One time 20+ years ago I heavily hinted that I would kick these two African Americans' Asses if they did not leave the premises. I did not really hear what they said back above the noise of the two women yelling for them to get out of their car.
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All people are of African Origin.
Well then call yourself white african american and them black african americans.
Well, yes and no. Many people use "African-American" to refer to black Americans of African origin. It's just that people are finally starting to acknowledge that there are millions of black Americans whose families are not of African origin.
Which is why it's not cool today to use "African American" as the catch-all for "black people". I bet all my stocks in the stock trader and my Halbucks that sixpackshaker did not know the dudes' ethnic background.
Since the one that spoke had a Texas accent, I bet I could figure it out.
Right, cause in 300 years his ancestors couldn't have moved around at all. If he has a Texan accent obviously his family has been there since they were slaves, 100% certain.
When I was your age it was rude as fuck to call somebody black, because they are not actually black.
If we could get people to speak correctly/clearly, the term should go back to Negro. Because that is what the Spanish called the Taureg when they first came into contact, because the Taureg wore black clothing/robes.
Umm.. why is that more "correct"? Negro is literally Spanish for black. As in, literally. I have a playera negra on right now.
And precisely because of the historical context with "negro", you'd get a fist to the face for calling someone that. Language changes. I don't understand why you refuse to look at the date when it comes to this, I assure you there are a lot of things that people were ok with saying when you were young that would be taboo today. The BLACK Power Movement is 50 years old. Using “black” also allows people to distinguish between Americans with slave ancestors, who may not have a close connection with Africa, and recent immigrants from Africa. This term also includes Americans of slave ancestry who immigrated from the Caribbean, as these individuals may feel more closely connected to places like Haiti or Jamaica than Africa.
What if someone from SPAIN who has moor ancestry moved to the states and had a son. Would you call him "african american" too? WHY!?
And precisely because of the historical context with "negro", you'd get a fist to the face for calling someone that. Language changes. I don't understand why you refuse to look at the date when it comes to this, I assure you there are a lot of things that people were ok with saying when you were young that would be taboo today. The BLACK Power Movement is 50 years old. Using “black” also allows people to distinguish between Americans with slave ancestors, who may not have a close connection with Africa, and recent immigrants from Africa. This term also includes Americans of slave ancestry who immigrated from the Caribbean, as these individuals may feel more closely connected to places like Haiti or Jamaica than Africa.
What if someone from SPAIN who has moor ancestry moved to the states and had a son. Would you call him "african american" too? WHY!?
Both words pretty much have the same meaning and connotations, but you are bouncing off the roof because of it.
Wow. You sure are deluded if you think that "negro" and "black" have the same connotation when referring to people in 2013. If I'm "bouncing off the roof" it's because of your completely illogical defense of an outdated and offensive to many term. Your defense is literally "that's what I grew up with". And, by the way, unless you're in your 70's I really doubt "black" was offensive when you were my age.
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And yes, black people who speak spanish call themselves "negros", but that's obviously different. Spanish speaking countries don't have the same history with slavery, the Spanish used the natives, they didn't need to import any.
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And yes, black people who speak spanish call themselves "negros", but that's obviously different. Spanish speaking countries don't have the same history with slavery, the Spanish used the natives, they didn't need to import any.
One younger cousin of mine took up 'gangsta' speech and said nigga' (in Spain, speaking in Spanish). He once told me how he had actually used it to talk to back people he met (once), and I was like, no dude you don't use that word! It's really really bad! And his (sincere) response was 'Oh, you're right, the right way to say it is African-American*, right?'
*Afroamericano, in Spanish.
*Afroamericano, in Spanish.
Don't delude yourself about the slavery issue and Spain. Cuba, Dominican Republic, and on around the rest of the little sea, and into South America - but not as common there. Basically Mexico did not import the slaves as often as the other Spanish colonies.
But there is no real preference between Black and African American. The term African American gained prominence out of the Black Communities to give themselves the group identifier.
But there is no real preference between Black and African American. The term African American gained prominence out of the Black Communities to give themselves the group identifier.
Read up on it, and don't take anecdotal evidence for what Millions of People think and feel.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20100906...up.com/poll/28816/Black-African-American.aspx
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http://web.archive.org/web/20100906...up.com/poll/28816/Black-African-American.aspx
I just want to point out that in NYC, "African-American" is a pretty commonly accepted blanket-term applied by many of people of different racial backgrounds, including African-Americans, to the black American community.
Less anecdotally, black Americans in recent years don't have a particular preference between "black" and "African-American" beyond a preference for the latter in formal situations.
Is that fair to black Caribbean-Americans (to say nothing of other Caribbean-Americans), who have a much different collection of racial backgrounds commingling? No, definitely not, and that's why there is a growing movement here towards promoting that term as a popular identifier for people with that background, but that doesn't make "African-American" offensive here.
That said, odds are very strong that sixpackshaker was right in his guess, as Caribbean-American communities tend to concentrate on the East Coast, particularly New York, not Texas.
Less anecdotally, black Americans in recent years don't have a particular preference between "black" and "African-American" beyond a preference for the latter in formal situations.
Is that fair to black Caribbean-Americans (to say nothing of other Caribbean-Americans), who have a much different collection of racial backgrounds commingling? No, definitely not, and that's why there is a growing movement here towards promoting that term as a popular identifier for people with that background, but that doesn't make "African-American" offensive here.
That said, odds are very strong that sixpackshaker was right in his guess, as Caribbean-American communities tend to concentrate on the East Coast, particularly New York, not Texas.
I don't think they were done by the same pollsters, just that they polled using similar questions. Also the early 90's is when African American first started gaining traction. It basically shows a trend for growing support for AA over Black.[DOUBLEPOST=1357853908][/DOUBLEPOST]On the bright side, I don't cheer for Washington DC teams.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/redskins-name-change-vincent-gray_n_2443004.html
Necronic
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So in other words any trends there are meaningless (although the overall average values of ~15-20% AA vs Black aren't).
No the numbers are from the same poll over time, which are all Gallup numbers. They don't show numbers from before 1991 because they can't swear by the methodology, but say that their numbers are in line with trends observed in previous ones.
Necronic
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Ok, I know we are way off subject now, BUT
AA: 18 23 21 18 19 23 24
B: 19 22 13 17 13 15 13
It's hard for me to see any trend in either of those series. There really isn't one in the AA category, and *maybe* there is a trend in the B category but it's very hard to tell without seeing pre-91 data.
AA: 18 23 21 18 19 23 24
B: 19 22 13 17 13 15 13
It's hard for me to see any trend in either of those series. There really isn't one in the AA category, and *maybe* there is a trend in the B category but it's very hard to tell without seeing pre-91 data.
Cajungal
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This isn't me, but I spoke with a friend recently who often makes comments that don't sit right with me. She'll say something like, "My brother couldn't have moved to that neighborhood without getting a big dog." When I asked why, she said it's because it was a black neighborhood with a lot of crime, and black people are scared of dogs. 
Also, this is different, but still weird to me. She always has to make a really big deal about someone's ethnicity/skin color/sexual orientation when describing someone. We were talking about her new job recently, and she started talking about one of the cooks. "She's just this cute little black lady with gold teeth who calls everybody sugar. Just a cute old southern black lady." Or another one, "He's this cute little gay guy, and he's got the sweetest boyfriend, and he always wears these really nice shoes.... he's just the cutest gay guy and I want him to take me shopping and talk to me about boys."
AARGH you really have to hear her tone for it to come across completely.
Also, this is different, but still weird to me. She always has to make a really big deal about someone's ethnicity/skin color/sexual orientation when describing someone. We were talking about her new job recently, and she started talking about one of the cooks. "She's just this cute little black lady with gold teeth who calls everybody sugar. Just a cute old southern black lady." Or another one, "He's this cute little gay guy, and he's got the sweetest boyfriend, and he always wears these really nice shoes.... he's just the cutest gay guy and I want him to take me shopping and talk to me about boys."
AARGH you really have to hear her tone for it to come across completely.
This isn't me, but I spoke with a friend recently who often makes comments that don't sit right with me. She'll say something like, "My brother couldn't have moved to that neighborhood without getting a big dog." When I asked why, she said it's because it was a black neighborhood with a lot of crime, and black people are scared of dogs.
This annoys the hell out of me.
Or when I'm telling a story about someone, and early on certain relatives ask what the person's skin color is. Why the fuck does it matter?
Cajungal
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I think I know why she and others do this. She takes a great deal of pride in being enlightened and accepting of all people. Now, to be fair, she is one of the least judgmental people I know... But I think she talks like that to showcase her diverse circle of friends.
Bill Maher doesn't belong on that list at all. He's a pompous douchebag who has no interest in having any discussions about religion vs atheism, but rather mocking people for having any sort of faith at all.
The rest I totally agree with.
He's there to add some spice!
I used to use it in a way that mocked people who used it as an insult and ended up using it just as much and the original intention was meaningless.
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