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Netflix's Daredevil (With Spoilers)

Apr 10, 2015#1

Dave

Okay, I'm on the fifth episode and can I say I'm loving it?

The end of episode four is just holy fucking shit. Fisk finally comes onto the show for read and he's just the biggest badass you can imagine. He fucking brutally kills this Russian guy in the most gruesome way possible.

Apr 10, 2015#2

filmfanatic

Dave said:
Okay, I'm on the fifth episode and can I say I'm loving it?

The end of episode four is just holy fucking shit. Fisk finally comes onto the show for read and he's just the biggest badass you can imagine. He fucking brutally kills this Russian guy in the most gruesome way possible.

Gotta agree. I'm really liking what they've been doing with this show and Vincent D'Onofrio is great as Wilson Fisk. It's an interesting take on Kingpin, as he seems to have this awkwardness and insecurity to how he carries himself, particular when he's with Vanessa...

...Then we get a reminder of his ruthlessness when he smashes Anatoly's head in until there is no more head to smash. I have to admit, I gasped at Marvel going the distance for that moment and embracing just how brutal the world of Daredevil is.

Apr 10, 2015#3

fade

I can't tell you how pleased I am that they acknowledged the existence of superhuman powers in the first episode. The whole "let's pretend like the rest of our shared universe doesn't exist" bit is getting old.

Apr 10, 2015#4

Dave

I'm not sure I like the new Fisk. And it's hard to look at him without thinking of Private Pyle.

Apr 10, 2015#5

fade

Whoa, the kid's reaction to Jack's death. That was a little too good.

Apr 11, 2015#6

CynicismKills

Dave said:
I'm not sure I like the new Fisk. And it's hard to look at him without thinking of Private Pyle.

I finished the show at 4am today. Trust me, this Fisk is fucking fantastic.

In fact, this show is so well-casted, well-shot and well-written that I can't even believe it's in the same universe as something like AoS and the Thor movies.

Apr 12, 2015#7

Dave

Yeah, I just finished it. I am liking this Fisk as well. I really don't think this is an origin story for Daredevil, I think it's also an origin story for the Kingpin. It shows him starting out in business kinda tentative and by the end his doubts and humanity is slowly slipping away until at the very end I don't think there's anything left. I do wish he were more physically powerful than he is in the show. In the comics he's really, really strong - like super strength. But here he's just a man.

But yeah, this series is amazingly good from start to finish. Yes, I think some of the dialogue at times is hokey and cliched, but the characters are 3-D, man. I wish they wouldn't have killed Ulrich off as he's a major player in the comics at times, but I think it moved the story along enough. Great series.

Apr 12, 2015#8

CynicismKills

Dave said:
Yeah, I just finished it. I am liking this Fisk as well. I really don't think this is an origin story for Daredevil, I think it's also an origin story for the Kingpin. It shows him starting out in business kinda tentative and by the end his doubts and humanity is slowly slipping away until at the very end I don't think there's anything left. I do wish he were more physically powerful than he is in the show. In the comics he's really, really strong - like super strength. But here he's just a man.

But yeah, this series is amazingly good from start to finish. Yes, I think some of the dialogue at times is hokey and cliched, but the characters are 3-D, man. I wish they wouldn't have killed Ulrich off as he's a major player in the comics at times, but I think it moved the story along enough. Great series.

He seemed pretty strong to me, that last fight where he's just kinda tossing DD around like a ragdoll. It's no super strength, but he's by no means a normal guy either. I also enjoyed watching not only his fall to darkness, but Vanessa's as well. That look on her face when he tells her "those responsible will suffer" was chilling.

I was surprised to see Urich die, they really did a great job of leading you to think Karen was going to bite it first.

Apr 13, 2015#9

Frank

I wonder if we'll get Kingpin (from what I THINK is from Punisher during Garth Ennis' run) that goes to these kinds of vindictive (ridiculous) extremes.

Also, dat corridor scene in episode 2. Yeee

Old Boy

haw! Also, still madly in love with Rosario Dawson.

Apr 13, 2015#10

Dave

Jesus fucking christ. Yeah I'd say that was evil.

Apr 13, 2015#11

CynicismKills

I have to admit I was a little sad to see Dawson wasn't in the show much after that first arc with the Russians.

I'm really hoping we get another season, there were so many little easter eggs for other villains (the two biggest I noticed were the cards in the roof sniper's bag - possibly Bullseye - and Stilt Man's legs in Potter's shop). On top of that, Kingpin finally falling to evil for real means we could very well see the kind of things Ennis would write him doing.

Apr 13, 2015#12

filmfanatic

CynicismKills said:
I have to admit I was a little sad to see Dawson wasn't in the show much after that first arc with the Russians.

I'm really hoping we get another season, there were so many little easter eggs for other villains (the two biggest I noticed were the cards in the roof sniper's bag - possibly Bullseye - and Stilt Man's legs in Potter's shop). On top of that, Kingpin finally falling to evil for real means we could very well see the kind of things Ennis would write him doing.

I hope we get another season as well. In addition to all of the little easter eggs of other villains, there was the mention of Elektra and there's the presence of the Hand. In fact, the show's creators have even said that they want to do something involving the Punisher in another season of Daredevil.

Apr 13, 2015#13

BananaHands

Buckets, my friends.

I came buckets.

Apr 13, 2015#14

fade

Apr 13, 2015#15

Dave

And he's really hurt going in to that fight.

Apr 13, 2015#16

CynicismKills

filmfanatic said:
I hope we get another season as well. In addition to all of the little easter eggs of other villains, there was the mention of Elektra and there's the presence of the Hand. In fact, the show's creators have even said that they want to do something involving the Punisher in another season of Daredevil.

Yeah, they mention something about Nobu being set up for "what comes next" or thereabouts even though he's very, very dead, and Stick mentions a war here and there which could easily focus on The Hand and the other faction that I can't remember. Beyond that, nearly every major player in Daredevil's continuity, DD included, has belonged to The Hand at some point.

Apr 13, 2015#17

filmfanatic

CynicismKills said:
Yeah, they mention something about Nobu being set up for "what comes next" or thereabouts even though he's very, very dead, and Stick mentions a war here and there which could easily focus on The Hand and the other faction that I can't remember. Beyond that, nearly every major player in Daredevil's continuity, DD included, has belonged to The Hand at some point.

I'd easily guess that we see the Hand gain more of a presence in the next season (if we get one) of Daredevil.

I have to say, though, I wasn't quite expecting to see some elements to set up Iron Fist. The name of that form of heroin, Steel Serpent, is the supervillain name of Iron Fist's primary rival, Davos. Also, considering that Madame Gao could knock Daredevil on his ass with ease and her home is apparently quite farther than China, odds are she probably hails from the mystical city of K'un-Lun.

Apr 13, 2015#18

BananaHands

Dave said:
And he's really hurt going in to that fight.

I absolutely love the fights on this show. The baddies get up and continue to fight instead of just being one-shotted - even to a point where you can see some of the guys just writhing on the floor too exhausted or too afraid to get up after being knocked down again. Matt is constantly getting smacked around and you see him having to lean up against the wall to get some composure before getting back into a fighting stance as someone approaches.

It's going to cheapen when Black Widow or Hawkeye fight hydra soldiers in Avengers 2 and they just knock them down right away.

Apr 13, 2015#19

checkeredhat

Just finished it. Loved it. Loved how real the fights felt. I did feel it was paced a little uneven, but the good things way outweigh that. I don't know much about this side of the marvel universe but from what I've read online, and even in this thread, there were a lot of ties to set up Iron Fist. I was hoping for some kind of end of credits type thing to set up Jessica Jones though. I'm prettypumped for that series just because Kristen Ritter.

On the subject of Rosario Dawson returning for a second season: I suspect we'll see more Night Nurse in the other Netflix series and maybe even in Civil War.

Apr 13, 2015#20

CynicismKills

BananaHands said:
I absolutely love the fights on this show. The baddies get up and continue to fight instead of just being one-shotted - even to a point where you can see some of the guys just writhing on the floor too exhausted or too afraid to get up after being knocked down again. Matt is constantly getting smacked around and you see him having to lean up against the wall to get some composure before getting back into a fighting stance as someone approaches.

It's going to cheapen when Black Widow or Hawkeye fight hydra soldiers in Avengers 2 and they just knock them down right away.

This is a good point. At least SHIELD has the Icers to fall back on when people get shot, but with how absolutely visceral DD is, watching Hydra goons flop around like Power Ranger thugs is going to look silly.

Apr 14, 2015#21

BananaHands

CynicismKills said:
This is a good point. At least SHIELD has the Icers to fall back on when people get shot, but with how absolutely visceral DD is, watching Hydra goons flop around like Power Ranger thugs is going to look silly.

AoS could definitely learn a thing or two from this. The May fights are good, but it would definitely benefit from some raw fights like this when it comes to Ward or something.

Also - apparently Agents of SHIELD is getting a spin-off? Deathlok maybe?

Apr 14, 2015#22

BananaHands

CynicismKills said:
Yeah, they mention something about Nobu being set up for "what comes next" or thereabouts even though he's very, very dead, and Stick mentions a war here and there which could easily focus on The Hand and the other faction that I can't remember. Beyond that, nearly every major player in Daredevil's continuity, DD included, has belonged to The Hand at some point.

I wonder what's going to happen with Leland. Is he dead? Is he going to live in the sewers in fear, eating rats and becoming more like his comic book counterpart? Or is his son Leland Owlsley Jr.?

Apr 14, 2015#23

CynicismKills

BananaHands said:
I wonder what's going to happen with Leland. Is he dead? Is he going to live in the sewers in fear, eating rats and becoming more like his comic book counterpart? Or is his son Leland Owlsley Jr.?

I'm leaning more to his son being The Owl, especially now that there's the revenge on Kingpin angle to fuel his own takeover of Hell's Kitchen.

Apr 14, 2015#24

Dave

Spoilered because it's a comic spoiler:

I had no idea Karen Page went on to become a drug-addicted porn star. Frankly, I'm going to be looking forward to that arc if they do it right. /sexistpig

Apr 14, 2015#25

Adam

Dave said:
Spoilered because it's a comic spoiler:

I had no idea Karen Page went on to become a drug-addicted porn star. Frankly, I'm going to be looking forward to that arc if they do it right. /sexistpig

I think they kinda implied that's where she came from already. Episode 5 I think with her visiting the lawyers office for United?

Apr 14, 2015#26

filmfanatic

Adam said:
I think they kinda implied that's where she came from already. Episode 5 I think with her visiting the lawyers office for United?

When she met with Ben Urich, he did mention that he dug up some info of her past to learn about her. Odds are Karen has had that as her past, and it wouldn't surprise me if it gets dredged back up in another season.

Apr 14, 2015#27

phil

loved it! I think this show did a lot right. I loved in the first two end-of-episode fights where you could really see him getting exhausted by the end of it. The 2nd episode, I felt, really showcased this when he would just lean against the wall as the henchmen came to him. They didn't really do this as much later on when he took some truly brutal beatings that, I'll admit, lasted through several episodes but it was still a full recovery outside of an actual hospital. STILL THOUGH! The fact that he didn't just shrug off every punch that got in was cool.

There were a few decisions by the bad guys that didn't really sit right with me. In the episode where it's him and the russian mob boss in the building with the rookie cop tied up, the bad guy cops come in and kill the rookie. I kinda get it, like it's just another thing they can pin on DD but I feel like it was still unnecessary and the part where the guy radios in that the cop is dead before killing him felt a little too "evil for the sake of evil" to me.

Also I just strait up didn't get James Wesley's last scene where he kidnaps Karen for...reasons instead of just killing her.

I'm excited to see what else they do with this and the other netflix/marvel series.

Apr 14, 2015#28

CynicismKills

phil said:
loved it! I think this show did a lot right. I loved in the first two end-of-episode fights where you could really see him getting exhausted by the end of it. The 2nd episode, I felt, really showcased this when he would just lean against the wall as the henchmen came to him. They didn't really do this as much later on when he took some truly brutal beatings that, I'll admit, lasted through several episodes but it was still a full recovery outside of an actual hospital. STILL THOUGH! The fact that he didn't just shrug off every punch that got in was cool.

There were a few decisions by the bad guys that didn't really sit right with me. In the episode where it's him and the russian mob boss in the building with the rookie cop tied up, the bad guy cops come in and kill the rookie. I kinda get it, like it's just another thing they can pin on DD but I feel like it was still unnecessary and the part where the guy radios in that the cop is dead before killing him felt a little too "evil for the sake of evil" to me.

Also I just strait up didn't get James Wesley's last scene where he kidnaps Karen for...reasons instead of just killing her.

I'm excited to see what else they do with this and the other netflix/marvel series.

I think Wesley was hoping to scare her into working for him and Fisk, not expecting her to have the courage to kill him.

Or, now that I think about it, he says something about not being stupid enough to give her a loaded gun, basically goading her into firing a few into his chest. Maybe he planned to die there, hoping his death would finally set Fisk on the path to beating DD and his people, and in doing so becoming free to mold Hell's Kitchen as he saw fit. He knew after the poisoning incident that Vanessa was capable of being the emotional rock and friend Fisk had, before her, only had in Wesley.

Apr 14, 2015#29

phil

CynicismKills said:
I think Wesley was hoping to scare her into working for him and Fisk, not expecting her to have the courage to kill him.

Or, now that I think about it, he says something about not being stupid enough to give her a loaded gun, basically goading her into firing a few into his chest. Maybe he planned to die there, hoping his death would finally set Fisk on the path to beating DD and his people, and in doing so becoming free to mold Hell's Kitchen as he saw fit. He knew after the poisoning incident that Vanessa was capable of being the emotional rock and friend Fisk had, before her, only had in Wesley.

I'll have to re-watch it but at the time it felt like a bluff gone bad. Oh no I'll have to see this episode or maybe whole series again! woe is meeeeeeeeee

Apr 14, 2015#30

checkeredhat

I think Wesley...

A) needed to find out if she had spoken to anyone about what she learned, same reason Fisk questioned Ulrich before killing him, and
B) didn't want to have to kill her if he could help it. I think he was the less ruthless, less violent foil to Fisk. This also explains why he didn't tell Fisk about it and why he didn't bring along any of the armed men. He believed the situation could be diffused without bloodshed, but was prepared to resort to bloodshed if it came to it. And from a story persepctive, that's why he had to go. Fisk was never going to really be Kingpin as long as his best friend was there to keep him on a (very long) leash.

Apr 14, 2015#31

fade

I am rather hoping they avoid Miller's Karen the way they avoided Miller's Jack.

Apr 15, 2015#32

LittleKagsin

I feel like I have nothing to really add to this thread that hasn't already been mentioned, but chiming in agreement that it's pretty stellar. The fight scenes!! :heart:

I'm only halfway through (just finished episode 7), but I can tell I'm going to be pretty impatient waiting for season 2.

Apr 15, 2015#33

@Li3n

You know, i prefer the cartoon version of Fisk, who was abandoned to the cops by his father because he was too fat to climb up a fire escape... it's pretty fucked up without being so typically gritty.

Apr 15, 2015#34

BananaHands

CynicismKills said:
I'm leaning more to his son being The Owl, especially now that there's the revenge on Kingpin angle to fuel his own takeover of Hell's Kitchen.

Actually I saw somewhere that he mentions his son is named 'Lee'. Leland Owlsley Jr.?

Apr 15, 2015#35

filmfanatic

BananaHands said:
Actually I saw somewhere that he mentions his son is named 'Lee'. Leland Owlsley Jr.?

Entirely possible. That could be a way to get a version of the Owl more like the comics. Maybe he decides the "costumed individual" route is the path of the future, after Daredevil comes in and makes his impact?

Apr 16, 2015#36

Frank

Ok, you know why Daredevil is a good show? Because, for seemingly the first time, Marvel has a GREAT villain. Fisk's scenes are every bit as good to watch as Matt's. Most Marvel films have throw away villains. In fact, all of them with the exception of Loki. That may come from it being a show with a lot of time to set up the Kingpin as a great villain, but then again, what's SHIELD's excuse (This may not be fair, I've only seen half of the first season of Agents of SHIELD, which is still more episodes than Daredevil so far)?

Apr 16, 2015#37

Bubble181

Hey the Penguin's a pretty neat villain, and a lot of people were panning Gotham pretty badly (I enjoy it, though)

Apr 16, 2015#38

Frank

Bubble181 said:
Hey the Penguin's a pretty neat villain, and a lot of people were panning Gotham pretty badly (I enjoy it, though)

He's also not a Marvel character.

Apr 16, 2015#39

Bubble181

a) I don't really pay attention to who belongs to what house
b) I was just pointing out another show with a good villain, which is getting bad reports from people on this board; in the hopes of having a conversation about the differences and possible other reasons that make DD good. Or, you know, you could shut down the conversation with one sentence. That works too.

Apr 16, 2015#40

Necronic

Since no-one else has said it that hallway scene is a pretty great homage to Old Boy.

Apr 16, 2015#41

Frank

In this thread anyway.

Apr 16, 2015#42

BananaHands

filmfanatic said:
Entirely possible. That could be a way to get a version of the Owl more like the comics. Maybe he decides the "costumed individual" route is the path of the future, after Daredevil comes in and makes his impact?

I'd dig it. He'll have half of Kingpin's money and a definite reasons to hate Daredevil and Fisk so that could create everyone's favorite rat-eating gangster.

Apr 16, 2015#43

Bubble181

I can neither confirm nor deny rumors of talks with Marvel at this time. :ninja:

Apr 16, 2015#44

IronBrig4

There was something missing from the series, and I finally put my finger on it. There's no Stan Lee cameo. In the finale, you can see a photo of Stan dressed as a police officer (when the crooked detective turns himself in to Mahoney). But that doesn't really count.

Holy Hannah! O merry masses of Marveldom, why would such a sensational series be missing an astonishing appearance by the king of cameos?

Apr 16, 2015#45

fade

-1 no excelsior.

Apr 16, 2015#46

Dave

Personally, I hate the Stan Lee cameos. Especially the later ones where he has to have lines or a lot of screen time. I think it takes away from the story and is just stroking his ego. And this is from someone who really likes the guy!

Apr 17, 2015#47

Bubble181

Dave said:
Personally, I hate the Stan Lee cameos. Especially the later ones where he has to have lines or a lot of screen time. I think it takes away from the story and is just stroking his ego. And this is from someone who really likes the guy!

I thought it was neat with him appearing as "random guy in the coffee shop in the background", the ones where he's actually a character, not so much.

Apr 17, 2015#48

Bowielee

I allowed myself ONE episode of Daredevil last night as a reward for finishing up my presentation.

I can't wait to see more. Reminder: there is a spoiler thread going, so please don't enter any spoiler territory here.

Apr 17, 2015#49

CynicismKills

Bowielee said:
I allowed myself ONE episode of Daredevil last night as a reward for finishing up my presentation.

I can't wait to see more. Reminder: there is a spoiler thread going, so please don't enter any spoiler territory here.

...this is the spoiler thread.

Apr 17, 2015#50

Bowielee

OH, shit, I clicked the wrong thread. Thank god I only saw from the top of the page

Apr 17, 2015#51

ThatNickGuy

Bowielee said:
OH, shit, I clicked the wrong thread. Thank god I only saw from the top of the page

Spoiler: Matt Murdock is blind.

Apr 17, 2015#52

fade

ThatNickGuy said:
Spoiler: Matt Murdock is blind.

Wow. I did NOT see that one coming.

Apr 17, 2015#53

phil

Well, blind-ish

Apr 18, 2015#54

Gryfter

Holy shit!!!! Just finished the whole season and it was awesome.

Great first season. Really established the core characters and settings. Love that it was as much an origin of Kingpin as it was of Daredevil. Their conflict is core to both characters and seeing it laid out so well means we can start spending time on how crazy the next season could get as their rivalry for Hell's Kitchen gets into full swing.

Love the setups for season 2... Elektra (mentioned in the college flashbacks), Owl (Leland mention his son after all), and the Hand (probably led by Nobu 2.0). Add to all that Fisk being able to really cut loose as soon as he gets out of jail, I hope he puts a bounty on DD as well as then we'll probably get Bullseye too.

I am much more excited for the other Netflix show now. Well done again Marvel!

Apr 18, 2015#55

Ravenpoe

Finished it, can finally look at this thread. HOLY SHIT THAT WAS AWESOME. I thought I was going to hate the Daredevil suit, since I thought the simple black one was pretty cool looking and believable, but in motion it worked so much better than it did in the still images I had seen.

I'm loving their take on Kingpen. He's a soft spoken monster that turns into a raging bull.

Apr 19, 2015#56

@Li3n

So i'm on ep 12 atm, and i just noticed that the symbol they put on the drugs is the Steel Serpent one from Iron Fist... man, Marvel is really getting better and better at this shit...

Apr 19, 2015#57

CynicismKills

@Li3n said:
So i'm on ep 12 atm, and i just noticed that the symbol they put on the drugs is the Steel Serpent one from Iron Fist... man, Marvel is really getting better and better at this shit...

There's a ton of little things sprinkled throughout the series, it's nuts. The Elektra reference (that Greek girl they talk about in college), Bullseye possibly being the sniper at that warehouse (cards in his duffel), Stilt Man's legs in the workshop, Nobu's backers in Japan likely being The Hand (plus Stick's mention of a war), and I know I'm forgetting shit or just plain missed some.

Apr 19, 2015#58

fade

I just finished the episode where Fisk goes public. My first reaction was HOW DOES THIS SHOW KEEP GETTING BETTER EVERY SINGLE EPISODE?[DOUBLEPOST=1429503129,1429502880][/DOUBLEPOST]Also kudos on making Fisk sympathetic. Fuzzy good and evil boundaries always do it for me.

Apr 20, 2015#59

@Li3n

CynicismKills said:
Nobu's backers in Japan likely being The Hand

Have you seen Nobu's outfit... he was 100% Hand...

But i really wasn't expecting an Iron Fist reference... and certainly not such a direct reference to K'un L'un...

Apr 20, 2015#60

PatrThom

IronBrig4 said:
There was something missing from the series, and I finally put my finger on it.

Got it! There's no Bull!
EDIT: Wait, maybe D'Onofrio is gonna play Bull? I'm confused.

--Patrick

Apr 20, 2015#61

Covar

CynicismKills said:
There's a ton of little things sprinkled throughout the series, it's nuts. The Elektra reference (that Greek girl they talk about in college), Bullseye possibly being the sniper at that warehouse (cards in his duffel), Stilt Man's legs in the workshop, Nobu's backers in Japan likely being The Hand (plus Stick's mention of a war), and I know I'm forgetting shit or just plain missed some.

Don't forget the Mike Murdock cameo.

Apr 21, 2015#62

Chad Sexington

I have unlimited praise for D'Onofrio's delivery of the Good Samaritan speech in the last episode. Damn.

Apr 21, 2015#63

IronBrig4

When is the Mike Murdock cameo?

Also, there's that dinner date with Fisk and Vanessa. She's talking about going out with Prince, and Fisk perks up when Vanessa mentions how Prince dressed in a white suit and an ascot. That's what Kingpin wears in the comics.

Apr 21, 2015#64

fade

Yeah I caught that one, but it was done in X-Men already.

Apr 21, 2015#65

filmfanatic

IronBrig4 said:
When is the Mike Murdock cameo?

Also, there's that dinner date with Fisk and Vanessa. She's talking about going out with Prince, and Fisk perks up when Vanessa mentions how Prince dressed in a white suit and an ascot. That's what Kingpin wears in the comics.

In the second episode, when Claire Temple refers to Matt Murdock as Mike because he hasn't revealed his name to her yet.

Apr 21, 2015#66

ThatNickGuy

http://marvel.com/news/tv/24478/netflix_orders_a_second_season_of_marvels_daredevil

Awwwwww yeah. SECOND SEASON, BABY.

Apr 21, 2015#67

Dave

It would have been almost criminally stupid of them to pull it after the reception the first season got.

Apr 21, 2015#68

ThatNickGuy

A friend of mine on Facebook thinks they should've got to and finished The Defenders crossover first, before going on to second seasons of any of the series. I think there's still plenty of time to get to AKA Jessica Jones (in production now) and Power Man/Iron Fist, AND Defenders before getting on to more Daredevil. Guess we'll have to see.

Apr 22, 2015#69

fade

Dave said:
It would have been almost criminally stupid of them to pull it after the reception the first season got.

Apr 22, 2015#70

Dave

Netflix >> Fox

Apr 29, 2015#71

drawn_inward

I just finished the series last night. It was so great! I liked that it was a complete story. I have been saying that for years that t.v. needs beginning and ends, not rambling multi-season drudgery.

I liked this season so much that a part of me wants them to just stop it here. It was so good that I don't think they can top it. BUT, I am super eager for more. I want them to show what Fisk was up to from when he was a kid until he makes his appearance in season one. I want to see DD become even more of a badass. I even want to see Nelson and Murdock "John Grisham" their way around a courtroom. (John Grisham is a verb)

I know we're Batmaned to death, but a none-origin batman show where he is a lot more detective bats done in this DD format would be so groovy.

Apr 29, 2015#72

fade

It's true. We never really see Batman in detective mode on screen. Except in TAS.

Apr 29, 2015#73

IronBrig4

Agreed. I much prefer Batman as the world's greatest detective. Not brooding in his mansion.

Apr 29, 2015#74

Ravenpoe

IronBrig4 said:
Agreed. I much prefer Batman as the world's greatest detective. Not brooding in his mansion.

"Why did you kidnap me, dress me like Sherlock Holmes, and then force me to look at your comic book collection?"

Because MY PARENTS ARE DEEEAD!

Apr 29, 2015#75

Necronic

Oh wow I never knew they were making a Jessica Jones show. This darned well better be the Alias, alcoholic, misanthropic, bad girlfriend material Jessica, not the "oh I have a baby and I'm a mommy now" Jessica[DOUBLEPOST=1430338730,1430338494][/DOUBLEPOST]Also holy cow the Owlsley thing. From the wiki page for The Owl

Leland Owlsley was once a successful financier and financial investor, nicknamed "The Owl of Wall Street" for his financial wisdom, until evidence of his tax evasion and crooked business deals were exposed by the IRS.

So yeah, that was the Owl. I guess.

Apr 29, 2015#76

filmfanatic

Necronic said:
Oh wow I never knew they were making a Jessica Jones show. This darned well better be the Alias, alcoholic, misanthropic, bad girlfriend material Jessica, not the "oh I have a baby and I'm a mommy now" Jessica.

From what I've been hearing, it sounds like a.k.a. Jessica Jones will be firmly based on the Alias series. In fact, David Tennant will be on the show as the Purple Man.

Apr 29, 2015#77

Necronic

Hmm, I hope they don't start out with the Purple Man stuff, that came out way later in the Alias story line iirc, I really liked the way they opened it with the reader not really knowing anything about her. I also really hope its not just about her being a hero, because that was absolutely NOT what her series was about.

I'll be curious how well it works on screen though. One of the big draws of it was that it was a "behind the curtain" view of the minutia of the day to day lives of lots of the other heroes, like Danvers or Captain America. It humanized them in a way you've never really seen in comics. But the way they write the shows or movies these days they already do that, you just can't write a blockbuster with characters as paper thin as you found in comics, so a lot of the draw of Alias has already been handled. I mean if it was like a Marvel meets Bored to Death, that could be great. They'll have to be careful.

Apr 29, 2015#78

filmfanatic

Necronic said:
Hmm, I hope they don't start out with the Purple Man stuff, that came out way later in the Alias story line iirc, I really liked the way they opened it with the reader not really knowing anything about her. I also really hope its not just about her being a hero, because that was absolutely NOT what her series was about.

I'll be curious how well it works on screen though. One of the big draws of it was that it was a "behind the curtain" view of the minutia of the day to day lives of lots of the other heroes, like Danvers or Captain America. It humanized them in a way you've never really seen in comics. But the way they write the shows or movies these days they already do that, you just can't write a blockbuster with characters as paper thin as you found in comics, so a lot of the draw of Alias has already been handled. I mean if it was like a Marvel meets Bored to Death, that could be great. They'll have to be careful.

From what I've read and seen from on-set pics, it will be about Jessica Jones working as a detective. As for the Purple Man, I can understand featuring him in the first season. He is a big part of her backstory from what is revealed, and I figure that they would want to cover that before we get to the Defenders mini-series.

Apr 29, 2015#79

SpecialKO

As long as the show doesn't open with Purple Man, I think it works with him in the first season.

Apr 30, 2015#80

drawn_inward

I never heard of Jessica Jones. I don't know how I missed it in all the years of collecting comics. I must have thought it was a "girly" comic and moved on. So, I am not quite so jazzed for it. I am looking forward to David Tennant though; he's always great.

Apr 30, 2015#81

CynicismKills

I didn't know much of her till she was made into a more important character in the 2000's. I had no idea Alias was about her, either.

Personally, I'm waiting for Iron Fist. I hope they line up a great martial-art movie director and fight choreographer, because that one's got a shot at being the best action show on Netflix.

Apr 30, 2015#82

SpecialKO

Alias is really all-around great, if you think you might be at all into a mildly noir deconstruction of super-hero life in NYC. It gave a really fascinating perspective into what it is like to be on the fringe of the super-power set in the Marvel universe without being a superhero/villain.

As a bonus, it is also one of the comics responsible for beginning the re-vitalization of Luke Cage into a "main" Marvel character. He doesn't get a lot of page time in Alias, but he's a large emotional presence.

Apr 30, 2015#83

PatrThom

CynicismKills said:
I'm waiting for Iron Fist. I hope they line up a great martial-art movie director and fight choreographer, because that one's got a shot at being the best action show on Netflix.

The franchise has such potential, even for television.

--Patrick

Apr 30, 2015#84

IronBrig4

And when Luke Cage and Jessica Jones have a kid, they hire Squirrel Girl as the nanny.
I'm eagerly awaiting Iron Fist because I want to see how Marvel portrays him. In the comics he's a wealthy heir to the Rand family business, his parents are killed in front of him, and he spends the next decade or so training his mind and body so that he can conquer his fear, avenge his parents, and fight crime. He's like Batman without a stick up his butt.

Apr 30, 2015#85

Covar

drawn_inward said:
I never heard of Jessica Jones. I don't know how I missed it in all the years of collecting comics. I must have thought it was a "girly" comic and moved on. So, I am not quite so jazzed for it. I am looking forward to David Tennant though; he's always great.

No real surprise. She's one of Bendis's pet characters. Historically Purple Man was a bigger character in the Marvel Universe.

Apr 30, 2015#86

PatrThom

IronBrig4 said:
And when Luke Cage and Jessica Jones have a kid, they hire Squirrel Girl as the nanny.

One of the best things about a Cage/Rand television show is the possibility for a Knight/Wing spin-off.

--Patrick

May 3, 2015#87

fade

Episode 9 was awesome.

May 8, 2015#88

fade

Holy poop I did not see Wesley's death coming.

May 12, 2015#89

evilmike

May 16, 2015#90

Celt Z

I just finished episode 3, and I don't want to spoil myself so I haven't read the previous posts, but I wanted to pop in to say...

AUUGGGGHHHHHH! on some of the fight/kill scenes in this. :Leyla:

Wait, one tiny question: the reconstruction they're doing on the West Side, is that because of the events in Avengers? It sounded like that, but then again, Mr. Z was yammering away on Destiny next to me, so I didn't get to hear everything in the pilot.

May 16, 2015#91

ThatNickGuy

Celt Z said:
Wait, one tiny question: the reconstruction they're doing on the West Side, is that because of the events in Avengers?

Yup!

May 25, 2015#92

Celt Z

....okay, NOW I've finished the series, and can catch up with this thread.

Woo! Loved that! This was such a great series, I don't even know where to start. It took me a couple of episodes in to realize Matt was familiar to me because he was Tristan in Stardust. I think he makes an amazing Murdock, though I'm going to miss him wearing the black costume because ~~dat ass~~ it fits his character well. I'm not sure I love the red suit yet, but it's inevitable. Over-all, I think the casting is great, and D'onofrio's Fisk has blown me away. I'm a little sad we lost Wesley and Ben in order to raise the stakes. Their actors were perfect. (Leland...eh. Does this guy ever play a character that isn't annoying as hell?)

I love how so much of it was shot on location (though not always in Hell's Kitchen), but the free running/rooftop chase in Ep. 11 was a little distracting, because if those were the spots I think they were, he was running in circles for a bit. (The same way the opening of Clerks II drives me crazy because there's no way you can hit those buildings in that order!...but I digress.) Part of me would like to see Elektra next season, and part of me wants them to stay as far away from the mess that was the movies as possible. Also, as little of Frank Miller's run as possible, although as it was mentioned earlier in the thread, they may have already used some with Karen. (Thanks, Frank Miller. No woman goes un-whored, do they? :mad:

)

Mar 18, 2016#93

IronBrig4

So, who's watching? I'm in the middle of the first episode now and it's great. Goodbyyyyyeeee weekend productivity!

Mar 18, 2016#94

@Li3n

Well, i am now... 10x for the head-up. And the now white night, if this is as good as s1.

Mar 18, 2016#95

Shakey

Fight scene at the end of the first episode? DD still does them better than anyone else.

Mar 19, 2016#96

Shakey

Episode 3...

Mar 19, 2016#97

Frank

Shakey said:
Episode 3...

Was some INTENSE brutal shit. I was not expecting that.

7 episodes in thanks to being mostly immobile for the coming 2 months.

Loving it so far. Electra is wonderful. I hope she gets a better costume.

Also, I think I liked his mask better mostly black than the new mostly red one.

Mar 19, 2016#98

Celt Z

I'm 6 episodes in, but I still stand by my opinion that Jon Bernthal would have been a perfect Jesse Custer.

Mar 19, 2016#99

Dei

I keep asking where Rick is. :x

Also I'm on episode 7, but trapped in the political process until tonight so can't get farther.

Mar 19, 2016#100

GasBandit

Ungh, the cinematography on that stairwell fight. *lip bite*

Mar 19, 2016#101

CynicismKills

Fuck, I think I cleared like 9 episodes before I forced myself to go to bed. I wanted to make the show last the weekend, at least, but so much for that.

Mar 19, 2016#102

Frank

I'm in love with Elektra.

Mar 19, 2016#103

Dave

Frank said:
I'm in love with Elektra.

Seriously? She's a freak.

Mar 19, 2016#104

Celt Z

Episode 8: :eek:

Mar 19, 2016#105

GasBandit

I love how in so many episodes there's a guy who's all freaking out "I gotta get outta Hell's Kitchen!" Uhhh, walk ten minutes in any direction, dude? Or better yet, just get on the subway instead of STEALING A CAR?!

Mar 19, 2016#106

Dei

Clearly Hell's Kitchen means the entire city. Duh.

Mar 19, 2016#107

Frank

Dave said:
Seriously? She's a freak.

Yes.

To both.

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Mar 19, 2016#108

Celt Z

The Port Authority (bus terminal) and a major subway hub* are in Hell's Kitchen. If you need to steal a car, you're clearly an idiot.

But Hell's Kitchen is,a matter of blocks. You could hobble one end to the other. Sometimes I wish the writers would remember that. It's not Gotham City, for crying out loud.

*okay, on the edge of it. We're talking 1/2 block.

Mar 19, 2016#109

IronBrig4

Dave said:
Seriously? She's a freak.

For some reason I think sleeping with her would be a painful experience.

Mar 19, 2016#110

Dave

NOOOOO! It can't end like that! There needs to be at least one more episode!

Mar 19, 2016#111

Celt Z

Okay, just finished Season 2! And spoilers, spoilers, spoilers!

I still think The Punisher is one of Marvel's lamest creations, but the writers made him tolerable. I feel like hie story line was a little weaker than Elektra's, but it gave Karen something to do. I'm glad Elektra's story line was a big part of Season 2 because it brings Daredevil a little more into the Marvel universe. Season 1, while fantastic, stuck to a very down-to-earth plot, for a story about a vigilante with super abilities. The inclusion of the fantastical (The Hand, Black Sky), takes us a little more towards the established universe of aliens, Inhumans and the unexplainable. Now that he's going to be running around ~~Manhattan~~ Hell's Kitchen with Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, et al, he needed a taste of more extraordinary.

Speaking of which, I wasn't paying too close attention to casting outside of The Punisher and Elektra, so I was pleasantly surprised to see Kingpin/Fisk, Madame Gao and Hogarth all make appearances! And while it's always good to see Claire Temple, a part of me was frustrated when she saw that Matt was in over his head, she didn't suggest calling for back-up. Maybe she didn't want to out J.J. or Luke, or just didn't feel like she knew them well enough to suggest it, but it's times like this manner aren't as important as saving lives.

Meanwhile, I was wondering if they were going to give Elektra her classic "death" (hello, Chekhov's sais!) since there was no Bullseye, but there it was! Not that she ever stays dead, but we'll see how this plays out on screen.

Now, bring on Luke Cage!

Mar 19, 2016#112

Dei

I thought it ended perfectly.

Also @Celt Z

We already established that fictional Hell's Kitchen is gigantic, and Luke Cage is in Harlem, which is probably halfway across the state by Marvel proportions.

Mar 19, 2016#113

Dave

This is a spoiler thread, by the way. You don't have to hide anything behind tags.

Mar 20, 2016#114

CynicismKills

I knew they wouldn't tie it all up in a neat little package, but come on man don't leave me hanging like that. I wonder if we're getting a s3 or if this will tie-in to Defenders?

Mar 20, 2016#115

Celt Z

Dave said:
This is a spoiler thread, by the way. You don't have to hide anything behind tags.

True, but it did just release. I figure give people at least a week to catch up.

Mar 20, 2016#116

Bubble181

Dave said:
This is a spoiler thread, by the way. You don't have to hide anything behind tags.

Celt Z said:
True, but it did just release. I figure give people at least a week to catch up.

I was going to say the same thing. Not everyone can binge at the same speed, posting post-season thoughts and cliffhanger spoilers after a few days would mean someone watching one episode a day couldn't join this thread safely. Clearly marking a spoiler with the episode or general part of the season makes sense, at least for a short while. I'm not watching (not available here yet), but still. S1 spoilers are probably ok now, s2 final I'd give at least a week or so more.

Mar 20, 2016#117

Celt Z

Minor quibble, sort-of spoilery

I was really disappointed Elektra didn't don her red bandana at some point. Not because it's a great fashion statement, but every fight scene, her long bangs would keep getting in her eyes. "Let's go to the roof where there's lots of wind!" How are you supposed to focus? Or maybe it's just me, because I usually tie or pin mine back for sports or the gym because I hate them getting into my field of vision. Maybe they were too worried she was going to look like her G.I. Joe: Retaliation character?

"Look at me, I'm Matt Murdock!...oh wait, you can't, Matt. Ha ha!"

At least they gave her a pony tail. Better than that scene in Elektra when all of her hair is blowing in front of her face.

Mar 20, 2016#118

Dei

Also the end:

My husband was all, "Elektra can't die! Doesn't she have her own series coming?"

I just turned to look at him, blinked, and said, "Bitch please, as if she's going to stay dead."

And of course, not long after..

Mar 21, 2016#119

evilmike

In case anyone missed the Luke Cage teaser which plays after Daredevil season 2:

Mar 21, 2016#120

IronBrig4

I'm not sure how I feel about the rap music in the background. I always thought music like the theme from Shaft was more appropriate for that character. Can you dig it?

Mar 21, 2016#121

CynicismKills

I mean, if they were going with 70's bell-bottomed and afro'd Cage, maybe, but he hasn't been a stereotype in a long time.

Mar 21, 2016#122

evilmike

IronBrig4 said:
I'm not sure how I feel about the rap music in the background. I always thought music like the theme from Shaft was more appropriate for that character. Can you dig it?

I can dig it.

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=2IP2U9X5U8w&video_start=0&audio=nFvRvSxsW-I&audio_start=0

or

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=2IP2U9X5U8w&video_start=0&audio=-cmo6MRYf5g&audio_start=3

Mar 22, 2016#123

IronBrig4

I just finished the final episode. Hopefully Luke Cage and the next season of Jessica Jones will keep me going while I wait another year for season 3.

Mar 22, 2016#124

Celt Z

Speaking of Luke Cage, what are the odds we'll get to see this?

I know, none, because they're from Deadpool. But a girl can dream, can't she?

Mar 22, 2016#125

CynicismKills

Well, they did sneak in a "Sweet Christmas," so who knows?

I know we won't see his and JJ's kid, but I wonder who has the rights to Squirrel Girl. She was their babysitter for awhile and would be a funny character to have show up once or twice.

Mar 22, 2016#126

filmfanatic

CynicismKills said:
Well, they did sneak in a "Sweet Christmas," so who knows?

I know we won't see his and JJ's kid, but I wonder who has the rights to Squirrel Girl. She was their babysitter for awhile and would be a funny character to have show up once or twice.

Marvel might have the film and television rights. Besides which, in the comics they've softly retconned Squirrel Girl from being a mutant to having "partially squirrel blood". That feels like something that may have been done as a way to feature her without having her be a mutant.

Mar 27, 2016#127

Gryfter

Just finished season 2 and as a long time Daredevil fan I am very happy.

Mar 28, 2016#128

GasBandit

Mar 30, 2016#129

Hailey Knight

Just finished season 2 tonight.

I feel like season 1 was stronger, largely because it focused on one plotline whereas season 2 was juggling two, and sometimes it felt like three.

Really liked all the Punisher stuff. I can't see him carrying his own series, that would get tiresome, but I wouldn't mind him showing up now and then. Elektra was great. Daaaamn that stairwell fight. That was up there with season 1's hallway fight among best fights I've seen, movie or TV. I love the brawls more than the ninja stuff, because the ninja stuff feels more like what you usually see in fights, but the brawls feel so grounded and rough.

I had no idea Wilson Fisk was going to show up this season, so that was really the biggest moment of season 2 for me.

Kind of a let-down that the big mystery urn was just something we already knew about. I'm curious where the Hand got these mystery organisms that incubate in people's bloodstreams.

I'm hoping we do get a season 3 and that Daredevil and the others won't just be stuck in The Defenders. It's cool to have mash-up stuff, but I like them having their own stories and season arcs as well. Marvel is really knocking it out of the park with these shows. It's hard to watch something like Young Justice right after this; it just doesn't compare.

Loved the Luke Cage preview, all 22 seconds of it.

Apr 1, 2016#130

Charlie Don't Surf

this show made ninjas boring. Nobu sucked in season 2. I am not watching any more "the hand" magic ressurrection crap. I'm gonna fast forward through any plotlines that don't have Kingpin and/or Punisher from now on. Even the fight sequences got repetitive and boring. Ugh. If Bulls Eye kills Elektra in season 3 episode 1 and shoots her body into space, I'll be back on board 110% with this show.

Also, this show does investigative journalism and courtroom plot lines/scenes EXTREMELY poorly. I know it's not gonna be The Wire or Spotlight since the show's mainly about Daredevil beating people to permanent paralysis (but never death! sidebar, i'd rather get shot in the torso than all the permanent brain damage daredevil inflicts on everyone he touches ((BUT DOESN'T KIIIIIIIIIIILLLL)) ), BUT they could at least have them take up less time

Apr 1, 2016#131

IronBrig4

Zero Esc said:
I'm curious where the Hand got these mystery organisms that incubate in people's bloodstreams.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's Kree or Shi'ar technology. They already did that to explain why Coulson's still alive.

Apr 1, 2016#132

Dave

Charlie Don't Surf said:
this show made ninjas boring. Nobu sucked in season 2. I am not watching any more "the hand" magic ressurrection crap. I'm gonna fast forward through any plotlines that don't have Kingpin and/or Punisher from now on. Even the fight sequences got repetitive and boring. Ugh. If Bulls Eye kills Elektra in season 3 episode 1 and shoots her body into space, I'll be back on board 110% with this show.

Also, this show does investigative journalism and courtroom plot lines/scenes EXTREMELY poorly. I know it's not gonna be The Wire or Spotlight since the show's mainly about Daredevil beating people to permanent paralysis (but never death! sidebar, i'd rather get shot in the torso than all the permanent brain damage daredevil inflicts on everyone he touches ((BUT DOESN'T KIIIIIIIIIIILLLL)) ), BUT they could at least have them take up less time

I actually agree with your point about ninjas. I didn't fast forward through them, but even though they are canon they felt shoehorned in.

Apr 1, 2016#133

Charlie Don't Surf

I didn't fast forward, I just heavily want to next time/season. But I probably won't

Apr 1, 2016#134

Dave

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I didn't fast forward, I just heavily want to next time/season. But I probably won't

I think it's actually worse if you binge-watched it. Taken in individual episodes, I think it's fine. Each episode has its action moments, etc. But when binge-watched they kind of meld together.

Apr 3, 2016#135

PatrThom

Dave said:
I think it's actually worse if you binge-watched it. Taken in individual episodes, I think it's fine. Each episode has its action moments, etc. But when binge-watched they kind of meld together.

We recently binge-watched Voyager (because the father-in-law wanted to watch them all) and I kinda agree. When it's a weekly show, it's one thing. But when you're watching 3-4 episodes/day, you're like, "How does one starship get into so much trouble???"

--Patrick

Apr 3, 2016#136

Chad Sexington

PatrThom said:
We recently binge-watched Voyager (because the father-in-law wanted to watch them all) and I kinda agree. When it's a weekly show, it's one thing. But when you're watching 3-4 episodes/day, you're like, "How does one starship get into so much trouble???"

--Patrick

Crime shows are particularly amazing for this. Oxford's murder rate must be comically high. And forget about visiting Cabot Cove.

Apr 11, 2016#137

CynicismKills

Netflix had a thing in Paris with folks working on their more popular Originals talking about upcoming plans.

Of note, Charlie Cox said Defenders will start filming later this year, and as of now there's no word on DD s3.

Apr 12, 2016#138

Bubble181

Chad Sexington said:
Crime shows are particularly amazing for this. Oxford's murder rate must be comically high. And forget about visiting Cabot Cove.

As you may guess, Belgium has its fair share of our own cop shows and local police drama. Most are set in one of our two or three big cities, and tend to not include murder all the time (missing people, burglaries, whatever). However, we famously had one show following a police inspector in Halle, a small city outside of Brussels, who exclusively did murder cases. Over the course of the show, he solved about 150 murders...with an average of about 250 murders per year in all of Belgium, that makes his town by far the unsafest place in Belgium.

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