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The major problem I have with console games is they ARE dragging down pc gaming - in the form that developers want to release their games on multiple platforms and code for the least common denominator. Thus, the PC is subjected to shitty console ports galore.
You still have lots of gaming options out there, I think. Has the diversity changed, perhaps, to include more crap in addition to the good stuff?
 
The majority of this thread proves there is a fight over which is better, the same sort of fight that was pulled over every competing entertainment platform ever, from SNES and Genesis to HD-DVD and BluRay (or hell, even Betamax and VHS). The major difference here is this one's not going to end. All in all it's just another dick-waving contest.
Except BluRay was better than DVD, SNES vs Genesis was a minimal difference so it doesn't apply. Sometimes in a dick-waving contest, one side really does have a bigger more useful dick.
 
You're the only one whipping it out, as far as I can tell.
I was referring to past battles that you mentioned. However yes, I don't mind explaining how much better PC gaming is over console when there are facts to back it up. I would never get into a debate about PS3 vs XBOX360 because there's such a slight difference.
 
I was referring to past battles that you mentioned. However yes, I don't mind explaining how much better PC gaming is over console when there are facts to back it up.
Nobody thinks otherwise. It is like trying to argue that apples are bigger than cherries. To me, it doesn't matter.
 
The major problem I have with console games is they ARE dragging down pc gaming - in the form that developers want to release their games on multiple platforms and code for the least common denominator. Thus, the PC is subjected to shitty console ports galore.
The reason why they make console games and port to PC is because, for the most part, AAA developers make more money on consoles still. Until that changes, console-first-then-PC is unlikely to change.

Why you hatin' on the free market, GB?
 
Gaming is about entertainment, bottom line. If you get that from PC games over console, good for you. If you get it from console over PC, good for you. PC gaming is dragged down by elitist assbags as much as console gaming is dragged down by fratboy dudebros, and game development has become so much of a business over the last decade that regardless of your platform of choice, you're getting shit on by devs and publishers alike while you drag each other through the mud over who's the master race.
 
Here's something I'm reading that is absolutely baffling to me about the whole reveal: Why are people so hung up on what the console itself will look like? Who fucking cares? It's going to be a black box that sits tucked somewhere on your entertainment center. You're barely going to touch the thing or even acknowledge it beyond plugging in a controller to charge it.
 
Here's something I'm reading that is absolutely baffling to me about the whole reveal: Why are people so hung up on what the console itself will look like? Who fucking cares? It's going to be a black box that sits tucked somewhere on your entertainment center. You're barely going to touch the thing or even acknowledge it beyond plugging in a controller to charge it.
Because if it's Black they'll want to know when then can buy the Red, then the White, then the Blue version! I think only PS and Nintendo were guilty of this, Xbox has always been Black or White commercially hasn't it?

(Wait no, there was the Red Resident Evil version, and the Green Halo Edition, fuck all the consoles have done this nonsense)
 
There's like a dozen funky coloured 360s. In fact, there are waaaaaaay more fucked up coloured 360s than there are PS3s. It seemed like every big game had a limited edition coloured 360.


 
So, as long as I:

  • Download and set up Steam myself
  • Set up the OS to auto-start Steam myself
  • Troubleshoot any video, sound, driver, Steam, OS, or other issues myself
  • Replace whatever hardware every few years myself, given that I...
  • ...research which video cards (and/or audio cards and/or processor and/or memory) are the best choices to upgrade to
Then I can enjoy the benefits of better graphics on the rare occasion that I have time and solitude to play video games? I probably would spend more time troubleshooting than actually playing these days. I'll take the all-in-one magic box, thanks.[DOUBLEPOST=1361562548][/DOUBLEPOST]

I used to build my own computers once upon a time. I don't any more. Now I prefer to use my time for other things. I know I could do it. I could also grow my own vegetables. Some things are not worth it to me any more to do myself.
If you really want a magic all in one box, the PC wins in that arena. I can't do my taxes on a PS3 :p

Again, I need to stress, I'm not even saying that PCs are the only legitimate gaming route. I love my PS3 and my WiiU. If you don't know how to boot up a computer and click on an icon in today's day and age, I don't know what to tell you.

As for bullet point 3, unless you're running a computer that's 10+ years old, this is rarely, if ever a problem.
 
This article discusses PS4 and used games.

It sounds a lot less concrete than from that other article. The guy who was being interviewed doesn't really know what's going to be happening; only his expectation.

Wii U, you'd better get some good games if you and I are going to be friends someday.
It sounds like there's internal disagreement at Sony about what to do. That's not a good sign.[DOUBLEPOST=1361569421][/DOUBLEPOST]
I can't do my taxes on a PS3 :p
Sounds like an opportunity if I've ever heard one.
 
I also feel the need to point out that with today's consoles, you still have to do many of the same things that you have to do with PCs. Wait for patches to download, do system software upgrades, etc.

I still have a block of memory on my PS3 that I wouldn't be able to free up without reformatting the entire system due to poor programming on Sony's part.
 
I also feel the need to point out that with today's consoles, you still have to do many of the same things that you have to do with PCs. Wait for patches to download, do system software upgrades, etc.
Thank god the Xbox dashboard doesn't update as frequently as Steam does. And that I've never stuck a disk or opened a game client on my Xbox and gotten a C++ crash notification error. Or ever been unable to play a 360 game due to a weird collusion of GPU and Mobo drivers.
 
Thank god the Xbox dashboard doesn't update as frequently as Steam does.
Except you can play games while STEAM updates unlike Xbox/PS3.

And that I've never stuck a disk or opened a game client on my Xbox and gotten a C++ crash notification error.
I've never had that issue with a PC either.

Or ever been unable to play a 360 game due to a weird collusion of GPU and Mobo drivers.
How old have the PCs you been playing on been?

For posterity: Xbox RROD and PS3 YLOD.
 

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You still have lots of gaming options out there, I think. Has the diversity changed, perhaps, to include more crap in addition to the good stuff?
Here's an example - Call of Duty used to be PC exclusive. Then they started developing it jointly for consoles (or even as console exclusive for COD3), its quality suffered. It went from one of the most prestigious first person titles to the laughing stock of the internet, synonymous with dudebro/foulmouthed kid gamers. And that's just a sampling. Many dedicated PC developers, up to and including the grand daddy of the PC gaming boom, id software, have been lured away from PC to consoles by the siren song of pandering to the least common denominator for higher sales numbers. So yes, the amount have crap has increased, but the amount of gold has decreased as the forges were repurposed for manure production.

This picture gets bandied about a lot -



You know whose fault that is? Consoles. You know whose fault consoles are? Console gamers.

Why you hatin' on the free market, GB?
I'm not hatin' on the "free market," I'm hatin' on people. Console tards. Which I suppose, barely qualify as people.
 
Thank god the Xbox dashboard doesn't update as frequently as Steam does. And that I've never stuck a disk or opened a game client on my Xbox and gotten a C++ crash notification error. Or ever been unable to play a 360 game due to a weird collusion of GPU and Mobo drivers.
I haven't had that problem in literally years. Nvidia auto updates drivers now, as does my motherboard.
 
Except you can play games while STEAM updates unlike Xbox/PS3.
Thank god for the PS4. Catching up the PCs everyday! :awesome:


I've never had that issue with a PC either.
Most recently, happened to me during Firefall's beta and when I tried to update League of Legends.

How old have the PCs you been playing on been?.
Brand new, i5-3870K on a z68 board using a Radeon HD 3850 running Windows 7. Runs Far Cry 3 on High like butter, but Civ 5 decided that it didn't support enough DX11 features and ran it at a paltry 25 fps with flickering textures.
 
Thank god for the PS4. Catching up the PCs everyday! :awesome:




Most recently, happened to me during Firefall's beta and when I tried to update League of Legends.



Brand new, i5-3870K on a z68 board using a Radeon HD 3850 running Windows 7. Runs Far Cry 3 on High like butter, but Civ 5 decided that it didn't support enough DX11 features and ran it at a paltry 25 fps with flickering textures.
Welp, I guess you just have the kind of luck like people who get a RROD on their Xbox within the first year vs the guy who still is using his gen1 Xbox360 with no issues.
 
I haven't had that problem in literally years. Nvidia auto updates drivers now, as does my motherboard.
Going by a random roll around nvidia support forums and neowin, it sounds like others are not having your experience.[DOUBLEPOST=1361570537][/DOUBLEPOST]
Welp, I guess you just have the kind of luck like people who get a RROD on their Xbox within the first year vs the guy who still is using his gen1 Xbox360 with no issues.
Actually the C++ error was pretty widespread for both the Firefall beta and the LoL build at the time. A minority of players, sure, but it wasn't exactly 1 in a million.
 
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So people like their consoles and other people hate that people like their consoles. There, off-topic over, can we move onto how bad the PS4 is going to be?
 
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