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Le Quack
Because companies don't know how to deal with pirates any other way. They don't know how to stop it, so they try this and that.Cog said:
I don't see how we can blame them for trying.
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I don't see how we can blame them for trying.
Easy: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009 ... -today.arsLe Quack said:
There's trying and there's being retarded. CD's that can't be copied easily and a good MP experience goes a long way...
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Le Quack
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JCM
A game you buy is limited until January 28, 2009? Thank god Ive stopped gaming on PC, otherwise I'd have to put up with this shit.
Don't really have the mindset to bother with it all. I have so much media at my fingertips that it seems like a hassle to go look for more. But I've never had a collector's mindset (not since comic books in high school!) I own a scant handful of DVDs (and I love movies!) and my music collection would be considered pathetic by modern standards (and I like music too!) I guess I am just not that invested in media to feel the need to go shopping for more of it.
On piracy: If the creators of the media had absolute control over it so that the only people that had access to it were those that paid for it (and this was not a time consuming, costly, or disruptive process) then I don't think sales of said media would change much from what they are right now. And I think the purveyors of media are well aware of this.
On piracy: If the creators of the media had absolute control over it so that the only people that had access to it were those that paid for it (and this was not a time consuming, costly, or disruptive process) then I don't think sales of said media would change much from what they are right now. And I think the purveyors of media are well aware of this.
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Movies: If it's a movie I want to see in the theater, I see it there. If it's a 'wait till DVD relase' I've often downloaded it and waited until it went down to a reasonable price to buy it.
TV shows: My patience for watching TV, on TV isn't there anymore. It's not that I have to watch it all now, but with kids and stuff to do around the house when shows come on, I can't really watch it on it's time table. I also don't see the point in spending more money to see TV my way. My current practice is, I will watch it on Hulu or other available online option if it's there. However, if it's not (or if it puts a delay on the online broadcast) I will probably download it before that 'week' is up.
Games: I only game on my PC & PS2. I have gotten quite tired of spending $50 on games that just simply are not what they are advertised, or run like complete and total shit on my PC, even though my system specs are at or slightly above their suggested level. I feel that many game companies drop their system requirements on the box simply to get more people into buying their product. If it's a game I like and play often, I will buy it when it goes down to a reasonable price (usually $20 - $30).
Books: I buy pretty much all the 'story' books I read. My family has always grown up with a collector's mindset to reading books. Gaming books (DnD, Heroes [Champions], World of Darkness, etc...) I don't usually buy unless I am activily using them. The cost for a full book when you may hardly use 1% of the information just isn't right to me. It's also fairly difficult [near impossible] to even get to play a table top game in my area. A current example is that a friend & I are looking to get into a tabletop wargame called Warmachine / Hordes (2 different games sort of). Wargaming like this is a very expensive hobby to get into (at least to me) and I just don't want to spend a lot of money on things I will not actively use. So we are grabbing what we can from online to take a deeper look into it.
Manga and comics: I've only somewhat gotten back into comic books here and most of those that I've read are suggested by friends or from here (Chew, Unwritten, Y - The Last Man, etc...). Because of the slow, drawn out nature of comic books, I tend to download them more often then not and pick up trades of what I've read when I have the money.
MP3s: I will buy the music of artists I like. I will download some stuff just to get a feel for it, but most of the time I end up never listening to it beyond 2 or 3 runs.
TV shows: My patience for watching TV, on TV isn't there anymore. It's not that I have to watch it all now, but with kids and stuff to do around the house when shows come on, I can't really watch it on it's time table. I also don't see the point in spending more money to see TV my way. My current practice is, I will watch it on Hulu or other available online option if it's there. However, if it's not (or if it puts a delay on the online broadcast) I will probably download it before that 'week' is up.
Games: I only game on my PC & PS2. I have gotten quite tired of spending $50 on games that just simply are not what they are advertised, or run like complete and total shit on my PC, even though my system specs are at or slightly above their suggested level. I feel that many game companies drop their system requirements on the box simply to get more people into buying their product. If it's a game I like and play often, I will buy it when it goes down to a reasonable price (usually $20 - $30).
Books: I buy pretty much all the 'story' books I read. My family has always grown up with a collector's mindset to reading books. Gaming books (DnD, Heroes [Champions], World of Darkness, etc...) I don't usually buy unless I am activily using them. The cost for a full book when you may hardly use 1% of the information just isn't right to me. It's also fairly difficult [near impossible] to even get to play a table top game in my area. A current example is that a friend & I are looking to get into a tabletop wargame called Warmachine / Hordes (2 different games sort of). Wargaming like this is a very expensive hobby to get into (at least to me) and I just don't want to spend a lot of money on things I will not actively use. So we are grabbing what we can from online to take a deeper look into it.
Manga and comics: I've only somewhat gotten back into comic books here and most of those that I've read are suggested by friends or from here (Chew, Unwritten, Y - The Last Man, etc...). Because of the slow, drawn out nature of comic books, I tend to download them more often then not and pick up trades of what I've read when I have the money.
MP3s: I will buy the music of artists I like. I will download some stuff just to get a feel for it, but most of the time I end up never listening to it beyond 2 or 3 runs.
To answer the poll: I refuse to answer on the grounds that I may tend to incriminate myself. :tongue:
DRM: Smurf DRM. In my experience it's done nothing but keep me locked out of my rightfully purchased media. In the days when Musicmatch was the big dog, I bought an album from them. A couple of 'puters later, it became harder and harder to find a player that would allow me to unlock the tracks. First Musicmatch's own player got bought by Yahoo!, and no longer included the old store, then WMP's update from 10 to 11 eliminated the Musicmatch store plugin. Now the entire operation is dead. Leaving me with unplayable, but completely paid for, tracks.
DRM: Smurf DRM. In my experience it's done nothing but keep me locked out of my rightfully purchased media. In the days when Musicmatch was the big dog, I bought an album from them. A couple of 'puters later, it became harder and harder to find a player that would allow me to unlock the tracks. First Musicmatch's own player got bought by Yahoo!, and no longer included the old store, then WMP's update from 10 to 11 eliminated the Musicmatch store plugin. Now the entire operation is dead. Leaving me with unplayable, but completely paid for, tracks.
- Most games, not many are worth the money they're going for. I usually pick the good ones up later when prices have gone down, I never install those however, due to DRM shite.
- Most movies and all series. Movies mainly just because it's just so much more convenient, all series because they never even get shown on tv here. The legal downloads stuff just sucks ass in quality compared to the pirates work.
- Some songs. I still like to buy an actual cd, and then just rip it in FLAC. I do download the occasional song / soundtrack if it's too annoying/hard to get.
- Most movies and all series. Movies mainly just because it's just so much more convenient, all series because they never even get shown on tv here. The legal downloads stuff just sucks ass in quality compared to the pirates work.
- Some songs. I still like to buy an actual cd, and then just rip it in FLAC. I do download the occasional song / soundtrack if it's too annoying/hard to get.
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Tv - I download most TV shows I watch since I´m unwilling to wait many, many months to watch them on TV and thats assuming they are even shown here.
Movies -I download the occasional movie but usually only movies that I´m marginally interested in. I prefer seeing movies in cinemas since the experience is a lot more fun imo.
Games - I don't download a lot of games lately but then I´ve really stopped playing as much as I used to.
Books - Never downloaded a book, I always buy them since I love reading and vastly prefer holding them in my hands rather then reading of a computer screen
Movies -I download the occasional movie but usually only movies that I´m marginally interested in. I prefer seeing movies in cinemas since the experience is a lot more fun imo.
Games - I don't download a lot of games lately but then I´ve really stopped playing as much as I used to.
Books - Never downloaded a book, I always buy them since I love reading and vastly prefer holding them in my hands rather then reading of a computer screen
Netflix, Hulu, and the fact that movies come out on DVD like 3 months after they finish their theater-run the like have ensured that I basically don't pirate anything anymore.
That said:
-new Lupin IIIrd TV Specials/OVA/movies
-fan-subbed anime that hasn't crossed over yet
-songs that I'm uncertain about (if I like them, I tend to buy them, if I don't, I tend to delete)
That said:
-new Lupin IIIrd TV Specials/OVA/movies
-fan-subbed anime that hasn't crossed over yet
-songs that I'm uncertain about (if I like them, I tend to buy them, if I don't, I tend to delete)
figmentPez
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Because companies have discovered it limits fair use. RIAA lawyers have stated, in court, that they believe that ripping CDs for personal use is illegal. That people should not be allowed to encode their own MP3s. They want the chance to sell us our media all over again in every new format that comes out. In the US, with the DMCA, they've got so much control it's disgusting.Cog said:
I just realized I have to add to my list. I've pirated DVDs I've purchased. I've broken the encryption on them in order to convert them to files I can play on my portable media player, my netbook, etc. I've also broken encryption on at least one CD I own (Yes, I broke the law by having autoplay off in Windows and ripping a CD. I wouldn't have even known I did it, if I didn't read tech news.) If it weren't for the DMCA I wouldn't be breaking the law, because my goals were fair use, and not infringing on copyright. How absurd is it that motive has no bearing on this law? When I was a juror, the judge went to lengths to explain to us that motive was important in determining guilt.
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JCM
This.
And DRM is not because of only piracy, but more a mix of piracy being the cause, or the excuse.
Itunes exists to force people to use Ipods, DVD region encoding exists to force people to buy locally (otherwise brit gamers would import instead of buying overpriced UK games), online account checks exists to create a profile to track achievements, Amazon´s DRM exist so it can cancel your ebook anytime, anyplace.
Its idiotic to assume DRm exists only because of piracy.
And DRM is not because of only piracy, but more a mix of piracy being the cause, or the excuse.
Itunes exists to force people to use Ipods, DVD region encoding exists to force people to buy locally (otherwise brit gamers would import instead of buying overpriced UK games), online account checks exists to create a profile to track achievements, Amazon´s DRM exist so it can cancel your ebook anytime, anyplace.
Its idiotic to assume DRm exists only because of piracy.
Pirates!
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JCM
There can be only one MESSIAH!!
Don't get uppity.JCM said:
Games: used to pirate lots and lots, nowadays, I buy everything I play. Sometimes I copy a game from a friend to try it out before buying (because decent demos really don't exist anymore) but if I like it, I will go buy it.
Movies: I tend to buy classics and good/great movies, rarely I'll download a crappy movie I want to see for some reason... Really, rare though. Maybe twice a year or so.
TV shows: depends. I buy a lot of good stuff on DVDs, but I do tend to watch things like whose line is it anyway, the simpsons,... on line. I have very irregular working hours and Belgian TV is literally years behind American tv, so, yeah, sorry there.
Books: never pirated anything
Music: I hardly ever buy music, and if I do, they're collectors I want for in my car. I don't pirate any either, though...I just listen to the few cds I have, or I listen to the radio. Or, you know, silence. I know, shocking.
Movies: I tend to buy classics and good/great movies, rarely I'll download a crappy movie I want to see for some reason... Really, rare though. Maybe twice a year or so.
TV shows: depends. I buy a lot of good stuff on DVDs, but I do tend to watch things like whose line is it anyway, the simpsons,... on line. I have very irregular working hours and Belgian TV is literally years behind American tv, so, yeah, sorry there.
Books: never pirated anything
Music: I hardly ever buy music, and if I do, they're collectors I want for in my car. I don't pirate any either, though...I just listen to the few cds I have, or I listen to the radio. Or, you know, silence. I know, shocking.
It is golden, after all.Bubble181 said:
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Philosopher B.
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I should have known you only wanted me for my golden silence! IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE ABOUT YOU AND PERSONAL FINANCE, DOESN'T IT? :waah:Bubble181 said:
I can honestly and truthfully say that I have never pirated anything. I have paid for every single CD, DVD, comic book, book and game I own (except for those I received as gifts, obviously). Hell, the only time my CDs even come near my computer is when I import them into iTunes to get them in my iPod.
I am extraordinarily law-abiding. :batman:
I am extraordinarily law-abiding. :batman:
Simfers said:
Where any of those used?! Or did you ever borrow a game from a mate?!
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Unless you're in a country where cracks aren't illegal...JCM said:
Also, the game was ported over from consoles... so it's the consoles fault... it's always the consoles fault.
Uppity ass pirates
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Joe Johnson
I rarely pirate, if at all. Not necessarily due to morals - more because I barely have time to watch/read/play the games I actually BUY. If I pirated gobs of stuff, I wouldn't have time to use it anyway.
Then why do you always call me your nest egg?Bubble181 said:
Le Quack said:\"@Li3n\":1yfmc32p said:Easy: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009 ... -today.ars\"Le Quack\":1yfmc32p said:
There's trying and there's being retarded. CD's that can't be copied easily and a good MP experience goes a long way...[/quote:1yfmc32p]
That's still DRM. [/quote:1yfmc32p]
From people that might decide to use it after 2 years of buying it... what a brilliant concept... Blizzard must feel so stupid for allowing SC to still run after all this time. (oh, and this is another case of not protecting it against pirates, but against ppl re-selling it, or at least that's the only reason i can think of, which isn't illegal yet... but give it time).
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Gill Kaiser
If someone pirates a game to use as a demo, and then buys it if it's good enough, should that "count"?
Also, if I have bought Mass Effect on the 360, but then decide I want to play it on my new PC when the PC version is released, should downloading the PC version "count"?
Also, if I have bought Mass Effect on the 360, but then decide I want to play it on my new PC when the PC version is released, should downloading the PC version "count"?
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