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Krisken I was pointing out that all handguns, except for revolvers are semi-auto, picking on you, but yeah.

Shotguns are great for home defense, I wish I had one but can't accord the safe to keep it in, they do make fragmentable bullets though for handguns that are less likely to puncture through walls because they fragment on impact.

Someone earlier mentioned "assault rifles" what in your mind is an assault rifle? an AR-15, the one that looks similar to an M-16 but is semi-auto instead of burst fire? The only thing that makes it an "assault rifle" is the way it looks, a few simple modifications and it looks like any other rifle and therefore isn't an assault rifle anymore.

If you're talking about full-auto or burst fire weapons then that's where the ATF gets involved and you have to pay them a $200 tax and get "permission" from your chief of police before you can even purchase it, and that's if the ATF approves and gives you the tax stamp (that you have to keep with the weapon at all times). Unless you're a criminal then steal it or buy it on the black market because screw all that crap.
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not trying to belittle anyone with this link, but as an informative message, sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between semi-auto and a full-auto rifle (I loath the term assault rifle)
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the officer says it's prohibited to all but police/military but that isn't true as I stated above with the proper route and tax stamps/permissions.
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at 6 minutes in he shows the cosmetic change I was talking about
 
Someone earlier mentioned "assault rifles" what in your mind is an assault rifle? an AR-15, the one that looks similar to an M-16 but is semi-auto instead of burst fire? The only thing that makes it an "assault rifle" is the way it looks, a few simple modifications and it looks like any other rifle and therefore isn't an assault rifle anymore
To be fair, you literally only need to change out one part to make an AR-15 into a full-auto. Said part is illegal to purchase or create, but some people still do it from time to time.
 
To be fair, you literally only need to change out one part to make an AR-15 into a full-auto. Said part is illegal to purchase or create, but some people still do it from time to time.
You would also have to have gun smithing/machining skills in order to get the parts to sit correctly in the firearm. It isn't as easy as the media/rumors would have you believe
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as evidence how many fully automatic weapons are used in crimes that you see reported on by the media?
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also all you have to get is get a rubberband to make a semi-auto faux full auto, and that is legal
 
So I was on youtube last night and found this. I want!



That's a semi-auto rifle but the way the slide is made it's like it's firing in full auto, that thing would be a blast at the range!
 
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Biannoshufu

i sometimes wonder if Charlie isn't some strawman Seed AI program funded by Karl Rove's group. He plays liberal views to such an absurdist degree he can't possibly actually believe his viewpoints.
 
i sometimes wonder if Charlie isn't some strawman Seed AI program funded by Karl Rove's group. He plays liberal views to such an absurdist degree he can't possibly actually believe his viewpoints.
Nope, I'm just a young bleeding-heart actual progressive liberal (as in, farther to the left of Obama).
 
The bleeding heart liberal view is that all meat-eating is bad, regardless of who killed it or where.

I feel this quote from Terry Pratchett's Small Gods sums up Charlie these days:

"There was nothing to hear. He might as well be talking to himself and listening to himself.
Like Vorbis.
That thought wouldn't go away. Mind like a steel ball, Om had said. Nothing got in or out. So all Vorbis could hear were the distant echoes of his own soul."
 
Ok, I know we got from the riots in London to gun control politics (in America mostly), but how did we get to meat? :confused:
 
A gun finished Hitler.

Guns stopped the advance of the Japanese Empire, and the Third Reich...

There are many positive things there.

There are barbaric assholes in the world that want what you have, and they will not pay you for it. If my little .40 in my nightstand will keep them from taking it and killing me... it is a good thing. Same thing applies to nations, especially the Axis just 70 years ago.
 
Just to be curious, how many people here own a gun? And how many of those have actually prevented a burglary with it (or saved their own lives with it, etc. etc.)?
 
I do not, as I don't have the money to spare on such a thing right now (not just the gun, but ammo, a gun safe, and other safety equipment). I'll just have to make due with the wooden softball bat I keep near my bed.
 

GasBandit

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A gun control argument? Over the weekend? You guys suck.

Well, I'll just repeat what I always say when people start talking about gun control...

In the U.S., the right to keep and bear arms is explicitly guaranteed by the second amendment. The second amendment does not specify "fully" or "semi" or "bolt action" arms, nor how much ammunition is permissible. "But Gas," you say, "the founding fathers could never have imagine the devastation that could be wrought by an uzi with a 50-round clip!" I say to you, what they imagined is that they wanted each and every willing American citizen to be just as armed and potentially deadly as any given soldier. You see, the second amendment is not about hunting, or home defense. It's about making foreign governments hesitant to invade, and domestic governments hesitant to oppress. Yes, at the time of the drafting of the constitution, they were thinking of ball muskets.... but at the time, the ball musket was the deadliest handheld implement of war yet devised. Therefore, a true interpretation of the second amendment would be that the only weapons illegal for purchase to private citizens should be those forbidden a soldier to carry.

And if you're scared of the wild west, remember that was a fiction contrived by the dime store novel industry. The murder rate per 100,000 in 5 "wild west" towns combined (Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell) was 1 per year. In 2007, in new york, it was 6. In Baltimore, it was 45. And bear in mind the difference in access to medical care post-shooting, and the quality of that care - if you were shot in 1870, you were just as likely as not to die of infection, no matter what "Doc Sawbones" did. Today, Hospitals are ubiquitous and antibiotics are common. So the "murder" rate is much less inflated than it would have been 150 years ago.

All that said, I own a shotgun.
 
I don't own any yet but I will be picking up a bolt action 30-06 for deer hunting this year or the next. Might add a pump action shotgun to that list at some point in the future as well.
 
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