Michael Vick's return to football.

[crono1224]

Clearly some people are huge animal lovers. Why such a huge punishment for dogs? While it is say morally or ethically wrong to do that to animals, I hardly find it to this point of where people are basically ready to lynch him. I like animals just as much as the next person and I find what he did to be heartless. But I think some people are not rational at all and are simply allowing their emotions to get the best of him.

 

[Shegokigo]

I like animals just as much as the next person

No. You don't.

 

I loathe what he did but I'm also a firm believer in allowing people who have paid their dues to be able to rejoin society.

 

[crono1224]

I like animals just as much as the next person

No. You don't.

waa sure I do .

 

[Cajungal]

I like animals just as much as the next person

No. You don't.

waa sure I do .

PUPPY KICKER!
:humph:

 

[SpecialKO]

Hey, he's paid his time and he's free to do whatever he wants.

Similarly, all the teams in the NFL are just as free to, say, never ever let him play for any of them, ever, ever, again.

 

[bigcountry23]

I predict he will play for Cleavland. Their fans will love him...

 

More like Baltimore or Cincy. Also, Dallas takes a lot of rejects on.

 

[Twitch]

I like animals just as much as the next person

No. You don't.

waa sure I do .

Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?

 

[@Li3n]

He should haver had his ears clipped and given a job fighting other idiots like himself... then his debt to society would have been payed.

 

[meyoumeyou]

Heck let him play right away for all I care, quickly enough people will get back to realizing how bad a quarterback he was turning out to be as his career progressed.

Unless he somehow fits in to some "slash" type role on offense (doubt it), I think he's fairly quickly going to fade out of the NFL spotlight once the controversy wears itself out. Not to mention he's not far at all from being over the hill in football age, not good for a player who's sole talent was pure athleticism.


oh, oops, I got off on the football side of things silly me...

...as far as what he did, I personally will enjoy seeing him fail ...(and I do believe he will, and I do hope fans at games rub it in well) ...but for the NFL not to let him in eventually would be a stark contrast to players who've been allowed back in the past. Players who were responsible for or involved in deaths of human beings.

 

[Math242]

well what was the point of prison if he can't get back to work once his time is served.

The guy is a waste of a human being, don't get me wrong but if he is not allowed to try to get his shit together by doing what he does best (playing football) after getting out of joint, you might as well throw the whole legal punishment system out of the window, take the convicts, line them against a wall and shoot them.

 

[Wahad]

Dogfighting, huh.

Meh, I don't know how I feel about that.

Then you have no soul. There is no "meh" when it comes to dogfighting.

I meant in the sense of 'I'm not sure if I hate him enough because of that for him to be barred from any future football career.'

See, my stance towards animals is pretty much the same as it is to humans I don't know - I like them in general, but if something bad happens to them, that sucks for them but since I have no personal attachment, why should I care?

It is a crime, of course, and it's cruel. Cruelty isn't relative. But he paid the price, more or less, so yeah.

 

[Dubyamn]

More like Baltimore or Cincy. Also, Dallas takes a lot of rejects on.

Balimore has a frontline QB who the fans would riot for if they sent him back to the bench and no way are they going to risk all the negative publicity for a back up QB.

Now if he was a wide receiver they would be considering it like they are for Brandon Marshall but not a QB at this time.

 

[Covar]

a) they let Adam Jones back in the league.
b) all Roger Goodell has given Vick is a chance.
c) Tony Dungee will be Vick's mentor to ensure Vick stays on the straight and narrow, and give Goodell a first hand look at Vick's off field development.

d) people talk about NFL players being role models and people to look up to. What does that say about the League though if they're not willing to give people a second chance after they've served their punishment? Its not a good message to send as well.

 

[@Li3n]

d) people talk about NFL players being role models and people to look up to.

:blue:

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

He should haver had his ears clipped and given a job fighting other idiots like himself... then his debt to society would have been payed.

I thought humans evolved past simplistic "eye for an eye" punishment thousands of years ago? We don't allow cruel and unusual punishment for a reason. Also society is human beings, not dogs.

Also, I'm fairly sure I don't remember anywhere in the list of crimes/charges/whatnot about the whole deal that he or anyone in his employ/posse ever went around stealing dogs out of people's yards.

This makes it seem like I think he's a great guy, and I really don't. What he did was terrible. I just think he deserves another chance and that a lot of people in this thread are overreacting.

 

[Armadillo]

The NFL is a private organization, and as such they have every right to either ban Vick for life or welcome him back with open arms and use him as the face of the league. They'd be pretty dumb to do the latter, but that's not what they're doing. All they're saying is that if a team wants to take on the risk of having him on their team, they can do so.

I wouldn't be thrilled if my team (Vikings) hired him, but I wouldn't banish them from my sports rotation forever if they did. As others have said, there are guys in all walks of life who've done worse things to human beings and are still gainfully employed, so the only reason people are coming down so much harder on Vick is because his victims were animals, which is an emotional response. No matter how understandable the emotions may be, they're usually not the best things to use when making decisions like these.

 

[Shegokigo]

I thought humans evolved past simplistic "eye for an eye" punishment thousands of years ago? We don't allow cruel and unusual punishment for a reason..

Pfft, if we employed a stricter eye for an eye punishment instead of the bullshit we call a justice system now..... I know exactly which career I'd be headed for.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

I thought humans evolved past simplistic "eye for an eye" punishment thousands of years ago? We don't allow cruel and unusual punishment for a reason..

Pfft, if we employed a stricter eye for an eye punishment instead of the bullshit we call a justice system now..... I know exactly which career I'd be headed for.

yes because you actually inflict pain on people and hurt human beings all the time, this is something you actually do. you are a monster that stalks and harms and kills people. you have a long history of doing this to living people and everyone is terrified of you because of this fact.

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

I thought humans evolved past simplistic "eye for an eye" punishment thousands of years ago? We don't allow cruel and unusual punishment for a reason..

Pfft, if we employed a stricter eye for an eye punishment instead of the bullshit we call a justice system now..... I know exactly which career I'd be headed for.

I agree we should torture, mutilate, and kill people convicted of crimes. Just like in the Dark Ages! That would show 'em! (Oh wait we actually do that last one and its effectiveness as a deterrent is questionable at best)

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

I agree we should torture, mutilate, and kill people convicted of crimes. Just like in the Dark Ages! That would show 'em! (Oh wait we actually do that last one and its effectiveness as a deterrent is questionable at best)

HOPE

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

Man, I just love VIOLENCE. And not just movie violence or stuff like that. Real, actual violence inflicted on other human beings. I enjoy it!

edit:

 

[Lally]

I think Michael Vick is a horrible person and did an unthinkable thing, and if he were signed to my team I would probably not root for them again until they changed ownership (our owner is a pretty despicable person but that would just be too much for me). However. I would like to use this opportunity to say that if I saw someone like Donte Stallworth (convicted of DUI manslaughter after hitting and killing a pedestrian while drunk) allowed to come back (which looks likely -- although I admit I haven't been watching my sportscenter recently) and Michael Vick wasn't allowed to, I would be pretty appalled as well.

 

[klew]

d) people talk about NFL players being role models and people to look up to. What does that say about the League though if they're not willing to give people a second chance after they've served their punishment? Its not a good message to send as well.

The NFL is considered the top league of the sport, they should have a higher set of standards. This goes for all pro sports.

"We've given you one chance to excel and make a name for yourself. You're in a position to make millions and be adored by millions. There are countless people who have wanted this opportunity and never got it. Don't blow it."

"Oh, you blew it. You knew you it was illegal, yet you decided to do it anyway. Time to find a different career like the rest of the joes who never got a chance."

 

[Shegokigo]

yes because you actually inflict pain on people and hurt human beings all the time, this is something you actually do. you are a monster that stalks and harms and kills people. you have a long history of doing this to living people and everyone is terrified of you because of this fact.

You know Charlie, you've been around for a while, and I knew it would take some time, but you finally got it! Phew, I was beginning to lose hope on ya.

I agree we should torture, mutilate, and kill people convicted of crimes. Just like in the Dark Ages!

YEAH! (I'm half tempted to put that quote in my sig. )

Man, I just love VIOLENCE. And not just movie violence or stuff like that. Real, actual violence inflicted on other human beings. I enjoy it!

You too? Oh we should compare notes and pictures!

 

[Steven Soderburgin]

you literally just used the smiley twice in one post.

-- Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:20 am --

but seriously your gimmick is really stupid

 

you literally just used the smiley twice in one post.

You, sir, are wonderful at stating the obvious.

But at least you used the word "literally" correct. That always pisses me off when people do it wrong.

 

[Shegokigo]

but seriously your gimmick is really stupid

Gimmick because you say so? :eyeroll:

Oh and one for the road.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

but seriously your gimmick is really stupid

Gimmick because you say so? :eyeroll:

Oh and one for the road.

It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

 

[Cat]

Come on, you know calling her out just gives her more of the attention she craves.

 

[Shegokigo]

It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

I've had the police visit my home once because of the forums (Halfpixel) I'm not dumb enough to admit anything seriously in a public venue again.

Come on, you know calling her out just gives her more of the attention she craves.

I'm craving attention because I like to talk about certain subjects? How is this any different than someone talking about movies?

 

[Math242]

oh yeah the time when you created an alt and came to halfpixel to "brag" and ask what you should do after implying you had murdered someone or at least done something that would get you life in jail.

I suppose that was the reason you got a visit from the police since Kris permabanned you and called the cops.

No, no, no you certainly don't crave attention at all !

 

[Denbrought]

It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

I've had the police visit my home once because of the forums (Halfpixel) I'm not dumb enough to admit anything seriously in a public venue again.

Oh lol, I didn't get to hear that one. Care to share the story again?

 

[The Messiah]

As your duly elected Messiah and savior, I declare this motherfucker to be a motherfucking monster who deserves no less than the same treatment he inflicted upon the animals he once tended.

Also,

-- Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:18 pm --

It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

I've had the police visit my home once because of the forums (Halfpixel) I'm not dumb enough to admit anything seriously in a public venue again.

Oh lol, I didn't get to hear that one. Care to share the story again?

Dude, NO!