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Texas AG Paxton Declares Court Orders "Void," Orders Gender Markers Reverted For Trans People
Once again Republicans are trying to overthrow the rule of law and ignore the courts.
Once again Republicans are trying to overthrow the rule of law and ignore the courts.
Potentially NSFW, obvs:
--Patrick
Why straight women watch lesbian porn: New study identifies five key factors
A recent study published in the journal Sexualities has shed light on a growing trend: heterosexual women are increasingly choosing to watch pornography featuring women having sex with women.
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This just in -- study suggests straight women watch lesbian porn because it allows them to self-insert into a relatable (relatable because said self-insert can be from the POV of either party, that is) interaction where the goal is for both people to enjoy themselves, rather than one person hogging all the pleasure for themself. Shocker.
--Patrick
The moment I saw the headline I knew exactly what was going on. Probably a challenge for women to get turned on watching a video where a guy slaps a woman, spits in her face, calls her something offensive, and then rabbit-fucks them for 2 minutes while pulling the woman’s hair.Potentially NSFW, obvs:
Why straight women watch lesbian porn: New study identifies five key factors
A recent study published in the journal Sexualities has shed light on a growing trend: heterosexual women are increasingly choosing to watch pornography featuring women having sex with women.www.psypost.org
This just in -- study suggests straight women watch lesbian porn because it allows them to self-insert into a relatable (relatable because said self-insert can be from the POV of either party, that is) interaction where the goal is for both people to enjoy themselves, rather than one person hogging all the pleasure for themself. Shocker.
--Patrick
I mean, some people are into that! And that’s fine! But I’m fairly certain more people are not.
See, there's two things that, on the surface, look fairly similar to a casual outside observer. Here are two heterosexual examples.
Guy riding gal, pulling hair, slapping butt and yelling, "Who's my horsie?!" Gal is yelling back through mask, "I'm your horsie!" <imitates horse noises> <bobs head/stamps floor>
Guy riding gal, pulling hair, slapping butt and yelling, "Who's my horsie?!" Gal is yelling back through mask, "Ouch! Goddammit! GET OFF ME! " <cries/screams> <squirms uncomfortably>
--Patrick
*There IS the incredibly infinitesimal possibility that everyone involved is merely "acting" and so it is all 100% legit, but you'd better have informed any bystanders of this in advance, or you're gonna find yourself arrested before you can sufficiently explain yourself.
Yeah, as long as everyone seems to be enjoying themselves, I mean, everybody can get their socks off any way they please. Not judging at all. My fetishes are also my own.
Some of the things becoming more and more mainstream in porn are just about degradation/humiliation or display of performance more than anything else, in my mind.
Anal? Fun for all (if they're into it and with enough lube). Gaping? Not my thing at all and I don't see how it can contribute to the recipient's pleasure.
"spit on that Thang"? I dunno, not for me.
Pulling hair or causing pain/humiliation in other ways in something that isn't intended as a fetish /specific video? I dunno.
Mainstream porn continuously makes it seem like a blowjob is a standard part of any interaction, and finishing manually on the back/ass/face is expected. All of those are fine, but... Not necessarily what we should be showing kids as the "default"?
Or I'm just old and prudish, I dunno.
Some of the things becoming more and more mainstream in porn are just about degradation/humiliation or display of performance more than anything else, in my mind.
Anal? Fun for all (if they're into it and with enough lube). Gaping? Not my thing at all and I don't see how it can contribute to the recipient's pleasure.
"spit on that Thang"? I dunno, not for me.
Pulling hair or causing pain/humiliation in other ways in something that isn't intended as a fetish /specific video? I dunno.
Mainstream porn continuously makes it seem like a blowjob is a standard part of any interaction, and finishing manually on the back/ass/face is expected. All of those are fine, but... Not necessarily what we should be showing kids as the "default"?
Or I'm just old and prudish, I dunno.
Probably more true than you know. My GF and her circle of friends (mostly early to late 30s folks) all talk about the romance novels they're onto these days--and they're all kind of rape-y
Honestly, a good number of them have always been kinda rapey. I don't get it, but I'm not really a romance novel person.
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This is exactly what my wife exclaimed when I showed her the thread (wife also used to resell romance novels online).
Also: "You should recommend he watch that Natalie Wynn video I'm always rewatching."
Ok, hon. Here you go:
"Yes, it's three hours long, but it's three hours well-spent." - My wife's promise, not mine.
--Patrick
figmentPez
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Cis woman ‘fired after customer accused her of being trans’
"While she was alone in a toilet, a man entered and began shouting about trans people, claiming he would 'protect his wife or girlfriend from them,' and insinuating that the Davis was transgender.
"She reported the incident to a supervisor but a week later was informed that she had been sacked for failing to inform a 'salaried member of management' about the interaction, which was deemed a 'security risk', she said."
"While she was alone in a toilet, a man entered and began shouting about trans people, claiming he would 'protect his wife or girlfriend from them,' and insinuating that the Davis was transgender.
"She reported the incident to a supervisor but a week later was informed that she had been sacked for failing to inform a 'salaried member of management' about the interaction, which was deemed a 'security risk', she said."
GasBandit
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My feed's been getting more and more recommendations from people I don't trust, talking about gender issues in ways with which I have a hard time agreeing... but Wisecrack is usually pretty good about things. And I thought this was kind of an interesting take on how Judd Apatow presaged the so-called "Male Loneliness Epidemic" that has led to the creation of the manosphere influencers like Andrew Tate.
Republican Governor Candidate Proposes Female Undocumented Immigrants Can Stay If They Marry “Incels”
More than a dozen candidates have announced that they're running for California Governor Gavin Newsom's job in 2026. Among the six Republicans who have so far launched a gubernatorial campaign is unm
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Hey, do you live in California? If so, don't vote for this guy, ok?
--Patrick
Unless you're an incel who's into rape fantasies?Republican Governor Candidate Proposes Female Undocumented Immigrants Can Stay If They Marry “Incels”
More than a dozen candidates have announced that they're running for California Governor Gavin Newsom's job in 2026. Among the six Republicans who have so far launched a gubernatorial campaign is unm
Hey, do you live in California? If so, don't vote for this guy, ok?
--Patrick
If the guy gets even 1% of the general vote I would be shocked. We tend to get loonies who run, but usually don’t elect them.Republican Governor Candidate Proposes Female Undocumented Immigrants Can Stay If They Marry “Incels”
More than a dozen candidates have announced that they're running for California Governor Gavin Newsom's job in 2026. Among the six Republicans who have so far launched a gubernatorial campaign is unm
Hey, do you live in California? If so, don't vote for this guy, ok?
--Patrick
Wow, so the reverse Chinese Exclusion Act. That's a ...thing I didn't have on my Dystopia Bingo Card.Republican Governor Candidate Proposes Female Undocumented Immigrants Can Stay If They Marry “Incels”
More than a dozen candidates have announced that they're running for California Governor Gavin Newsom's job in 2026. Among the six Republicans who have so far launched a gubernatorial campaign is unm
Hey, do you live in California? If so, don't vote for this guy, ok?
Anyone know of any? I'm genuinely interested. The only thing that comes to mind is the Kencyrath series (of which I've only read the first two...because I didn't know there were more than three until just a few years ago!)
--Patrick
No, they definitely exist. And if anyone has never encountered it before, that's probably because they stay in pretty mainstream places. Get yourself some gay, some furry, or preferably, some gay furry friends.
Yeah, I'll echo it... it's definitely out there. Lots of MLM and WLW approach this topic, usually in conjunction to vampires and werewolves. There's also stuff for the straights out there. It just usually has an erotic angle, so it's mostly on places like ao3 and Furaffinity.
I'll also point out Stephanie Meyer of Twilight fame put out Life and Death, which is literally just a gender flipped version of Twilight. So this stuff isn't exactly NOT mainstream, it just hasn't had a big budget movie attached to it.
I'll also point out Stephanie Meyer of Twilight fame put out Life and Death, which is literally just a gender flipped version of Twilight. So this stuff isn't exactly NOT mainstream, it just hasn't had a big budget movie attached to it.
I'll start off by saying that I have absolutely seen things that explore this angle a bit (Marceline from Adventure Time, for instance), and I'm familiar with more non-mainstream sources than you might think, but the video is referring to tropes, which are by definition "mainstream," so I suppose things like AO3 fare or the Monster under the bed would only really apply if they somehow managed to achieve and maintain widespread "collective consciousness"-level popularity. Shrek turned the trope on its head but didn't actually swap the roles. The Outer Limits' "First Anniversary" and Star Trek's "The Cage" kinda touch on it, but mostly end up reinforcing the trope since in both, the woman is still trying so hard to fit in/stay desireable and "pretty." Viv & Ellie don't count because ... well, their story is not really one of redemption.
Thinking on it, I wonder if part of the reason is because traditionally, the reclusive, ugly, terminally misunderstood character-in-need-of-growth is almost always in a position of noticeable power, which is not a position frequently given to women in fairy tales (except, as the video notes, as the witch/evil queen/etc), but then that doesn't just open up a door leading to more issues, it tacks on an entire wing.
--Patrick
Thinking on it, I wonder if part of the reason is because traditionally, the reclusive, ugly, terminally misunderstood character-in-need-of-growth is almost always in a position of noticeable power, which is not a position frequently given to women in fairy tales (except, as the video notes, as the witch/evil queen/etc), but then that doesn't just open up a door leading to more issues, it tacks on an entire wing.
--Patrick
The anime Vampire in the Garden plays with this a bit, with a high ranking vampire noblewoman essentially kidnapping a runaway human girl because she reminds her of her former lover that died many years ago and the two running off together (with disastrous consequences). Vampires turning (permanently) monstrous to become more powerful to fight against a growing human threat is even a major theme in that one.
I guess there's also Call of the Night, which is about a human boy's growing relationship with a vampire woman that is about him slowly coming to understand that she IS monstrous and yet still desiring her.
I guess, in generally, this is kind of a subgenre that's slowing getting some steam in the mainstream, now that I think about it.
I guess there's also Call of the Night, which is about a human boy's growing relationship with a vampire woman that is about him slowly coming to understand that she IS monstrous and yet still desiring her.
I guess, in generally, this is kind of a subgenre that's slowing getting some steam in the mainstream, now that I think about it.
figmentPez
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I don't think this fits the trope, since she has a conventionally attractive appearance with monstrous behavior. While Disney's Beast and Shrek are rude and uncultured, they aren't monstrous in their behavior, and other examples like the Shape of Water, Gargoyles, and many other versions of the Beast are kind and caring for the entire story.
Monster-fucking enthusiasts will go on at great lengths about the differences between being attracted despite (or because of) monstrous appearance, monstrous behavior, or both combined, and also point out when "monster" is actually just a case of "non-human" (e.g. Mavis from Hotel Transylvania, who is a "monster" but conventionally attractive in both appearance and personality. Johnny dating Mavis has social barriers, but he's in no danger from her personally, and falls for her before even knowing she's a monster. Their romance has more in common with "poor guy falling for rich girl" than an inverted BatB.)
I think it really says something that is difficult to find examples of male characters being drawn to conventionally unattractive monsters, even in queerer spaces.