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I dunno, the toys could do it, the idea of this evil terrorist organization being defeated by an elite team of soldiers time and time again could do it. Hell, Sgt. Slaughter could be the defining element of G.I. Joe for some people.
If it was the toys, they would have used different character names I'm sure. Instead they went with the ones most popularized by the comics and TV show.
Evil terrorists vs elite team of soldiers? Could have been done with a different title/names of characters.
Sgt.Slaughter? Wasn't even in the film.
Evil terrorists vs elite team of soldiers? Could have been done with a different title/names of characters.
Sgt.Slaughter? Wasn't even in the film.
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I am really not at all invested in this and I pretty much already conceded the the argument to you because I have no interest in dragging out this pointless discussion, but my point was that I seems like a silly complaint to make considering the cartoon didn't exactly make the characters rich and deep. If you really love those characters, I can understand being a bit annoyed at those changes, but whatever, the comics and television series are still there, and this is just a new interpretation of the characters and it doesn't make all other versions disappear
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*ugh*
Just saw the new GiJoe line. You have "generic soldiers in black" in the 80's GIJOE size, the original large size with clothes and a kid-friendly cute chibi Joes.
*ugh*
At least the movie felt like GIJOE, but then thats because of Snake-eyes.
Just saw the new GiJoe line. You have "generic soldiers in black" in the 80's GIJOE size, the original large size with clothes and a kid-friendly cute chibi Joes.
*ugh*
At least the movie felt like GIJOE, but then thats because of Snake-eyes.
I think some stuff happened between Vince McMahon and him, which is why he didn't get the OK for a movie appearance (I'm assuming that the WWE owns rights to the Sgt. Slaughter character). Robert Remus was relieved of his backstage producer duties awhile back and only serves the company in a limited capacity these days. He IS supposed to be the special guest host on Monday Night RAW tomorrow though, so maybe things are better between them?Shegokigo said:
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090809/e ... _boxoffice
Well it can't be all that bad apparently its the top gross earner this past weekend earning around 56.2 million dollars
Well it can't be all that bad apparently its the top gross earner this past weekend earning around 56.2 million dollars
What the hell does that mean? Meet the Spartans was number one its weekend.BlackCat said:
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That literally means nothing other than the marketing campaign was fairly successful.BlackCat said:
I'm glad for the update. Yeah they changed a lot regarding the characters. I don't see any reason why the Baronness couldn't have been Russian and still work it into the plot.
But you have to give the movie credit in at least making Cobra seem like an actual threat. I mean we're talking an organization who tried to take over the world by holding a telathon during an episode of the cartoon series. And of course there was that whole kid friendly issue of no one ever dying in the series. They solved that right-quick for the movie when Zartan brutally murders Cover Girl.
So yeah. They changed some things. But it's still GI Joe to me. Just a GI Joe that has advanced along with the generation it entertained back in the 80s.
But you have to give the movie credit in at least making Cobra seem like an actual threat. I mean we're talking an organization who tried to take over the world by holding a telathon during an episode of the cartoon series. And of course there was that whole kid friendly issue of no one ever dying in the series. They solved that right-quick for the movie when Zartan brutally murders Cover Girl.
So yeah. They changed some things. But it's still GI Joe to me. Just a GI Joe that has advanced along with the generation it entertained back in the 80s.
Typical reboot mindset. Be it in comics, movies, or shows. Take existing characters and/or plotline and rework it. Some people don't mind that kind of thing. Others have invested enough in the original concepts that they don't like the changes.Shegokigo said:
As Kissinger mentioned earlier it's not like a reboot invalidates everything you read in the comics or watched on the show. This is something my roommate tends to believe and refuses to see the movie because it jeopordizes everything GI.Joe means to him (his words).
I'm glad you enjoyed it as a movie though.
I can see how someone with little to no knowledge of the original series/comics would have enjoyed the movie (other than the cringe-worthy dialogue) but I'm coming from a different point of view, which is why I was bothered, I will say this, I'm very much looking foward to the sequel which I'm sure will go something like:Cog said:
[spoiler:3bxo4eyc]Secret president will disassemble GI Joe, release Cobra Commander and Destro, Baroness will be "reactivated" and we'll have an all out war[/spoiler:3bxo4eyc]
I think Star Trek cheated the system by explaining the differences. It was a creative "cheat", but the reboot would have happened regardless. Luckily Star Trek is notorious for having an explanation for everything, so it was just a convenience thing. While I'm sure the explanation was an added bonus, I don't think it would have made much of a difference in how likable it was. Die-hard fans were still not accepting it, even as an explained reboot. I remember hearing many arguments concerning "They just invalidated every single series except Enterprise! And that one sucked!"Shegokigo said:
You mention X-3 as a notoriously bad reboot, but you don't mention the other two in the trilogy which are just as much reboots but are known for being good. Heck. I thought the second one was pretty darn close for best comic book movie ever.
And of course there is the Batman Begins reboot. Superman. Etc.
And I thought the first Resident Evil movie fit in very well with the storyline of the games without too much retconning involved.
Wait what? Duke and Hawk were probably among the closest to their old storylines.Shegokigo said:
The reason for changing the Scarlett/Snake-Eyes love thing is because Snake-Eyes never speaks and we never see his face. It's the same reason he was a background character in the cartoon and was saddled with Jinx and Kamakura with him at all times during Sigma Six.Shegokigo said:
Baroness I will give you. They hit the broad strokes (hates a key Joe because she thinks he killed her brother, has a thing with Destro, not loyal particularly loyal to Cobra, is a baroness) but really just created their own character. Aside from the for realz metal head at the end, Destro was largely unaltered as far as I could tell. Cobra Commander...was a used car salesman. Who got mad at the U.S. government when his brother came back from 'Nam all depressed, founded an anti-government militia and then......somehow became an international terrorist with connections to Russian Baronesses, rogue ninjas, Scottish arms dealers, Austrian mercenaries, and a biker gang lead by a ninja master of disguise ex-mercenary. Even in the comics it didn't make any mother fucking sense and I am glad they basically just grafted the British version of the character onto The Baronesses' story, threw in a little Darth Vader, and gave him an even slightly more plausible back story.Shegokigo said:
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Thanks for putting some light on the issues though Dorko. Much appreciated.
Big apologies there. I got Hawk and Falcon mixed up (damn birds). Though the fact that Duke was a "one woman man" did kind of take away from his original style. Again, my mistake.Dorko said:
Except you know, there is NOTHING between Scarlett and Duke in the film at all, and they put some idiot story with Ripcord instead.Dorko said:
Perhaps I was raging a bit at the sheer destruction of the Baroness character I overlooked the "good" reboot of Destro, I really liked what they did with him on reflection. Cobra Commander on the other hand, it's not so much they went for a different route with the source material, but WHAT they made him "come from" that really threw me, that and the horrible mask/thing he has on his face towards the end.Dorko said:
Thanks for putting some light on the issues though Dorko. Much appreciated.
Kinda thought that was what happened.Shegokigo said:
I know, and agree about the Snake-Eyes bit. I liked the Ripcord thing, because it gave them both something to do until they were plot relevant. I read the novelization and while it played up the initial bit in the G.I. Joe hovercraft where Snake-Eyes kinda checks on Scarlett, there really wasn't anything there either (so nothing major cut out). A nod would have been nice.Shegokigo said:
While it has grown on me (I see the doll sized CC practically every time I work), I agree that the mask was a little odd. Since he has two perfectly good battle armor masks to draw from already. I'd also like to find out how Rex went from basically good military science geek to be-monocled super villain after seeing one video on a guy's computer. That...was odd.Shegokigo said:
Ah, er, you're welcome.Shegokigo said:
Though, full disclosure, I was born in 1990. I didn't grow up on G.I. Joe, not even G.I. Joe Extreme. I sought out all this geeky knowledge when I was teenager.
An argument won on the internet? It's a landmark moment. I think this thread deserves a place in the Hall of Fame.Dorko said:Kinda thought that was what happened.Shegokigo said:
I know, and agree about the Snake-Eyes bit. I liked the Ripcord thing, because it gave them both something to do until they were plot relevant. I read the novelization and while it played up the initial bit in the G.I. Joe hovercraft where he kinda checks on her, there really wasn't anything there either (so nothing major cut out). A nod would have been nice.Shegokigo said:
While it has grown on me (I see the doll sized CC practically every time I work), I agree that the mask was a little odd. Since he has two perfectly good battle armor masks to draw from already. I'd also like to find out how Rex went from basically good military science geek to be-monocled super villain after seeing one video on a guy's computer. That...was odd.Shegokigo said:
Ah, er, you're welcome.Shegokigo said:
No one got the short end of the stick in the movie harder than Covergirl.
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Heavy Duty instead of Gung Ho or Roadblock (two more of the waaaaay more often used heavy hitter guys). Ripcord was barely a tertiary character. I can't even remember who the hell the french guy was supposed to be (Breaker?). Other than Duke, Scarlet and Snake Eyes they went with second string characters from the cartoon and or comics.
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For the bad guys they used the most recognizable ones but for the good guys? Hardly.Shegokigo said:
Heavy Duty instead of Gung Ho or Roadblock (two more of the waaaaay more often used heavy hitter guys). Ripcord was barely a tertiary character. I can't even remember who the hell the french guy was supposed to be (Breaker?). Other than Duke, Scarlet and Snake Eyes they went with second string characters from the cartoon and or comics.
I cannot believe the detail of discussion about the G.I. Joe cartoon in here. All I remember from the cartoon is flashing lights and colors and explosions.
I was an obsessed G.I.Joe and Transformers fan as a kid. I still retain most of that knowledge.
Anyways, in my opinion, the movie really could not have delivered more on what the premise was. It was a 2 hour G.I.Joe episode right down to the "WE SHALL MEET AGAIN!" speech at the end. Other than changing some character's ethnicities and backgrounds and having the Baroness be a completely different character it was G.I.Joe.
That said it's a fucking terrible movie. Fucking awesomely terrible movie. If the Transformers movies had had the treatment that G.I.Joe had I probably would have liked them.
Anyways, in my opinion, the movie really could not have delivered more on what the premise was. It was a 2 hour G.I.Joe episode right down to the "WE SHALL MEET AGAIN!" speech at the end. Other than changing some character's ethnicities and backgrounds and having the Baroness be a completely different character it was G.I.Joe.
That said it's a fucking terrible movie. Fucking awesomely terrible movie. If the Transformers movies had had the treatment that G.I.Joe had I probably would have liked them.
You mean, had the Transformers actually been the centric part of the movie? Yeah I'd agree. The action scenes in GI Joe were also much easier to follow and figure out what the hell was going on.
Simply put, as I stated previously. It delivered on the action and while not quite "raping my childhood" it did kind of "feel them up" on the bus.
Simply put, as I stated previously. It delivered on the action and while not quite "raping my childhood" it did kind of "feel them up" on the bus.
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