dead by former policeman, firefighter, and Board member Dan White. White had thwarted or modified a lot of the neighborhood based initiatives that Moscone, Milk, Carol Ruth Silver, were promoting. White and Milk particular came to clashes over LGBT issues in White's district, where Milk had wanted to place a group home, and White cast the only dissenting vote against San Francisco's landmark gay rights ordinance. With his business failing, dissatisfaction with the liberal policies growing, and low salary as board supervisor, White resigned on November 10, 1978. The mayor was allowed to appoint his successor, and White's backers in the business community urged him to rescind his resignation in order to keep a conservative in the position. Milk, Silver, and then-Assemblyman Willie Brown urged Moscone to not re-appoint White. Then the news of the Jonestown massacre broke, and many of the dead were former Bay residents. The Mayor pushed back the appointment for several days before choosing to nominate Don Horanzy.

On November 27, 1978, White entered town hall with his police revolver, and took a meeting with Moscone. When Moscone refused to reappoint him, White shot him in the shoulder and chest, tearing his lung. White then fired a shot into each ear from six inches away, killing Moscone, then reloaded. White left Moscone's office where he encountered Board President Dianne Feinstein, who attempted to stop him, and was told "There's something need to do first." That something was going into Harvey Milk's office, and he proceeded to shoot Milk five times - once in the wrist in a defensive injury, twice in the chest, then twice in the head at close range. White fled the scene as Feinstein entered. She had to announce to the public that Moscone and Milk had been assassinated.

So I imagine having been essentially a survivor and witness to a double murder might have shaped her opinion on the matter.
 
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GasBandit

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I'm worried about how much of a commie the president after trump will be, but I'm REALLY worried about the ultrafascist who comes after THAT.

Because there's no political thought these days other than DOUBLE DOWN AND LEAN INTO IT, and feel justified because you've got to "fix" what the last guy did to the country.

Dubya had to fix what Clinton did
Obama had to fix what Dubya did
Trump has to fix what Obama did
(People's Glorious Revolutionary Leftist) has to fix what Trump did
(Actual unironic totalitarian theocrat emperor) has to fix what PGRL did...
 
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Dave

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It's a big country with a lot of people. We can and should work on multiple things at the same time. So firefighting and mitigating the damage caused by the water is a real and ongoing conversation we should be having.

Like chemo tearing down the body to kill the cancer. yeah, eradicating the cancer should be our main goal, but we should strive to finding better and less destructive ways of doing it.
 
It's a big country with a lot of people. We can and should work on multiple things at the same time. So firefighting and mitigating the damage caused by the water is a real and ongoing conversation we should be having.

Like chemo tearing down the body to kill the cancer. yeah, eradicating the cancer should be our main goal, but we should strive to finding better and less destructive ways of doing it.
Shultz 2020.
 

GasBandit

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Sure, and that's fine. But when your house is on fire, discussion about water damage is less than helpful
"I don't think this is the best way to put out the fire, though..."
"Look, I swear to god, I've seen them put out oil well fires with dynamite. Puts that fire RIGHT out. And the fire is the problem right now, so don't give me any of your "but this will destroy the house" bullcrap. We're putting this fire out, end of story."
 
"I don't think this is the best way to put out the fire, though..."
"Look, I swear to god, I've seen them put out oil well fires with dynamite. Puts that fire RIGHT out. And the fire is the problem right now, so don't give me any of your "but this will destroy the house" bullcrap. We're putting this fire out, end of story."
The untold third line: "Who cares about YOUR house? It's already on fire because I threw that lit gas can in. I'm more worried about my house next door!"
 
I'm worried about how much of a commie the president after trump will be, but I'm REALLY worried about the ultrafascist who comes after THAT.

Because there's no political thought these days other than DOUBLE DOWN AND LEAN INTO IT, and feel justified because you've got to "fix" what the last guy did to the country.

Dubya had to fix what Clinton did
Obama had to fix what Dubya did
Trump has to fix what Obama did
(People's Glorious Revolutionary Leftist) has to fix what Trump did
(Actual unironic totalitarian theocrat emperor) has to fix what PGRL did...
Disempower the president.
 
And yes, I have done the same thing. While I'm singling you out in this post, I'm by no means saying I've been above the fray. I've said stupid shit. I'll probably say stupid shit in the future. I'm part of the problem as well. As is Gas, as is Poe, as is...
I don't get a name-drop? I am insulted, sir! INSULTED!

Oh, just came in to comment Trump didn't drop the healthcare thing for any of those reasons. Mitch told him no.
 
I'm worried about how much of a commie the president after trump will be, but I'm REALLY worried about the ultrafascist who comes after THAT.

Because there's no political thought these days other than DOUBLE DOWN AND LEAN INTO IT, and feel justified because you've got to "fix" what the last guy did to the country.

Dubya had to fix what Clinton did
Obama had to fix what Dubya did
Trump has to fix what Obama did
(People's Glorious Revolutionary Leftist) has to fix what Trump did
(Actual unironic totalitarian theocrat emperor) has to fix what PGRL did...
Ah yes, the totally leftist Obama, who dared to implement the super-leftist healthcare reform that totally wasn't just a slightly reworked version of the one suggested by the commie Heritage Foundation, and implemented at the state lever by known marxist mormon Mitt Romney...

Their problem with Obama wasn't his policies, and you know it...
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I don't get a name-drop? I am insulted, sir! INSULTED!

Oh, just came in to comment Trump didn't drop the healthcare thing for any of those reasons. Mitch told him no.
It's almost like they know they'll be hurting their voters...
 
@blotsfan do you even civics?

The battle for ACA is going on in the courts. The only thing about congress being divided is that no new legislation to replace the ACA will be coming down the pipeline until after the elections.
 
@blotsfan do you even civics?

The battle for ACA is going on in the courts. The only thing about congress being divided is that no new legislation to replace the ACA will be coming down the pipeline until after the elections.
What does any of that have to do with how republicans will spin their voters losing their healthcare?
 

GasBandit

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Their problem with Obama wasn't his policies, and you know it...
It was mainly his unprecedented executive overreach in the name of his policies. Which is what the pattern I was outlaying in my post was.

"If Congress won't act, I will"
"Here, have an executive order unilaterally enacting something I said on camera wasn't in my power to do"

I said it then, and I'll remind you and everybody else - that basically set the table for President Trump's all-you-can-eat power abusmorasbord.
 
It’s all about the branding.

Well, what did you expect? He’s a Sports Fan, a person conditioned to throw blind loyalty behind a particular group or its accomplishments, and predisposed to ignore arguments to the contrary. Of course he’s not going to listen to you, no matter how well-reasoned your argument(s) might be.

/s, duh - deliberate conflation in that second part

—Patrick
As I've pointed out before "zealotry of the convert"
 
Yet you give a pass to illegals who are ALREADY breaking the law and yes, some are criminals other than just trying to make a better life for themselves. Because sometimes illegals are "bad people".

What you lack most times is the ability to see things from both sides. You circle the wagons and turn myopic. The right is very, very short sighted in a lot of cases, but the left is just as dumb in other areas. If you can't admit that and see your own faults, it's impossible to work on them to get better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
 
I said it then, and I'll remind you and everybody else - that basically set the table for President Trump's all-you-can-eat power abusmorasbord.
That's more because the senate refuses to do a damn thing about trump or his actions. He didn't overpower them, they willingly ceded their power.
 
Lol, that anyone seriously thinks what Obama did even remotely applies to what Trump does is hilarious. That’s simply not true. Trump will always Trump.
 
I'm worried about how much of a commie the president after trump will be, but I'm REALLY worried about the ultrafascist who comes after THAT.

Because there's no political thought these days other than DOUBLE DOWN AND LEAN INTO IT, and feel justified because you've got to "fix" what the last guy did to the country.

Dubya had to fix what Clinton did
Obama had to fix what Dubya did
Trump has to fix what Obama did
(People's Glorious Revolutionary Leftist) has to fix what Trump did
(Actual unironic totalitarian theocrat emperor) has to fix what PGRL did...
During the primaries when I still thought Trump was a bit of a joke candidate and certainly wouldn't win, I thought he represented that backlash against having "the establishment" in the office for 2 terms. Now, that we have had time to reflect on what kind of a president Obama was, I think he (trump) represents a backlash against decency and self-control. He sadly truly represents most modern americans, even if they voted for him or not.
 
Reminder that 3 million more people voted for Hillary. It's just that our system gives the trash people in shithole states more power, as it was explicitly designed to do.
 
That's our Blots, winning hearts and minds to the cause.
If you voted for Donald trump in 2016 you are irredeemable trash that the world would be better off without. Any attempt at winning them over is a waste of effort.

Besides, what's so offensive about calling a place a shithole anyways?
 
If you voted for Donald trump in 2016 you are irredeemable trash that the world would be better off without. Any attempt at winning them over is a waste of effort.

Besides, what's so offensive about calling a place a shithole anyways?
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to people who just vote party line, but at the same time, anyone who just blindly votes party line as a Republican in the last 10+ years is probably voting against their own self interest, unless they are rich or extremely religious. They just refuse to accept that.

That said, blindly voting down the party line in any case, for any party, is bad. Do your research.
 

GasBandit

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I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to people who just vote party line, but at the same time, anyone who just blindly votes party line as a Republican in the last 10+ years is probably voting against their own self interest, unless they are rich or extremely religious. They just refuse to accept that.
I've had several people say within earshot of me in the last 10-15 years "Ugh, I wish there was some way I could vote against Rick Perry that didn't involve (shudder) voting for a *Democrat!*"
 
I would say if you voted for Trump and realized it was a bad choice, I can forgive you. But if, at this point, you still think Donald Trump is great, you are probably trash. :p
 
That said, blindly voting down the party line in any case, for any party, is bad. Do your research.
I'd argue at this point that the Republican Party is so poisoned that "willing to associate with the Republican Party" should be disqualifying for anyone looking to hold office.
 
Just a reminder that the automobile manufacturers will shut down with 2-3 days of the Mexican border being closed. That's 5 million jobs waiting for plants in Mexico to begin to arrange for product delivery by cargo jet....
 
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