So... California is in deficit. Propose to legal/tax Pot

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... %2C00.html

Yup....

It is actually being considered.

Proponents of marijuana legalization have advanced plenty of arguments in support of their drug of choice — that marijuana is less dangerous than legal substances like cigarettes and alcohol; that pot has legitimate medical uses; that the money spent prosecuting marijuana offenses would be better used on more pressing public concerns.


While 13 states permit the limited sale of marijuana for medical use, and polls show a steady increase in the number of Americans who favor legalization, federal law still bans the cultivation, sale, or possession of marijuana. In fact, the feds still classify marijuana as a Schedule I drug, one that has no \"currently accepted medical use\" in the United States. (See a TIME video on Medical Marijiuana Home Delivery)

But supporters of legalization may have been handed their most convincing argument yet: the bummer economy. Advocates argue that if state or local governments could collect a tax on even a fraction of pot sales, it would help rescue cash-strapped communities. Not surprisingly, the idea is getting traction in California, home to both the nation\"s largest supply of domestically grown marijuana (worth a estimated $14 billion a year) and to the country\"s biggest state budget deficit (more than $26 billion).

On Monday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the California legislative leaders a tentative budget agreement to plug the state's deficit, but it would involve making sweeping cuts in education and health services, as well as taking billions from county governments. Democratic state assemblyman Tom Ammiano has introduced legislation that would let California regulate and tax the sale of marijuana. The state's proposed $50 an ounce pot tax would bring in about $1.3 billion a year in additional revenue. Ammiano's bill was shelved this session but he expects to introduce a revised bill early next year. (Read \"Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?\")

If the state legislature doesn\"t act, perhaps California voters will. One group is preparing to place a statewide initiative for the November 2010 ballot that would regulate and tax the sale of marijuana for Californians 21 years of age and older. Tellingly, the group spearheading the measure calls itself TaxCannabis2010.org, stressing the revenue advantages of marijuana legalization. The group hopes to collect the required 650,000 voter signatures by January to place the measure on the November 2010 ballot.

\"There\"s no doubt that the ground is shifting on marijuana,\" says Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which promotes alternatives to the war on drugs. \"The discussion about regulating and taxing marijuana now has an air of legitimacy to it that it didn\"t quite have before. And the economy has given the issue a real turbo charge.\" (Read \"Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?\")

The legalization effort is getting serious consideration from surprising quarters. In May, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly called for a large-scale study to determine whether to legalize and tax marijuana.

\"I think it\"s time for a debate,\" the governor said at a news conference. \"I think we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs.\" (See a TIME photoessay on Cannabis Culture)

In California, medical marijuana sales are already taxed, and some communities are looking for ways to get a bigger slice of the pot pie. Residents Oakland are currently voting in a mail-in special election that includes a measure which would make the city the first in the country to establish a new tax rate for medical marijuana businesses. If the measure passes, Oakland marijuana dispensaries, which are now charged at the general tax rate of $1.20 per $1,000 in receipts, would see that rate raised to $18 per $1,000.

A Field Poll conducted in California this spring showed 56% of the state\"s registered voters in support of legalizing and taxing marijuana as a way of offsetting some of the budget deficit. Several national polls have shown that more than 45% of American adults are open to legalizing pot, about double the support a decade ago.

Even the most ardent marijuana advocates aren\"t expecting nationwide legalization anytime soon. Instead, any action is likely to come on the state and local level. For now, all eyes are on cash-strapped California, where high taxes could take on an entirely new meaning.
 
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Charlie Dont Surf said:
I fully support this and hope it goes through, but this alone will not save California by a long shot.
man... can you imagine the back taxes on those "street sellers"

I can see the IRS swooping in to collect those back taxes on Marijuana (50$ an ounce??? )
 

I did, in fact. Though I don't really see the point or appeal of pot. And I'm pretty sure I'm allergic to it (gagging to the near point of choking when even getting a whiff of it). But to each their own.

But yeah, I did mean the deficit.
 
The problem is I doubt the Feds are going to let any of this happen. It's good to at least get the government thinking seriously about it though.
 
Covar said:
so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
They may have been misplaced. The researchers totally had them a second ago, but... so they were about to... dude, Family Guy is on!
 
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Jake said:
Covar said:
so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
They may have been misplaced. The researchers totally had them a second ago, but... so they were about to... dude, Family Guy is on!
more like...... dude!! I'm hungry!! lets go get some munchies

edit: I wonder if they would take volunteers for a new study... ;)
 
$50 and ounce tax would still encourage illegal sales because thats going to drive the price up a ton. It's about $80 an ounce for swag and $120 for dro in Iowa. I don't know how much the legal dispensaries sell for in California but I am betting its still a good amount of money and adding a $50 tax on that will probably bring it above the illegal prices.
 
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HoboNinja said:
$50 and ounce tax would still encourage illegal sales because thats going to drive the price up a ton. It's about $80 an ounce for swag and $120 for dro in Iowa. I don't know how much the legal dispensaries sell for in California but I am betting its still a good amount of money and adding a $50 tax on that will probably bring it above the illegal prices.

question would be if the law pass and a person caught selling it (illegally) would that person be charge for back taxes? ;)
 
Selling it legally would probably drop the price of it though. A good chunk of the price now has to do with it being illegal. How much is it selling for legally as medication now?
 
I just got word on my huge new tuition fees due to ridiculous cuts to the education budget. I say tax the shit out of whatever you want. I'm getting ready to leave this piece of shit state anyway.
 
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Covar said:
so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
Second hand smoke is really only a problem if the 2nd hander is constantly(hours at a time) in an enclosed environment.
 

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HoboNinja said:
$50 and ounce tax would still encourage illegal sales because thats going to drive the price up a ton. It's about $80 an ounce for swag and $120 for dro in Iowa. I don't know how much the legal dispensaries sell for in California but I am betting its still a good amount of money and adding a $50 tax on that will probably bring it above the illegal prices.
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Wow are you wrong.

Weed, takes almost nothing to make. It is incredibly robust plant. There is a reason it is called weed. It would probably cost less than a dollar per pound to make once production gets going. Almost all of the cost of marijuana comes from the incredible logistics necessary to move it across the country.

Moreover, the current quality of swag vs the expected quality of well produced and manufactured MJ would be somewhere along the lines of the quality difference between TOPS/Bugler tobacco and Gauloise tobacco.
 
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Shakey said:
Selling it legally would probably drop the price of it though. A good chunk of the price now has to do with it being illegal. How much is it selling for legally as medication now?
Not necessarily, I get better prices than any dispensary I've seen.
The more middlemen and the smaller individual quantities you buy the more it arbitrarily gets jacked up.

Covar said:
so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
:facepalm:

Necronic said:
To achieve maximum results, there's a great deal of maintenance and preparation (trimming) that goes into the process...if you stick it in a pot by the window it will grow but will likely be pretty lame.
 
As long as they regulate it, much the same way that they do alcohol, I'm all for legalization.

I just don't want to have to smell it.
 
This is obviously a plot by the Rainbow Mafia... first they screw up the economy, then they legalise MJ for "tax purposes"... then when everyone is high they convince them to repel Prop 8... sneaky.
 
Koko said:
Covar said:
so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
:facepalm:
Its a valid question. People are so adamant about legalizing it, but I've never seen any study on secondhand effects. Say what you want I don't have to worry about booze getting me drunk if my neighbors drinking it.
 
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This is obviously a plot by the Rainbow Mafia... first they screw up the economy, then they legalise MJ for "tax purposes"... then when everyone is high they convince them to repel Prop 8... sneaky.
Michael Jackson was illegal?!? Well that kinda explains why he never grew up properly if he had to be in hiding all the time.
 

Frankie said:
I'm all for the legalization and taxation of pot. Would make my job much easier.
This is from a cop, folks. End of argument. I don't smoke it and I say legalize it. It's better for society than alcohol and that's legal. Illegal pot makes no sense at all and never has.
 
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Edrondol said:
Frankie said:
I'm all for the legalization and taxation of pot. Would make my job much easier.
This is from a cop, folks. End of argument. I don't smoke it and I say legalize it. It's better for society than alcohol and that's legal. Illegal pot makes no sense at all and never has.

doesn't pot make people mellow? (I never smoke it but hear stories) so makes it easier for cop to arrest people ;) less resistance.
 
Frankie said:
I'm all for the legalization and taxation of pot. Would make my job much easier.
I too, think it's a waste of time, money and effort to go after / process pot smokers. From what little I know of US pot use, it seems to be a law that is broken so often that maintaining it just seems silly if there aren't big dangers behind using it.
 
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Shegokigo said:
If pot legalization passes before gay marriage...... :eek:rly:
I wouldn't be surprise Shego. Why?

cause smoking weed is not a sin ;) (at least not any of my religious friend said so yet. unless they lump it with Cigarettes and alcohols)
 
Chibibar said:
Shegokigo said:
If pot legalization passes before gay marriage...... :eek:rly:
I wouldn't be surprise Shego. Why?

cause smoking weed is not a sin ;) (at least not any of my religious friend said so yet. unless they lump it with Cigarettes and alcohols)
To most "highly religious" it's exactly the same as smoking cigs. Anything to "harm the body" is as to "harming the Lord" to them.
That's why I'd be freakin pissed off if one were to pass over the other.
 
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Shegokigo said:
Chibibar said:
Shegokigo said:
If pot legalization passes before gay marriage...... :eek:rly:
I wouldn't be surprise Shego. Why?

cause smoking weed is not a sin ;) (at least not any of my religious friend said so yet. unless they lump it with Cigarettes and alcohols)
To most "highly religious" it's exactly the same as smoking cigs. Anything to "harm the body" is as to "harming the Lord" to them.
That's why I'd be freakin pissed off if one were to pass over the other.
true... but some religion they don't mind. I know many Christians (at least not "hard core") smokes.... but hate gays... yea double standard.
 
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