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Millard South Shooting (was My Exciting Day)

#1

Dave

Dave

http://www.omaha.com/article/20110105/NEWS97/110109863#shooter-at-millard-south-critical-injuries

My daughter's school went on lockdown because of a shooting. Police know who it is and are looking for the shooter.

News say two people are injured - 1 critially - and at least one of them is an adult male.

Will post more as I get details. My wife is headed in to the church next door to the school right now as that's where we are to pick up the kids early.


#2



Jiarn

My best wishes that everything is ok Dave. I'd have jumped fences and broken windows to find my kids in that situation. Keep us updated.


#3

Dave

Dave

Just got a text/email from the school:

Millard South High School is in a lock down. Students are safe. Police are in control of the building. Police advise that parents go to the church just to the west of the school (Divine Shepard Church) where they can wait until police provide an orderly dismissal of students.

DO NOT COME to Millard South High School property.

We will update you as soon as possible.
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Jesus Christ. This is frightening.


#4

Cajungal

Cajungal

God... I hope that no one else gets hurt.


#5



Disconnected

:(


#6

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Holy crap, Dave, that's some school day! I hope your daughter and everyone else is okay.

And no, you don't need to keep us posted. You need to get your daughter home, safe and sound. She needs her dad more than the forum needs Dave the floppy-titted admin.

Just wanted to say that, man... I ain't a praying type of guy, but I'll be thinking about your daughter and her schoolmates.


#7

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Damn dude... I hope everything is okay. Hang in there... I can only imagine the temptation to go to the school itself must be overwhelming.


#8

Espy

Espy

Wow... really hope everyone is ok. :(


#9

Dave

Dave

Update:

The shooter is in custody. He went into the school and shot the Principal and one other person in the office. The Principal, Dr. Case, was taken by helicopter to the hospital and the other person's condition is unknown. I've spoken with my daughter and although she was close to the shooting she didn't see anything and is fine.

Edit:

The shooter is sort of in custody. They had him surrounded in his car but the police have called it in as Code 4 - DOA. So he probably shot himself.


#10



Jiarn

Wow. Just..... yeah, wow.


#11

Piotyr

Piotyr

Did the kids get out of the school yet? Everyone safe and at home yet?


#12

Cheesy1

Cheesy1

Associated Press article:
Police: 2 adults wounded in Omaha school shooting


#13

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Man, I hate those situations. I hope you and your family will be OK.


#14

PatrThom

PatrThom

In what may become the understatement of the week, I have to say that I am glad you and your family are OK.

--Patrick


#15

Mathias

Mathias

Dave said:
Update:

The shooter is in custody. He went into the school and shot the Principal and one other person in the office. The Principal, Dr. Case, was taken by helicopter to the hospital and the other person's condition is unknown. I've spoken with my daughter and although she was close to the shooting she didn't see anything and is fine.

Edit:

The shooter is sort of in custody. They had him surrounded in his car but the police have called it in as Code 4 - DOA. So he probably shot himself.
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Well now my job doesn't seem so bad...

Friggin crazy-ass high school kids.
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Cheesy1 said:
Associated Press article:
Police: 2 adults wounded in Omaha school shooting
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Ah Yahoo News comments:

Good thing I homeschool my kids. And good thing I have THREE guns at my house. Criminals, beware! The whole family knows how to use 'em... if the dogs don't get you first!
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:facepalm:


#16

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Hope your daughter will be okay, Dave. She's physically okay, I just mean I hope she won't be too shaken up by it.


#17

Emrys

Emrys

I'm so glad to hear your daughter is physically OK. Hopefully, the school will provide counselling to the students and families who want/need it.


#18

Piotyr

Piotyr

Mathias said:
Ah Yahoo News comments:



:facepalm:
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I just read articles under the assumption that every comment is a troll attempt. Best case scenario, someone is trying to be stupidly funny, worst case scenario the person is genuinely stupid. Best not to dwell on it, though.


#19

Dave

Dave

The shooter has yet to be named but was a senior at the school. It's very likely I know the shooter as well as the victim.
Added at: 14:50
Students are being released a few at a time.
Added at: 14:56
Shooter's dad was a cop. Rumors (by the press) are he used his dad's gun in the shooting.


#20

Emrys

Emrys

Da-yum.


#21

Gusto

Gusto

Jesus shit.


#22

Frank

Frankie Williamson

A school shooting is a nightmare situation. I'm glad your daughter is alright Dave.


#23

Dave

Dave

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Robert's last Facebook update.


#24

Hylian

Hylian

I am glad to hear that your daughter is alright Dave. I can only imagine what you were/are feeling about all this but I hope everything goes well and that your daughter (or the rest of your family) isn't to shook up over the incident.


#25

Gusto

Gusto

Fuuuuuuck.

Murder/suicide notes are somehow much creepier when left on Facebook.


#26

Emrys

Emrys

Bloody hell. There but for the grace of God/Allah/The Lady go so many kids. That poor bugger.


#27

Dave

Dave

Kerri is waiting at the church to get Sammi. Nothing yet. When I hear from them I'll update. I know she's fine but I can't stop surfing twitter, facebook, etc.


#28



Jiarn

Reminds me of all the "true" murder confessions on 4chan.


#29

Piotyr

Piotyr

News is reporting that the shooter was discovered dead in a car about a mile away from the school.

Hopeful that the situation has calmed down at the school and that everyone else is OK.


#30

Krisken

Krisken

I can't imagine how shocking this must be for you and your family Dave. I'm glad to hear your daughter is unharmed, though.


#31

Mathias

Mathias

Dave said:
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Robert's last Facebook update.
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I know this is still a serious situation, but I read Omaha as Obama. When I realized it was Omaha, I had a chuckle.

How old is this kid? Is this an example of typical High School grammar? I feel sad.


#32

HowDroll

HowDroll

Just saw this on CNN. I'm glad your daughter is safe, Dave. Scary stuff :(


#33

Dave

Dave

At one point today I had on:

  1. Television
  2. Radio
  3. Police Scanner
  4. Twitter (Millard South is the #1 trending Topic in the WORLD today. Last time that happened? Westroads shooting.)
  5. Facebook

But even though my daughter is fine there are a number of people who will be more affected by this.

  1. Detective Robert Butler Sr. and his family. Father of the shooter. An Omaha Detective.
  2. Principal Case and his family.
  3. Asst. Principal Kaspar and her family.
  4. The kids who were at lunch and right next to the office when the shooting happened.
  5. A friend of my daughter's whose mother was one of the victims of the Von Maur shooting at the Westroads Mall. How this is affecting her I have no idea.


#34

Piotyr

Piotyr

Any news on Dr. Kaspar's condition?


#35

Dave

Dave

Piotyr said:
Any news on Dr. Kaspar's condition?
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Not yet. They aren't releasing anything yet.


#36

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Hey Dave,

Hope things are okay over there, both in the immediate and aftermath of emotion kind of way. Let your family know we are chock full of support vibes!


#37

drawn_inward

drawn_inward

Glad your daughter is safe. That's a terrible thing for kids to go through.


#38

Dave

Dave

I've been manning the phones here at home. Since this went nationwide I'm hearing from everybody. Even though my daughter is usually banned from the computer on school nights, I think I'm going to let her get on tonight. I doubt she has any homework and it'll be good for her to talk it out with her friends both near and far.


#39

Krisken

Krisken

Probably better that way. The sooner the news reaches you after a shooting, the more likely he passed away. He'll be in critical condition for a few days before moving to ICU.


#40

Dave

Dave

One thing I do have to say, and that's that the Omaha Police Department did an awesome job in responding. From first shooting to apprehending the guy (or finding him as the case may be) it was only 30 minutes. They had his information posted before he left the area. Fantastic job with this and getting the information out.
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Update:

Sammi is home. More when I have a chance to talk things out. He was one of her friends.


#41

strawman

strawman

Aw man.


#42

Hylian

Hylian

Well go home and spend time with your family and talk things out with your daughter and I hope that this whole event hasn't shaken her up to much.


#43

Krisken

Krisken

Updated 2 minutes ago on Yahoo.

"Police say Kaspar is in critical condition and Case is in stable condition at an area hospital."


#44



Biannoshufu

Jesus. Dave, I hope Sammi pulls through this ok!


#45

Dave

Dave

Update:

Sammi was huddled in a classroom for over 2 hours. She was in class when it came over the intercom: "Attention: The school is under Code Red lockdown. This is NOT a test!" After that, the teacher moved them all into a corner that could not be seen from the door. They were not allowed to text or call anyone or speak as it had to be as silent as possible. They had also shut off the lights so it was dark in the room. For 2 hours. They had NO idea what was going on, if the shooter was still in the school or anything else.

Once they finally found out what was going on they still had to stay there for a long time. About 4 hours later they were finally released. To get released to their parents they had to go through 3 individual checkpoints and get counted and marked off. After the third checkpoint they were released ONLY if their parents were there. A great number of kids who were eating lunch at the time had to hide in the kitchen.

Now to Robert. My daughter says he was a nice kid who was very funny and fun to be around. He worked with kids and had a big heart. This morning he was suspended by Dr. Kaspar for driving his car onto the football field and doing a lot of damage to the turf. He left, went home, posted the above on Facebook, grabbed his dad's gun and went back to the school.

Right now there's a lot of people blaming the kid's dad, the school administration and whatever else they think can make them justify what happened. But this kid messed up and didn't know how to handle it. I don't know why he did what he did and I doubt anyone ever will. But he deserves our thoughts as much as the others.


#46

Piotyr

Piotyr

I'm glad nobody else got hurt (physically). I don't think there was anything the school's administration could have done better, and suspending a kid for driving on the football field is hardly out of line.


#47



XSammiKaneX

Robert was charismatic and outgoing. He worked with children, gave his all for his friends, and he was always smiling. He did whatever he could to help people. It's so difficult to believe that such a sweet boy could do such a horrible thing.
Yes, he was suspended earlier today for tearing up turf on the football field. He then left and came back during the lunch hour. However, it is unclear whether or not this was his only motive, but I think it is safe to assume that it was his breaking point.
He walked into the school, shot Dr. Kasper in the head first, and then shot Dr. Case. He then fired a random shot down the main hall way and proceeded to flee the scene.
Dad informed you all of their conditions, I believe, but now it's being said that they aren't sure if Dr. Kasper will make it.
Thankfully, nobody else was injured.
We still have school tomorrow, as far as we all know. Students and teachers should soon be able to pick up their cars and take them home.

I do not know why Robert did what he did, but his father does not deserve any blame. Robert made his own choices, God rest his soul and may he rest in peace, and sadly other shall have to suffer for them. We can only hope that Dr. Case and Kasper recover and hope that some good comes from this.


#48

Dave

Dave

That's my girl.
Added at: 18:34
Classes are canceled for tomorrow and will resume Friday. I think I might stay home, too.


#49

Hylian

Hylian

Such a tragic event made even more tragic by the loss of life and the fact that we will probably never know the full reasons the kid did what he did. My wishes go out to the families of everyone involved in the incident and I hope they are all able to cope with the situation (at least as well as can be expected given the circumstances).


( Dave spend time with your family and take care :) )


#50



Biannoshufu

Dave said:
That's my girl.
Added at: 18:34
Classes are canceled for tomorrow and will resume Friday. I think I might stay home, too.
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If we see you on the forum no food for three days. *dominatrix boot*


#51

Dave

Dave

I'll be on the forum. She'll be in her room. I'll be here for moral support.


#52

jwhouk

jwhouk

Wow. And here I thought I was having a crappy day with a water leak in the basement.

Go have a family day, Dave.


#53

DarkAudit

DarkAudit

^ This.


#54

jwhouk

jwhouk

Wow. More I'm reading about this, it's just... wow.

And that Facebook page thing. ####.


#55



kaykordeath

One more voice sending hugs and thoughts your way.


#56

Dave

Dave

Assistant Principal Kaspar has died.


#57

Emrys

Emrys

Prayers to his family, colleagues, and all the students.


#58

Piotyr

Piotyr

:(


#59

PatrThom

PatrThom

Obviously Rob Jr.'s actions are nobody's responsibility but his own. I'm not even sure I can fault the father for leaving the weapon accessible, since were I an officer of the law, I would want to make sure my family could defend themselves if someone with a grudge against me (or my position) came knocking at/in my door and I was not at home. It's a shame he decided not to face up to his actions. I honestly don't know why he would've thought this was something worthwhile enough to throw away his life. If he were going to sacrifice himself, I would've hoped it would be for something more meaningful than mitigating his own embarrassment, and not in a way which brought suspicion and dishonor on his family.

I know some of the above may sound a bit...cold, but I just can't think of someone deciding to sacrifice themselves for anything that wasn't undeniably Epic (at least to them) in nature, and certainly not spur-of-the-moment. I almost wonder if his intended target was really his father, and the school was merely the billboard upon which he decided to write his message.

--Patrick


#60

Dave

Dave

I don't know. I just know that Dr. Kaspar's son is a teacher at the school and that her birthday was tomorrow. *sigh*


#61

Krisken

Krisken

That's horrible. Something like this will always leave people with more questions than answers. Sadly those questions will never be answered.

I am at a loss of words on what to say during something such as this. It always rings hollow to me and never feels like enough. I can't know how you feel, I can't understand the pain you must be feeling for the loss of a friend and Principals you've no doubt seen in the hallway all the time. All I can say is I send my sympathies and hope you and their families never experience a tragedy like this again.


#62

phil

phil

High school is a tough time, but there's never an excuse for this.


More and more we need to teach the younger generation that things get better. High school is when you first really start to notice the bullshit all around you and how life is not and never will be fair and so it seems like a really challenging time. I don't know what all this kid was dealing with besides his suspension but I wish he had known that his problems won't mean a thing latter on in life.


#63

Cajungal

Cajungal

Oh, no.... I'm so thankful that your daughter is safe, but I'm so sorry for the him. I'll say a prayer for his family tonight. I hope that his family has lots of love and support around them in this difficult time. You guys have a restful day tomorrow. I'm so sorry y'all had to go through this.


#64



wana10

Glad to hear your daughter's ok dave.


#65

@Li3n

@Li3n

phil said:
More and more we need to teach the younger generation that things get better. High school is when you first really start to notice the bullshit all around you and how life is not and never will be fair and so it seems like a really challenging time. I don't know what all this kid was dealing with besides his suspension but I wish he had known that his problems won't mean a thing latter on in life.
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Dude, any problem that makes you shoot someone and then kill yourself is either way more serious then a suspension or the result of some mental illness... not likely to just go away after high school is over.


#66

phil

phil

I disagree, to a point. Obviously there will always be people who are just messed up for whatever reason and there's not much anyone can do with them. I'm not convinced this kid, or most kids that age are like that. If what Sammi says is true and he helped younger kids a lot and was a generally good kid then I'm thinking he just got to some breaking point that only seems as bleak as it is because you're in high school and everything is more dramatic when you're 18.

Maybe he was a bad kid at home, and this suspension meant getting kicked out of his home. Or maybe he was really good and this was the most trouble he'd ever been in and he feared an extreme punishment from his parents. I don't know him, his parents or anyone involved so I can't say. I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if there was more to this then him having some kind of go crazy and kill yourself and others "mental illness"


#67

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

I'm in no shape or fashion qualified to even guess what was going through this young man's head when he picked up the gun. If anyone here is, it's likely Sammi herself. She knew him, and by the way you wrote, Sammi, it sounds like you too were pretty shook up by all this. Not just because of the shooting, but because it was someone you knew and apparently considered a friend.

I can't even begin to fathom what that must feel like. But if you ever need someone to talk to... well, your dad's got a bunch of us weirdos here, all ready to lend a shoulder to lean on and an ear for listening.

I'm sorry to hear about Dr Kaspar. Godspeed for them and their family. No one should have to go like that... And I hope you, Dave and Sammi, will get over this well. I'm sorry if that sounds a little awkward, I'm just not very good at giving condolences in English.

Take care, okay?


#68

Mathias

Mathias

We can hindsight into motives all day. Fact is, a guy just lost his life doing a job that should NEVER risk it.

I'm sure the young man was a nice boy, but obviously he had some deep seeded issues.

It's just a bad situation overall.


#69

Dave

Dave

Westboro has already said that they will be at her funeral. I'm not sure how I feel about that.


#70

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Dave said:
Westboro has already said that they will be at her funeral. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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Great, now they're going to try and turn a somber funeral into a damn circus... man I can't stand that Westboro church group.


#71

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Dave said:
Westboro has already said that they will be at her funeral. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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I have very little connection to the event. And the idea that they will be there angers me.


#72



XSammiKaneX

Let them protest. It's their right as Americans, but I sure hope they know that they're facing another army by messing with the Patriots. Our school saying is "We are Millard South" and it has never rung so true. So, let them protest at Dr. Kaspar's funeral. They will not succeed in whatever it is they're trying to do and they're facing thousands of people.


#73

Dave

Dave

I'm thinking of making a giant sign and standing with them.

"See, folks? Proof incest is bad." with an arrow pointing at them.


#74



XSammiKaneX

Dave said:
I'm thinking of making a giant sign and standing with them.

"See, folks? Proof incest is bad." with an arrow pointing at them.
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They aren't even worth that much effort.


#75

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Dave said:
I'm thinking of making a giant sign and standing with them.

"See, folks? Proof incest is bad." with an arrow pointing at them.
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That would be hilarious... but your daughter is right about them.


#76

Emrys

Emrys

XSammiKaneX said:
They aren't even worth that much effort.
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Very true. The absolute worst thing you could do to these people is ignore them. Not yell at them, taunt them, or even laugh at them. Just pretending they don't exist would shrivel their pathetic, attention-starved, childish egos.
<no offense to children, who are much more mature than the Westboro Baptist Church>


#77



XSammiKaneX

Emrys said:
Very true. The absolute worst thing you could do to these people is ignore them. Not yell at them, taunt them, or even laugh at them. Just pretending they don't exist would shrivel their pathetic, attention-starved, childish egos.
<no offense to children, who are much more mature than the Westboro Baptist Church>
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Exactly. They do this crap to get negative reactions for which they can sue for money to feed their hate. They want our attention. They want people to be angry about it and outraged and they want people to lash out so that they can try to prosecute them.


#78

Dave

Dave

More than likely I'll be in the service with Sammi anyway.


#79



Jiarn

As much as I hope that my children never have to experience a situation like this, I can at least hope they'll have the love and support of everyone around them like you do Sammi.


#80

Mathias

Mathias

I actually like what certain biker groups do at Marine funerals WBC protests. They circle around the WBC protesters and rev the piss out of their Harley's.


#81

Hylian

Hylian

phil said:
High school is a tough time, but there's never an excuse for this.


More and more we need to teach the younger generation that things get better.
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#82

Mathias

Mathias

When most adults tell teens that "they have it so good" it's because they see their own childhood with rose-colored goggles, and can't empathize with a modern teenager's situation. After all, you've got mortgage, car repairs, career, money, bills, etc to worry about. All your snot-nosed punk kid has to worry about is looking cool and getting invited to next weeks party. Being a teenager sucks. Most adults forget that.

If I were to look back and tell myself that High School was without a doubt the greatest point of my life to this point, I'd seriously have to reevaluate the kind of life I was living.


#83

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Oh, for fucks sake. Like the situation isn't already bad enough.

(Sorry, that was in response to Westboro showing up. Bit late to the "party".)


#84



Jiarn

Hated my teen years, would go back in a heartbeat and tell myself that it gets better with every year after. No question.


#85

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Sammi, I just want to say that you are coming across as unbelievably smart and strong during this whole ordeal. My hat goes off to you. You're destroying about a million myths that people (even me) have about High School students.

Dave, you raised one hell of a daughter.


#86

Emrys

Emrys

ThatNickGuy said:
Sammi, I just want to say that you are coming across as unbelievably smart and strong during this whole ordeal. My hat goes off to you. You're destroying about a million myths that people (even me) have about High School students.

Dave, you raised one hell of a daughter.
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I second that emotion.


#87

ncts_dodge_man

ncts_dodge_man

Emrys said:
I second that emotion.
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Thirded.

Both my mom and my older sister work in schools (my sister is a Special Ed Teacher and my mom is a Special Ed aide (different schools)) - I can't imagine what it'd be like to be at a school that has that type of stuff happen at it.


#88

Mathias

Mathias

Jiarn said:
Hated my teen years, would go back in a heartbeat and tell myself that it gets better with every year after. No question.
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The only way I'd go back to High School, or my teen years is if I could go back knowing what I know now.

Probably the only thing I miss about my teen years is my physique at age 18-20. That's about it.


#89

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

You know, my high school years sucked. I was bullied badly till about grade 10 and I had to be shipped off to a private school just so I could actually graduate instead of failing everything. The important thing though is that I wouldn't be who I am today without those experiences... and I'm happy with who I am.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to go back and do it again though... *shudders*


#90

Mathias

Mathias

Azurephoenix said:
You know, my high school years sucked. I was bullied badly till about grade 10 and I had to be shipped off to a private school just so I could actually graduate instead of failing everything. The important thing though is that I wouldn't be who I am today without those experiences... and I'm happy with who I am.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to go back and do it again though... *shudders*
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Why hello there, Marcel Proust.


#91



Jiarn

Mathias said:
The only way I'd go back to High School, or my teen years is if I could go back knowing what I know now.

Probably the only thing I miss about my teen years is my physique at age 18-20. That's about it.
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I dunno about either of those. If I didn't experience the things I did, I wouldn't be the person I am now, and I'm damn happy with who that is. Also, my physique is much better now than the stick figure I represented back then -laugh-


#92

Mathias

Mathias

Jiarn said:
I dunno about either of those. If I didn't experience the things I did, I wouldn't be the person I am now, and I'm damn happy with who that is. Also, my physique is much better now than the stick figure I represented back then -laugh-
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Maybe not the physique, just the whole youth aspect of it. I had a lot more energy back then.


#93

Azurephoenix

Azurephoenix

Mathias said:
Why hello there, Marcel Proust.
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I'm afraid you lost me on this one...


#94



XSammiKaneX

ThatNickGuy said:
Sammi, I just want to say that you are coming across as unbelievably smart and strong during this whole ordeal. My hat goes off to you. You're destroying about a million myths that people (even me) have about High School students.

Dave, you raised one hell of a daughter.
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Thank you so much. That means a lot to me and I appreciate it. It's a difficult time for all of us, but we all have amazing support. The whole community is behind us. The ribbon I have as my photo right now, is the profile picture of over 500 people on Facebook right now. From South, from other schools, from Omaha, from Nebraska, even from the students that were here for the exchange program (Germany). There are so many things being done for the people effected and we've all come together. Our school's saying is "I am Millard South. You are Millard South. We are Millard South." and now we all see that it is so true. Thank you all for your support. It is greatly appreciated.


#95

Covar

Covar

Dave, Sammi, I wish you both well.


#96

Espy

Espy

Covar said:
Dave, Sammi, I wish you both well.
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Ditto. Have been and will be praying for the school and families this affected.


#97



TheBrew

Just lending another voice of support. I will send positive thoughts.


#98

Mathias

Mathias

Azurephoenix said:
I'm afraid you lost me on this one...
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Watch Little Miss Sunshine.


#99

strawman

strawman

Azurephoenix said:
I'm afraid you lost me on this one...
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Quoted from Little Miss Sunshine:

Dwayne: I wish I could just sleep until I was eighteen and skip all this crap-high school and everything-just skip it.
Frank: Do you know who Marcel Proust is?
Dwayne: He's the guy you teach.
Frank: Yeah. French writer. Total loser. Never had a real job. Unrequited love affairs. Gay. Spent 20 years writing a book almost no one reads. But he's also probably the greatest writer since Shakespeare. Anyway, he uh... he gets down to the end of his life, and he looks back and decides that all those years he suffered, Those were the best years of his life, 'cause they made him who he was. All those years he was happy? You know, total waste. Didn't learn a thing. So, if you sleep until you're 18... Ah, think of the suffering you're gonna miss. I mean high school? High school-those are your prime suffering years. You don't get better suffering than that.
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#100

Mathias

Mathias

That discussion could also take on a very Nietzschian direction as well.


#101

jwhouk

jwhouk

Dave said:
Westboro has already said that they will be at her funeral. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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Oh, you HAVE GOT to be kidding me. :Leyla: Where's the facepalm smiley?


#102

jwhouk

jwhouk

Sammi, Dave: I've changed my FB profile photo to the ribbon. One more in support.


#103

Cajungal

Cajungal

Thought about y'all today. Just checkin' in. I hope everything is relatively all right.


#104

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Dave said:
Westboro has already said that they will be at her funeral. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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Is it illegal to throw pies at protesters? Pies with bees in them.


#105

Krisken

Krisken

I imagine it would constitute assault. Even without the bees.


#106

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

XSammiKaneX said:
Exactly. They do this crap to get negative reactions for which they can sue for money to feed their hate. They want our attention. They want people to be angry about it and outraged and they want people to lash out so that they can try to prosecute them.
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Damn... sometimes I wonder what the heck Dave has done that his daughter is so reasonable and level-headed.


#107

IronBrig4

IronBrig4

Well I'm glad Sammi's okay.

High school didn't suck for me, but it certainly didn't rock either. I wasn't picked on much but I never got invited to the big parties. I spent my weekends playing D&D and doing stuff with my Boy Scout troop. Senior year was a bit better because we moved overseas and I went to a tiny international school (graduating class of 15 students). Like most high schoolers, I kinda just existed.

College, however, was a blast for me.


#108

Krisken

Krisken

He told her about us and cautioned her that if she wasn't careful she'd be one of us some day.


#109

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

ncts_dodge_man said:
Thirded.
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or in other words, fourthed.


#110

strawman

strawman

Krisken said:
He told her about us and cautioned her that if she wasn't careful she'd be one of us some day.
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Now if that isn't a fate to be avoided, nothing is.


#111

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Woah I read about this earlier but didn't realize it hit so close to you Dave. Glad your daughter is okay and I will take a moment of silence for the sad loss of life.


#112

DarkAudit

DarkAudit

Here's a comforting thought: if the WBC continues down it's present path, eventually the inbreeding will catch up with them and future generations won't have a chance of getting into even As Soon As Your Check Clears You Graduate Upstairs School of Lawyering.


#113



Wasabi Poptart

@Dave - I'm glad to hear Sammi is ok.


#114

Dave

Dave

Here's what I'm going to do to the WBC people.

I'm going to walk up to them, look them right in the eyes, say "I forgive you." then walk away.


#115

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

On the "it gets better": It does, and it's so, so stupid how adults say childhood's the best years of your life. I didn't believe that even when I was a kid--I couldn't wait to grow up, and I'd never wanna go through all that again.


#116

Krisken

Krisken

Dig it, Dave. Really do.


#117

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

escushion said:
On the "it gets better": It does, and it's so, so stupid how adults say childhood's the best years of your life. I didn't believe that even when I was a kid--I couldn't wait to grow up, and I'd never wanna go through all that again.
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Kids want to be adults so they can do whatever they want.

Adults want to be kids so they can do almost whatever they want again. :p


#118

Krisken

Krisken

ThatNickGuy said:
Kids want to be adults so they can do whatever they want.

Adults want to be kids so they don't have to be responsible. :p
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FTFY.


#119

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Heh, that's what I originally wrote.


#120

Mathias

Mathias

Krisken said:
FTFY.
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Nail +Head = hit


#121

bhamv3

bhamv3

I missed this while it was happening, but I definitely agree that Sammi's being incredibly strong and intelligent about this. Dave, I've said it before, but it bears repeating: Great job raising your daughter. Sammi, great job being you.

Best wishes to everyone affected by this.

And as for best years and growing up, I agree with Calvin:


#122

Calleja

Calleja

Holy shit. Just... holy shit. Turbs, if you need anything, you know where to find me.


#123

Krisken

Krisken

He needs laughter, Calleja.

So, without further ado...

You know where to find Calleja. At the Starbucks. With a Cougar.

I think I won a game of clue.


#124

Calleja

Calleja

But that's SEXY not FUNNY <_<


#125

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Weren't you floating west of Cancun?


#126

Calleja

Calleja

You can't float west of Cancun, silly. It's land there. There's lots of stuff west of Cancun.


#127

Cajungal

Cajungal

Acapulco.


#128

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

Late to the party. Everything that I could have said has already been said, from condolences on the loss of a friend and instructor, to compliments to Sammi's level-headedness and maturity in a time of crisis and mourning, to bemoaning the desire of WBC to once again troll America.

All things told, I feel that the best way to handle the trolls is to simply form a human shield between them and the grieving parties, with backs turned. Something like this would not be a normal mission for the Patriot Guard Riders, but given the fact that WBC will be in attendance, getting in contact with the local ride captain might be worth a call, Dave.


#129

Dave

Dave

The Patriot Guard only attends those events at the expressed wishes of the victim's family. As I am not I can't ask.


#130



XSammiKaneX

It is my extreme pleasure, and possibly sadistic little sense of humor, that Westboro Baptist Church is going to be 3 blocks away from the funeral service itself and will be completely out of sight. Basically, this is where we all do a little victory jig and giggle that their efforts are futile and their hate mongering will have no effect.
Let them stew over that one for a while, shall we?


#131

DarkAudit

DarkAudit

I'd suggest a mass point and laugh at the WBC, but that would mean acknowledging their existence.


#132



XSammiKaneX

Mathias said:
That discussion could also take on a very Nietzschian direction as well.
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I didn't see that until today, but indeed it could.
"Let us beware of saying that death is the opposite of life. The living being is only a species of the dead, and a very rare species. " - Nietzsche
And only one of many.


#133

jwhouk

jwhouk

Sadly, this shooting got tossed off the front pages by another shooting in AZ - this time a congresswoman and a Federal judge.

Sometimes I wonder if the increase in this sort of crap comes from the general feeling of hope for the future by the populace of a country. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a way to do an accurate study about this.


#134

Jay

Jay

North_Ranger said:
Is it illegal to throw pies at protesters? Pies with bees in them.
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Is it illegal to throw pies at protesters? Pies with bees in them.
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North_Ranger said:
Is it illegal to throw pies at protesters? Pies with bees in them.
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#135

Dave

Dave

Triple post?


And if the WBC was there - and it was rumored that they were - nobody saw them, they got nothing in the paper, nothing on the news and NO counter-protesters. Let them stand in the snow 3 blocks away with their signs of hate. Nobody cared.


#136

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Dave said:
Triple post?


And if the WBC was there - and it was rumored that they were - nobody saw them, they got nothing in the paper, nothing on the news and NO counter-protesters. Let them stand in the snow 3 blocks away with their signs of hate. Nobody cared.
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This makes me giggle gleefully. Thank you, Dave ^_^


#137

Krisken

Krisken

WBC.... is that a bowling league? (I keed, I keed!)


#138

drifter

drifter

What's with all the hate for the World Baseball Classic?


#139



Chibibar

sorry for the late comer (I was on vacation and post/read very little) I am glad everything turn out alright (With Sammi and everyone) I am glad you are with family and friends Sammi :)

I know how you feel. All I can say is that make sure you talk with your family and friends.

note: I attend Richardson High and graduate at 93. I was 2 rooms away in the 1991 incident. :(


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