I was just coming here to post that. I wonder if we're getting to the point where we're doing more harm than good.
Man, that article makes his defense look like "Fans have touched me inappropriately, so it's okay if I innapropriately touch someone who works with me."
How long before it's just any man who misread a signal and put a hand on the shoulder of a woman who wasn't interested? How much longer after that when just having a creepy smile is enough grounds? How many more isla vista shooters will come out of a world where males are strung up by their heels for expressing interest?
That's a dumb response on his part.
Aye. I followed the link in the npr to that, and saw that the impression npr left me with was wrong.
Really? The slippery slope argument?
Well, let me know when we stop slipping, I guess. I mean, the most asexual old fart ever to sit on a porch in Minnesota and mumble about americana just got fired for an awkwardly flubbed pat on the back.
So he says.
I don't know if I would call him asexual. We went to a show of his not too long ago with our 12 year old daughter, and got to listen to him retelling his first sexual experience... That ranked up there in awkward moments.
There is no question that some inappropriate behavior is more inappropriate than others. But the slippery slope is a fallacy and you know it. Also, keep in mind:
There's a difference, though, between a slippery slope and runaway freight train.
Keillor's career is over. He's not making a big fuss about it though, because he's basically 99% retired already anyway. If it had been a younger man, it'd have been much more dire.
I guess we'll keep the hot pokers and thumbscrews at the ready, then, for the next dastardly villain to be revealed by something awkward in his past.
maybe because he has no career to speak of any more?[DOUBLEPOST=1511986566,1511986468][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, Keillor's career with MPR may be over, but that was between him and MPR. MPR had the right to fire him, unless they did so against the contract they both signed. That is my point.
And Keillor did? Heck, and Cosby did?
I wasn't talking about the right to do so, I was talking about severity/effect.
Well, the "newsworthiness" might really have to do with the surprisingness of it, more than the degree of the effect on the respective careers. In Cosby's case, the sheer predatory and repeated behaviors described in the allegations were pretty newsworthy too.
Yeah, but they are obviously linked. NBC and MPR have business to do, and dragging feet on allegations, especially if there is repeated and/or corroborating evidence against a person, will be very bad for that business. Free market!
I genuinely did not know that. I thought he was off in a corner mouldering or something.[DOUBLEPOST=1511987724,1511987608][/DOUBLEPOST]
Well, you've got a point there.
I agree that it's within their rights. My only worry is that if everything becomes career ending, and there's no room for 'This was a one time misunderstanding/mistake, and appropriate action has been taken' does it just become noise? Do people stop caring?
IE, there is no virtue, only lack of opportunity.
Yes.
I think that is the key idea. With absolute power, how many of us would be Caligula?
No. Humans are assholes, and we'll all do shitty, selfish things we think we can get away with, and it's easier to get away with that shit if we have some measure of power.
Except that none of these things have been the issue. These have been people in power using that to leverage it for groping, threatening, and abusing people they work with or are around.
Don't assume for me, because you are very, very wrong. I meant for him to be revealed as someone who abuses or assaults other people and you know it. No, I don't think in this current climate he'd get a pass. There's been a social change that not only are these behavoirs not acceptable (and honestly, they never were), but people aren't looking the other way anymore. You're never supposed to be putting your hands on someone without their consent is the minimum of acceptable behavior, and maybe people who can't figure that out SHOULD be ostracized. There is no job or position one can hold that entitles them to someone else's body.
I guess he wasn't afraid to cut the cake after all.
I guess we'll find out if that's the case when the
I... I thought that's what I said. That you had said you didn't want for him to have been involved in something like that. If that's not what came across, rest assured that is what I was trying to say. Granted, I said it in a very snide manner, reflecting my thoughts on the aforementioned Garrison Keillor developments.
See, and I'm not so sure. Pretty people (of both sexes) get a pass on doing things that unattractive people don't all the time. Especially when it comes to sexual advances.
Well, obviously. But there's what should happen and what does happen. And remember, even on official record, some people are too pretty for prison.
Well, tongue was firmly planted in cheek when I typed it. I wasn't offering it as a serious assertion.
