Just curious what everyone's thoughts were. He's out of jail completely now, and the 2009 NFL Season is starting in a month. The NFL commissioner has reinstated him to be able to report to training camp/preseason, BUT can't play in a regular season game until Week 6. Is this too much? too little?
Michael Vick's return to football.
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He should be executed. Seriously, the guy is a sick fuck.
I'm gonna start printing my 'FREE MIKE VICK' t-shirts now.
Congratulations, NFL, for not just tolerating but embracing your reputation as a place where the scum of humanity are welcome to come earn millions of dollars.
So you think when someone commits a crime, they shouldn't get to return to work after they've paid their debt to society?
No, I am not extrapolating this situation to generalizations.Charlie Dont Surf said:
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I would never hire a rehabilitated ex-convict, even if they were incredibly good and efficient at their job. Can't have that kind of element in my organization.
I just think once you serve your time in prison, you shouldn't be barred from at least a chance to get paid doing what you used to do. I'd completely understand if no team wanted to take a chance on him. But further banning him is too severe. The NFL isn't the only corporation that hires people that have been convicted of crimes. I think it's an admirable thing to do since the country as a whole tends to shit on ex-cons a lot. We certainly could do more to encourage them to stay away from returning to a life of crime, but that's a whole 'nother thread.
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying and exactly how I feel.Kissinger said:
I think he should be allowed back in and I hate the guy.
I'm actually with you on this one. But I do understand that ex-cons represent a likelihood for more trouble as well. This is more of a problem with how good our prisons are at rehabilitation (that is, they completely suck) than the ex-cons themselves. It is a somewhat reasonable expectation that an ex-con is going to be a bad investment of time, money, and energy right now. That's in some part society's failing, I think.Charlie Dont Surf said:
Also, if you want a genuine debate on this topic, this is nowhere near the way to go about it.Charlie Dont Surf said:
Well, Charlie and Kissinger totally blew my cover with their cunning rhetorical trickery so what was left but to admit it?Shegokigo said:
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I think one of the problems with rehabilitation is the treatment of ex-cons after they are released and their ability to find jobs because they are ex-cons, It certainly doesn't help deter them from more than likely what sent them in there.
Secondly I feel he should be allowed to play, though its one of those things, NFL is hardly a haven for the morally and ethically elite, but these days its hard to find many fields that don't have blemishes.
Though I am quite sure this will devolve into a arguement of problems with 'double' punishments, as well as how are punishments decided in jobs or in the NFL.
Secondly I feel he should be allowed to play, though its one of those things, NFL is hardly a haven for the morally and ethically elite, but these days its hard to find many fields that don't have blemishes.
Though I am quite sure this will devolve into a arguement of problems with 'double' punishments, as well as how are punishments decided in jobs or in the NFL.
Yes, he did his time, but in his profession, he was idolized and made a role model. Due to his particular crime, I wouldn't allow him back in the league. I'm even trying to think of crimes that result in prison sentences (not just fines/community service/jail time) where I would allow someone back into the NFL, but can't.
No fucking rhetoric, no fucking mercy. This is one sick, heartless sack of shit. He may have "paid his debt" as far as the law of the land may be concerned, but to "society"? Not by a longshot. not as there are any among us who are still sickened by his actions. He wasn't just a participant in the ring, he RAN the ring and financed it. Goodell is a gutless coward for not sticking to his "code of conduct" and keeping him out.
Think about it the next time a neighbor's dog goes missing. Vick and his type routinely steal family pets out of yards to use as practice animals. This was his life off the field.
I sincerely hope that if he ever sees action in the NFL, he blows out both knees and both ankles in the first play of his first practice.
Think about it the next time a neighbor's dog goes missing. Vick and his type routinely steal family pets out of yards to use as practice animals. This was his life off the field.
I sincerely hope that if he ever sees action in the NFL, he blows out both knees and both ankles in the first play of his first practice.
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So, DarkAudit, you feel that the system has failed in this instance? That Vick should've had a longer or more severe sentence? What would your ideal solution for this situation be? How can we prevent failures like this from happening in the future?
He should be allowed to play. His broke the laws of society and the NFL never got around to deciding if he broke their rules. They just waited and now, if Vick has a good lawyer, I would say he has a case against the NFL if they forbid him from getting the chance to play football again. So the NFL is again not taking a stand, they will never reveal if they are going to suspend him or for how many games seasons, so no team will risk signing him until they know for certain when he can play for them.
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I don't know him, what he did, or the rules of the NFL, but a there was a situation similar in the English leagues recently.
Lee Hughes got convicted of death by dangerous driving, and leaving the scene of the accident. When he was released he got a new contract and began playing again, reasonably successfully in fact. And he does appear to be rehabilitated, so should be free to return to society. Except, that his is a job that people look up to, and idolise. Should he be allowed to return to such a publicly successful job? It seems a reasonable parallel to this Vick guy. It's not necessarily a question of rehabilitation, so much as setting a standard for others. If we could trust that everyone would know about his reformation, and his charity work etc, then great, but without that I worry that it could set a poor example, and we need to be careful of that, because if that causes any further harm to society then his sentence maybe wasn't large enough?
Lee Hughes got convicted of death by dangerous driving, and leaving the scene of the accident. When he was released he got a new contract and began playing again, reasonably successfully in fact. And he does appear to be rehabilitated, so should be free to return to society. Except, that his is a job that people look up to, and idolise. Should he be allowed to return to such a publicly successful job? It seems a reasonable parallel to this Vick guy. It's not necessarily a question of rehabilitation, so much as setting a standard for others. If we could trust that everyone would know about his reformation, and his charity work etc, then great, but without that I worry that it could set a poor example, and we need to be careful of that, because if that causes any further harm to society then his sentence maybe wasn't large enough?
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I wanted to say no at first, but I wonder what other skills this man has. I don't know anything about football or football players, but what if this is all he's trained for? Having no other prospects and feeling desperate can lead someone right back to less-than-wholesome activities.
As much as I hate what he did, I think it would be alright if he eventually got to play... eventually... as long as a close eye is kept on him. I guess part of what makes it harder to say that is that he's returning to a job where you get fame, a high income, and the adoration of young people who want to be just like the athletes. I always want to treat people in high-profile jobs differently in instances like this, but ultimately playing football is this man's work. I hope he's genuinely sorry and isn't simply sorry that he got caught.
As much as I hate what he did, I think it would be alright if he eventually got to play... eventually... as long as a close eye is kept on him. I guess part of what makes it harder to say that is that he's returning to a job where you get fame, a high income, and the adoration of young people who want to be just like the athletes. I always want to treat people in high-profile jobs differently in instances like this, but ultimately playing football is this man's work. I hope he's genuinely sorry and isn't simply sorry that he got caught.
He has been reinstated with conditions and if he can find a team will be eligible to play by week 6 of the 2009 season
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Yeah but there are coaches out there who are under extreme pressure to produce results who might want to pick up a proven QB for peanuts. It'll be nasty but I don't think he'll be sitting out the entire season.Zappit said:
I don't think so his new home town might forgive and forget but I bet he'll be sprinting to his SUV with a phalanx of security guards in every other city for the rest of his career.But then again, it would all be forgotten if he signed and did well.
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