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THE POLICE ARE KEEPING US SAFER
THE POLICE ARE KEEPING US SAFER
[News] NYPD run down a petty thief with their car, charge grieving mother for the dent
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You know, I'm not defending the actions in that article, but I hope you one day get your dream of a world without police.
Note: I have never said nor thought that having no police is better in any way whatsoever
But they know how to get dirty.
I want a better police force that makes the country a safer place instead of one that just makes the prison industry rich.
Totally right, that's generally the police's fault and not the lawmakers your (and my) country vote into power.
"The Police" means the whole institution, not every individual police officer. The toxic culture in law enforcement isn't made by the people on the ground.
That being said, back on topic, the guy that ran over that young man is probably a shitty person.
That being said, back on topic, the guy that ran over that young man is probably a shitty person.
Yes, and the fact that he was wearing a badge and a uniform and was driving a police car at the time doesn't change the fact that he's a shitty person, and that his shittiness does not reflect upon the rest of the police force or the other police officers. No more than an accountant who goes crazy and shoots up his workplace should reflect poorly upon other accountants, or a guy who wears a baseball cap while downloading child porn should reflect poorly upon other people who wear baseball caps. Sometimes you get bad people, in all walks of life.
Charging the mom for the repairs though, that's pretty shitty too.
or just because one Asian guy in a pool wears swimming goggles doesn't mean all Asians in pools wear swimming goggles.
Exactly!
Of course, all Asians in swimming pools do indeed wear goggles, but the fact remains that the logical leap from "one guy wearing goggles" to "all wear goggles" is invalid.
And yes, this means if you see a goggle-less Asian guy in a swimming pool, it's clearly a spy in a (poor) disguise, and you should call the appropriate authorities immediately.
come on baby, if you keep trolling me like this, I might just have to stalk you on facebook.[DOUBLEPOST=1349677210][/DOUBLEPOST]
God when swimming pools look the way they do in China you better be wearing goggles. You might not want to go into the pool even. When in 8 hours a 3km stretch of beach can have 50 tonnes of garbage dropped on it, maybe stay away from the beach as well.
Zappit
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Isn't that Somalia?
Dave
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There is just way too much information that is missing from this article. Under what circumstances was the guy hit? Did he run out in front of the car? Was the hitting deliberate or was it just dark and the guy was hard to see? Without this information, a "fuck the police" attitude is just as ludicrous as a "he was a stupid criminal and got what he deserved" type that we see in the comments. Witnesses say he was run down on purpose but the same article says, "At the time of his death, Robinson worked at a Connecticut muffin shop in Fort Greene, but also tried to make extra money hawking items, including the paving stones, to scrap dealers, his mother said." So I would say the article is biased towards the victim and not exactly a viable source. Hell, even the headline is yellow journalism and inflammatory.
So I'm withholding judgement on the whole thing.
So I'm withholding judgement on the whole thing.
Or you know, DON'T BREAK THE FREAKING LAW!
lmao, yes someone stealing paving stones from a rich dude's lawn deserves to get murdered with a motor vehicle
I don't carry the same anti-police feelings that Charlie does, but I find this to be a very dangerous, dismissive attitude.
Dave
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My point - you are both right. He shouldn't have been stealing, but that's not a death sentence.
I bet he was alive when he was asked to surrender.
you do realize it's insanely illegal for the police to shoot someone in the back that is fleeing right?
I mean they'll never get convicted since it's an accident and everyone running from the police that gets shot reaches into their pocket for a gun (that they never have) AND they'd never get convicted because of the BLUE WALL CODE OF SILENCE SUPPORT OUR BOYS
Ain't that a great system?
This is something you'll never understand.
because I'm not in the trenches?
My father was a police officer, and I know FOR A FACT that if a suspect reaches into their pocket, you are trained to assume it is to reach for a weapon. That's basic safety.
I find your readiness to automatically assume that the police are always at fault without any supporting evidence to be extremely tedious.
Dave
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Basically, yes. And I'm not trying to devalue your opinions, but you are coming from a very biased viewpoint diametrically opposed to a few of the people here. Your always assuming to police are in the wrong is just as wrong as those who say the police are always right. What you fail to understand is that there are a lot of bad people out there who are able to lie straight to your face while saying they didn't hit that person or steal that item. And when it comes down to a split-second decision that could be the difference between your wife getting a call in the night or being able to go home to her yourself, well...each situation is different.
The blue wall exists because of group dynamics and a shared understanding that any action is scrutinized intensely by those who want nothing more than to find fault with what you did. Lawyers salivate at being able to sue a municipality. News crews love the story a bad situation brings. Those with agendas against the police or military take these individual instances and blow them out of proportion. Thousands of clean arrests/tickets? Doesn't matter, look at this one that went terribly wrong!!
So what happens? Circle the wagons, throw up the blue wall. Protect those with whom you share a common bond.
Is the blue wall a bad thing? It sure can be. But let's be clear on this - WE are just as responsible for it as those who use it to shield themselves from scrutiny.
My sarcastic tone and run on sentence kind of obscured what I meant above, and I'm sorry.
If someone running from the cops reaches into their pocket - the police should shoot them, and that is 100% justified and I will never attack a police officer if this happened.
If someone running from the cops reaches into their pocket - the police should shoot them, and that is 100% justified and I will never attack a police officer if this happened.
Fun fact of the day.
Innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt applies as much to police officers as it does to regular citizens.
For someone who rails against racial, sexual, and religious profiling, your willingness to assume the worst of anyone of a certain group of people is ironic on a scale that baffles me.
Innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt applies as much to police officers as it does to regular citizens.
For someone who rails against racial, sexual, and religious profiling, your willingness to assume the worst of anyone of a certain group of people is ironic on a scale that baffles me.
I would fucking love for police officers to go to a criminal trial more often and have them get proven innocent!
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