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GasBandit

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A video I kept meaning to post that was interesting (to me) relating to the impact of international box office vs domestic office on movies lately.

She's got interesting information to relay, but god damn those "so like y'know okay right" crutches. I can't stand listening to it.
 
^Big fan of Wild Wild West.
Oh yeah I am. I loved "Wild, Wild West." Not as big of a fan of Wild, Wild West, but at least it wasn't outright awful.
That scene in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles was pure genius, though. You know the one I mean.

--Patrick
 
Oh yeah I am. I loved "Wild, Wild West." Not as big of a fan of Wild, Wild West, but at least it wasn't outright awful.
How can you not love Wild Wild West? It had a giant spider in the third act. Don't you know the spider is the most dangerous creature in the insect kingdom?
 
How can you not love Wild Wild West? It had a giant spider in the third act. Don't you know the spider is the most dangerous creature in the insect kingdom?
I think what I remember most about that scene was the poorly-executed pull and the superfluous twanging of guy wires.

--Patrick
 
Like most things about the new Star Trek, it's lazy.
I tried to explain this to a friend, while trying to explain to her why Star Wars wasn't exactly Sci-Fi ether (Just the movies though, the rest of the EU IS sci-fi) and her response was basically "Fuck off, did you read that on the net?". When I asked her to compare the discusive and peace-seeking nature of the previous movies and the previous series with that of the new movies, the response became "What, that boring shit?" and that's the point I just shut off my brain and stopped bothering.

(They aren't about exploring a possible reality, it's changes, and the ramifications of those changes on any meaningful level so it's not sci-fi. It's just fantasy wrapped in space trappings and there is NOTHING wrong with that, but it's not sci-fi. It took a Chris Avellone game made some 20+ years after the fact to REALLY look at just how horrific the Force is)
 
I tried to explain this to a friend, while trying to explain to her why Star Wars wasn't exactly Sci-Fi ether (Just the movies though, the rest of the EU IS sci-fi) and her response was basically "Fuck off, did you read that on the net?". When I asked her to compare the discusive and peace-seeking nature of the previous movies and the previous series with that of the new movies, the response became "What, that boring shit?" and that's the point I just shut off my brain and stopped bothering.

(They aren't about exploring a possible reality, it's changes, and the ramifications of those changes on any meaningful level so it's not sci-fi. It's just fantasy wrapped in space trappings and there is NOTHING wrong with that, but it's not sci-fi. It took a Chris Avellone game made some 20+ years after the fact to REALLY look at just how horrific the Force is)
That's largely why I've always enjoyed Star Trek more than Star Wars. Not that Star Wars isn't enjoyable, but I LIKE how episodes openly discuss social issues or the dangers of potential technologies. That's what good science fiction is. It's not about flashy spaceships, robots, and lasers. It's about using the sci-fi elements (whatever it may be in the story) to explore a concept and its ramifications. Which, as you point out to your friend, isn't Star Wars. Which is totally fine. Star Wars is an incredibly fun, pulp-like romp, with hundreds of iconic moments, memorable moments, and quotable lines. But there's isn't a LOT of philosophical debate to be had from it that I know of.
 
"That boring shit" is the main reason we watched the shows.

--Patrick
Exactly! Star Trek is ALL about looking at the repercussions of it's world and sometimes that means you get two guys debating at each other for the entire episode or even just talking to the viewer. Nevermind that some of best episodes (Chain of Command, In The Pale Moonlight, Measure of a Man, etc) are ALL about this slow format.
 
That said, to be fair, some of the those episodes can get a little ham-handed or soap-boxy. For example, one of my favourite episodes is Far Beyond the Stars from DS9, where Sisko imagines he's a pulp writer in the 40s. Great episode, but I thought the actor went a little too overboard in the acting in his speech at the end. Some of the discussions are also a little too on the nose and feel like soap-boxing rather than real dialogue. Minor criticisms at best because I'll take those discussions over empty "lookit the pretty special effects!" stuff any day.

Similar to the movie District 9, which is a brilliant movie, but people thought it was too heavy-handed or on-the-nose in its allegory with South African apartheid. It's a fair criticism, but I'll take it over an empty action flick any day.
 
That said, to be fair, some of the those episodes can get a little ham-handed or soap-boxy. For example, one of my favourite episodes is Far Beyond the Stars from DS9, where Sisko imagines he's a pulp writer in the 40s. Great episode, but I thought the actor went a little too overboard in the acting in his speech at the end. Some of the discussions are also a little too on the nose and feel like soap-boxing rather than real dialogue. Minor criticisms at best because I'll take those discussions over empty "lookit the pretty special effects!" stuff any day.

Similar to the movie District 9, which is a brilliant movie, but people thought it was too heavy-handed or on-the-nose in its allegory with South African apartheid. It's a fair criticism, but I'll take it over an empty action flick any day.
Which is kind of funny, since the people saying that hadn't lived through apartheid, or for that matter, had any direct experience dealing with the refugee community. You know the Shantytown they used to represent District 9 was an *actual* Shantytown called Chiawelo, that the refugees had been forcibly relocated from before they were being bulldozed? Yeah, that entire plotline was basically happening while they were filming the movie, just with Africans instead of alien bugs.
 
Which is kind of funny, since the people saying that hadn't lived through apartheid, or for that matter, had any direct experience dealing with the refugee community. You know the Shantytown they used to represent District 9 was an *actual* Shantytown called Chiawelo, that the refugees had been forcibly relocated from before they were being bulldozed? Yeah, that entire plotline was basically happening while they were filming the movie, just with Africans instead of alien bugs.
Holy shit. I had no idea. Was that the film maker's fault or a horrible result of them being there and wanting to film?
 
Which is kind of funny, since the people saying that hadn't lived through apartheid, or for that matter, had any direct experience dealing with the refugee community. You know the Shantytown they used to represent District 9 was an *actual* Shantytown called Chiawelo, that the refugees had been forcibly relocated from before they were being bulldozed? Yeah, that entire plotline was basically happening while they were filming the movie, just with Africans instead of alien bugs.
I haven't seen District 9. But having seen Elysium, I can believe the heavy handed complaints.
 
Holy shit. I had no idea. Was that the film maker's fault or a horrible result of them being there and wanting to film?
Neither, actually. The residents were relocated to a government housing project as part of a plan to, well, not have a crime-riddled Shantytown in the middle of Soweto, Johannesburg. It was more of an instance of "Well, since you've got the Shantytown right here, we might as well film in it." You know the shack with all the butchered animals in it? THEY FOUND IT THAT WAY.
 
Neither, actually. The residents were relocated to a government housing project as part of a plan to, well, not have a crime-riddled Shantytown in the middle of Soweto, Johannesburg. It was more of an instance of "Well, since you've got the Shantytown right here, we might as well film in it." You know the shack with all the butchered animals in it? THEY FOUND IT THAT WAY.
Wow. My appreciation for thst movie just went up. And it was already pretty high. Think I'll watch it tonight.
 
Wow. My appreciation for thst movie just went up. And it was already pretty high. Think I'll watch it tonight.
Also, the movie was banned in Nigeria because of the "Nigerian gangsters", even though Nigerian organized crime is a rampant problem in Africa - they are highly aggressive, expansionist, and have a presence in over 80 countries and have access to nearly 90% of the world's heroin.
 
Also, the movie was banned in Nigeria because of the "Nigerian gangsters", even though Nigerian organized crime is a rampant problem in Africa - they are highly aggressive, expansionist, and have a presence in over 80 countries and have access to nearly 90% of the world's heroin.
But their prince is so kind and generous! He was just emailing me the other day, asking if he could send a large sum of money directly into my back account because he had too much!
 
This damn Ghostbusters movie. I keep fighting myself to give it the benefit of a doubt, and then I'll see another clip on someone's video and just ... what is with this lowbrow Adam Sandler movie crap? Why is there the kind of "well, that was awkward" shit you'll get in a second-rate animated movie?

I'm guessing going back to the video I posted about international market, blah blah, why have witty dialogue when you can just have a fart joke--nothing lost in translation!

You know what? Fuck it. Monster Hunter Generations comes out the same day as this fucking movie, which means I have better things to do with my time, like kill kangaroo chicken dinosaurs and make a pretty dress out of their pelts.
 
I'm not sure if comedy in film is getting worse or if it's just me getting older and more cynical.


No... no...
It's the children that are wrong.
 
I hated that crap even when I was a kid. There was slapstick I found funny, but not body humor junk. We didn't have "awkwarrrrd" non-humor back then, so I don't know how I'd have felt.

There are so many movies that appeal to all ages besides that jaded stage of adolescence; there's no reason for the new Ghostbusters to be appealing solely to the lead paint chewing side of kindergarten. But low-hanging fruit is the aim of the land in this case.
 
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