Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

GasBandit

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To be fair, a candidate saying "we need to raise the defense budget, up the readiness of the army, and be prepared to engage in yet another armed conflict somewhere in the back-end of the world" might as well not put his name on a ballot. It's not (just) political lack of will, it's the population who's never seen war and doesn't see why they (and we, most certainly) should bother.
You know, though, Libya (Khaddafi) suddenly got a whooooole lot more reasonable during the dubya administration. A lot of opposition states did.[DOUBLEPOST=1470962750,1470962719][/DOUBLEPOST]
I think being hesitant to create massive civilian casualties is a good thing.
And that's why our defense budget is huge and yet we keep losing wars.

A laser guided bomb is a hell of a lot more expensive than a guy with a dynamite vest or a mortar aimed at a civilian population. Guess which is getting used more effectively over the last decade.
 
You know, though, Libya (Khaddafi) suddenly got a whooooole lot more reasonable during the dubya administration. A lot of opposition states did.[DOUBLEPOST=1470962750,1470962719][/DOUBLEPOST]
And that's why our defense budget is huge and yet we keep losing wars.

A laser guided bomb is a hell of a lot more expensive than a guy with a dynamite vest or a mortar aimed at a civilian population. Guess which is getting used more effectively over the last decade.
Gee, it's almost like fighting a terrorist ideology with a loose command hierarchy and limited reliance on infrastructure hiding among foreign populations is a whole different affair than fighting the uniformed armies of nation-states.
 
Gee, it's almost like fighting a terrorist ideology with a loose command hierarchy and limited reliance on infrastructure hiding among foreign populations is a whole different affair than fighting the uniformed armies of nation-states.
Can't forget the ever shifting victory *goals*. Does wonders for morale.
 
not to distract from this extremely informative and nuanced discussion of foreign policy, but re: drugs, FUCK OBAMA.

If he wasn't President, best case scenario, his daughter gets kicked out of Harvard instantly. Worst case, Sandra Bland.
 
not to distract from this extremely informative and nuanced discussion of foreign policy, but re: drugs, FUCK OBAMA.

If he wasn't President, best case scenario, his daughter gets kicked out of Harvard instantly. Worst case, Sandra Bland.
I assume you're referring to this: http://nypost.com/2016/08/10/malia-obama-appears-to-be-smoking-pot-at-lollapalooza/

And ya, one set of laws for the plebeians, and one set for the powerful. Hillary exemplifies this, and so does Trump. And not just on drugs.


When your populace AS A WHOLE gets upset about this, then maybe something can happen. See 2nd amendment. Until then, good fucking luck.
 

Dave

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Nobody really cares about pot. Besides, the place where she was at small amounts are legal and she's 18. No laws broken. So the rules were NOT different for her because she's Obama's daughter.

But nice try.
 
Nobody really cares about pot. Besides, the place where she was at small amounts are legal and she's 18. No laws broken. So the rules were NOT different for her because she's Obama's daughter.

But nice try.
From what I read it's "decriminalized" there, which is not the same as legal.



And Charlie, I'm in Canada. I don't have the right to bear arms, because my country didn't come about because of rebellion.
 
Smoking pot in public is still illegal in Colorado. People do it anyways, but I imagine the same thing applies anywhere it's legal.
 

Dave

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It was at a concert. So it may have been illegal, but it's not like nobody else smokes pot at a concert. Like, I've never seen THAT before. Except every time I've ever been at a concert. Especially outdoor festivals. I'd be willing to bet there's NO drugs at burning man or things like that.

So there's illegal and then there's illegal. This kind of thing the cops don't even bother.

Much ado about nothing.
 

GasBandit

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Much ado about nothing.
Nobody cares about pot, but they care about get-out-of-jail-free cards for the elite. The specific activity doesn't matter, what matters is that when you or I do (x) we go to jail and our life is ruined, but when Malia (or Hillary) does (x) they get a pass.
 

Dave

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Nobody cares about pot, but they care about get-out-of-jail-free cards for the elite. The specific activity doesn't matter, what matters is that when you or I do (x) we go to jail and our life is ruined, but when Malia (or Hillary) does (x) they get a pass.
Oh? And how many people at that outdoor concert were arrested for pot? Or was Malia the only one that wasn't? Oh, you mean nobody was? So again much ado about nothing.

If you're talking about the street and getting caught that's a different thing. Context is key here. But since neither Malia nor Hillary have been arrested at traffic stops for pot, I guess you're just making up shit.
 
Dave's right. No one at that concert was getting busted for smoking pot, which is the case for 99% of all people at a concert. She's not getting special treatment. This is just conservatives impotently howling because they don't like her father.
 

GasBandit

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Oh? And how many people at that outdoor concert were arrested for pot? Or was Malia the only one that wasn't? Oh, you mean nobody was? So again much ado about nothing.

If you're talking about the street and getting caught that's a different thing. Context is key here. But since neither Malia nor Hillary have been arrested at traffic stops for pot, I guess you're just making up shit.
You're being intentionally obtuse and obstreperous, and you know that doesn't work with me. You know quite well that the activities of the children of politicians often fall under closer scrutiny because they're used against the political careers of their parents, for one. (As an aside, if this had been, for example, Ted Cruz's daughter, you know it would have been a huge deal.) Furthermore, the fact that nobody allegedly was arrested (we don't know if, in fact, anybody was arrested there or not) does not make it any less against the letter of the law that the administration has chosen to continue to uphold, despite all evidence and public opinion about marijuana, and if there is footage of the act, police could act on it. There's a reason, for example, that motorheads blur out their speedometers in their youtube videos. But, of course, the police will make the deliberate decision not to act on it, because Malia's last name is Obama, and laws don't apply to rich people and especially not to democrats.
 
No one is buying this load of shit you keep peddling. This would have been treated the same way if it was Cruz or Paul Ryan's teenage daughter. Some idiots would have made the same arguments you are, it would have been seen as no big deal by the majority of the public, and life would have continued on.
 
I think part of Charlie's complaint is that pot should be legal and it's hypocritical that Obama doesn't push for legalization (as far as I know) but his kids smoke it. I suppose it's possible he's really upset about it, but my guess is that he wouldn't care if it wasn't photographed.
 

Dave

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Nothing pissed in my Cheerios. I don't eat Cheerios. I had a pop tart and hot chocolate for breakfast and a nutritious lunch of pizza rolls and root beer. No piss here.

I didn't mean to sound like I was all pissy. I certainly wasn't. I just think equating what's happening at a concert is not indicative of the larger issue of pot legalization. Pot at concerts have been around forever and completely unenforced, regardless of the name or economic status of the individual imbibing.

Now, had they stopped her on the street and still let her go that would be a different story (if she had more than the allowed amount). But that's not the case. It's a lot of hullabaloo for nothing.
 
I've seen security guards chasing down people who have pot at concerts plenty of times. Not in a Colorado, but in Western NY.
 

Dave

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I've seen security guards chasing down people who have pot at concerts plenty of times. Not in a Colorado, but in Western NY.
I've been to several over the course of my centuries on earth and the most I've ever seen was a guard tell a dude to put it out. Now, if the guy is belligerent, it's a different story. Like the Naked Wizard from days gone by. When the cops give you a break you're wise to take it and not argue.

And security guards are not always cops. I can't speak of your incident, but a lot of security guys are cop wannabes who just couldn't make it in the bigs. They tend to be power trippers with no ability to do anything but toss the "offender" out, not arrest.
 

GasBandit

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I went to two concerts in 1998. I saw Metallica in Denver, and the cops were there arresting people for drugs. I saw Tool at Red Rocks Amphitheater, and I got stoned off my ass for the first (and last) time, and my buddy dropped me down a flight of stairs to bounce to a halt at the feet of a policeman who just laughed at me.

So, I know it's common for the police to turn a blind eye at concerts, but it's not universal.
 
On a separate note:

There are two houses across from each other on the main drag of my (fill-in-the-blank-term) town. One is sporting a "TRUMP - MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" sign.

The other is sporting a much larger sign saying, "END THE WARS" and "VOTE LIBERTARIAN" with their website on it.
 
On a separate note:

There are two houses across from each other on the main drag of my (fill-in-the-blank-term) town. One is sporting a "TRUMP - MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" sign.

The other is sporting a much larger sign saying, "END THE WARS" and "VOTE LIBERTARIAN" with their website on it.
Oh... the rare Libertarian yard sign. I'm actually a little jealous.
 

Dave

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Pot is a Schedule 1 drug. That means that according to the federal government it has no medical use (which is patently false - glaucoma, PTSD, chronic pain, epilepsy, etc.) and has a high potential for abuse.

Schedule 2 drugs which some are legal, include opium, Oxycontin, cocaine, and meth.

Meth is considered by our government to be healthier and less destructive than pot.
 

Dave

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I was under the impression that the only accepted medical use for cocaine was as a topical ocular anesthetic.

--Patrick
And the only accepted one for meth is - and I'm not kidding - appetite suppression.

But according to the federal government, this means that they HAVE a medical use whereas they state pot has none. It's stupid.
 
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