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Nov 6, 2014#1

@Li3n

...and it's "The Force Awakens"!

I tihnk we can all agree, Lucas might have sucked at writing dialogue, political intrigue and needed an editor that could say NO to him more then anything, but damn, he knew how to title stuff.

Nov 6, 2014#2

Celt Z

I'm picturing old man Skywalker shuffling over to get his coffee. "Hey, it's been 30 years! It's takes a little while to get started, okay?"

Nov 6, 2014#3

sixpackshaker

He's as old as Alec Guinness was in 1977... scary for me...

Nov 6, 2014#4

Piotyr

sixpackshaker said:
He's as old as Alec Guinness was in 1977... scary for me...

He's more machine than man now; twisted and evil.

Nov 6, 2014#5

Dave

See, I don't like that title. I would prefer something like, "The Force Rises".

Nov 6, 2014#6

Fun Size

I look forward to many jokes revolving around referring to penises as "the force" for years to come.

And Dave delivers.

Nov 6, 2014#7

Dave

Fun Size said:
I look forward to many jokes revolving around referring to penises as "the force" for years to come.

And Dave delivers.

It wasn't a joke. But mine would be made into one, that's for sure.

Nov 6, 2014#8

Null

It's about time the Force awakens, it's been Unleashed twice already.

Nov 6, 2014#9

Null

Of course, this suggests an obvious theme besides John Williams...

Nov 6, 2014#10

CynicismKills

Episode VIII: The Force Snoozes For Awhile

Episode IX: The Force Is Ten Minutes Late To Work

Nov 6, 2014#11

grub

Episode X: The Force Starts "Working" From Home?

Nov 6, 2014#12

bhamv3

Episode XI: The Force Wonders Why All These "Entry" Positions Call for Three to Five Years of Experience

Episode XII: The Force Decides to Go Freelance

Anyway, I don't hate the title. I'm guessing it means the Force will awaken in one or more of the new younger characters, and the older characters (mainly Luke, probably) will find and train them.

Nov 6, 2014#13

Ravenpoe

Episode XIII: The Force is Just In Between Things Right Now, You Know?

Nov 6, 2014#14

CynicismKills

bhamv3 said:
Anyway, I don't hate the title. I'm guessing it means the Force will awaken in one or more of the new younger characters, and the older characters (mainly Luke, probably) will find and train them.

That's what I'm guessing also. Luke, being one of the last known Jedi, reforms a Temple and begins finding and training new Padawans. It's basically what he did in the novels, so even EU folks could be behind it.

Nov 6, 2014#15

Null

Episode XIV: The Force Abides

Nov 6, 2014#16

bhamv3

Oh, also, calling it now...

Luke dies in Episode 7, to keep with the tradition of Jedi mentors dying (Qui-Gonn, Obi-Wan).

Nov 6, 2014#17

CynicismKills

The rage would be palpable.

Palpatineable, you could say.

Nov 7, 2014#18

@Li3n

stienman said:
For all the complaints people have about the storyline as a whole, Lucas didn't pull his punches. Of course it's just a typical monomyth, but still, I'm worried Disney won't be able to do it.

JJ Abrams, however, can handle it as long as he's given the go-ahead.

I don't know, that would be kinda way too cliché to do a 3rd time.

I mean the OT at least departed from the norm by having the roguish sidekick get the girl instead of the hero (even if they punk'd out a bit by making her his sister).

And if the PT hadn't sucked so much it would have noticeably weaker a story because it had no departures from the norm imo...

So i'm really hoping the ST will at least try to mix things up a little, while still following the monomyth thing...

Nov 7, 2014#19

Null

Maybe this time he'll shake things up by adding mysteries that wind up going nowhere, conspiracies that are so complicated they wind up being idiotic, lens flare, plot holes, lens flare, and fanservicey references that don't really make sense in context.

Nov 7, 2014#20

drawn_inward

Han Solo is a more likely "shocking" death, IMO.

Nov 7, 2014#21

Terrik

Or....they could just go with the death they already had in the books. You know the one.

Nov 7, 2014#22

@Li3n

If they really want to shock people they'd go with Leia... because clearly no one expects that.

Nov 7, 2014#23

Celt Z

Terrik said:
Or....they could just go with the death they already had in the books. You know the one.

DAMN YOU, R.A. SALVATORE!

Nov 28, 2014#24

@Li3n

Celt Z said:
DAMN YOU, R.A. SALVATORE!

You know, that's one of the few characters that don't depend on their actor still being available... imo that make him way more safe then most.

Nov 28, 2014#25

filmfanatic

Nov 28, 2014#26

@Li3n

EDIT: Well nvm, he already posted it...

Nov 28, 2014#27

blotsfan

Well, I'm incredibly excited.

Nov 28, 2014#28

@Li3n

And that trailer is incredibly JJ Abrams-y...

Nov 28, 2014#29

bhamv3

Holy shit a crossguard lightsaber!

Nov 28, 2014#30

Ravenpoe

@Li3n said:
And that trailer is incredibly JJ Abrams-y...

But in a good way! That trailer showed us absolutely nothing, but I still loved it, because it looked Star Warsy.

Nov 28, 2014#31

sixpackshaker

I feel a great disturbance...

in my pants.

Nov 28, 2014#32

@Li3n

Ravenpoe said:
But in a good way! That trailer showed us absolutely nothing, but I still loved it, because it looked Star Warsy.

Well it certainly fits Star Wars better then Star Trek...

Also, the relative sparseness of lens flare helps a lot.

Nov 28, 2014#33

CynicismKills

bhamv3 said:
Holy shit a crossguard lightsaber!

A few friends have expressed doubt in the lightsaber, but I think it opens some new avenues for pretty brutal, heavy-swing style saber combat which sounds Dark Side as hell.

Nov 28, 2014#34

Null

CynicismKills said:
A few friends have expressed doubt in the lightsaber, but I think it opens some new avenues for pretty brutal, heavy-swing style saber combat which sounds Dark Side as hell.

Yeah, except if your blade gets pushed or torqued at all, you'll slice your own hands off.

The trailer made me less excited about the movie.

Nov 28, 2014#35

AshburnerX

Two-handed sabers are nothing new, though I'm pretty sure most would have just had a cortosis cross guard instead of one with DANGEROUS SABER BITS NEXT TO YOUR FINGERS. Still pretty cool though.

Nov 28, 2014#36

Chad Sexington

I don't... what? Surely two-handed swords were such because of the weight. A lightsabre would require, at most, a longer handle if you wanted to use two hands, since presumably it has infinitesimal weight from the length of the blade.

Anyways, it looks silly.

There is a real part of me that is primarily excited for this movie just so Plinkett can review it:

Nov 28, 2014#37

CynicismKills

If a regular lightsaber were pushed enough you'd still lose a hand. The double-bladed saber looks more likely to take your own appendages off before your opponent's. Lightsabers in general are kind of a silly weapon.

Nov 28, 2014#38

AshburnerX

Chad Sexington said:
I don't... what? Surely two-handed swords were such because of the weight. A lightsabre would require, at most, a longer handle if you wanted to use two hands, since presumably it has infinitesimal weight from the length of the blade.

It's a bit more complicated than that... you need a bigger field generator to generator the magnetic field that contains the plasma, a larger battery to power the now larger field, larger crystals to prevent their effects from being diluted over the much larger blade, etc. Basically the whole thing gets a bit heavier and a bit harder to deal with because the gyroscopic effect of the blade is more pronounced.

And yes, it's a bit much... but it's also iconic, which is something they really want in their villain I guess.

Nov 28, 2014#39

SpecialKO

The cross-guard is clearly an anti-theft device. Only a Jedi has the affinity with the Force/skills necessary to use it without cutting their own hands off.

Nov 28, 2014#40

AshburnerX

CynicismKills said:
If a regular lightsaber were pushed enough you'd still lose a hand. The double-bladed saber looks more likely to take your own appendages off before your opponent's. Lightsabers in general are kind of a silly weapon.

This is why normal people don't use them; without the Force, it's an accident waiting to happen. Force-sensitives can predict it better and use it effectively, which is the reason why someone pulling one out is met with "Oh shit" instead of "This idiot's going to lose an arm."[DOUBLEPOST=1417208635,1417208598][/DOUBLEPOST]

SpecialKO said:
The cross-guard is clearly an anti-theft device. Only a Jedi has the affinity with the Force/skills necessary to use it without cutting their own hands off.

I like to imagine it's like Blade's katana with the ant-theft prongs that take off your hand.

Nov 28, 2014#41

SpecialKO

AshburnerX said:
I like to imagine it's like Blade's katana with the ant-theft prongs that take off your hand.

Dude, I totally went looking for the gif of that bit the moment I posted that, but Google failed me.

Nov 28, 2014#42

CynicismKills

AshburnerX said:
This is why normal people don't use them; without the Force, it's an accident waiting to happen. Force-sensitives can predict it better and use it effectively, which is the reason why someone pulling one out is met with "Oh shit" instead of "This idiot's going to lose an arm."[DOUBLEPOST=1417208635,1417208598][/DOUBLEPOST]

I like to imagine it's like Blade's katana with the ant-theft prongs that take off your hand.

Right I get that. What I'm getting at is it's hard to say one specific lightsaber type is goofy when really they're just goofy in general.

Nov 28, 2014#43

Chad Sexington

CynicismKills said:
Right I get that. What I'm getting at is it's hard to say one specific lightsaber type is goofy when really they're just goofy in general.

Well what I'm really saying is goofy is how it looks, whereas regular lightsabres are... awesome.

Nov 28, 2014#44

CynicismKills

Also, here's a gif.

So, something I noticed after looking at this, the beams are crazy unfocused. Maybe it's not even a crossbar, maybe it's some kind of exhaust because the saber's an old model that can't quite contain the power of whatever crystal's inside it. The guy could be some re-awakened ancient Sith or something. Also there's solid parts extending out past the grip, before the smaller saber bits. It looks more like a claymore than a lightsaber, really.

Nov 28, 2014#45

Ravenpoe

CynicismKills said:
Also, here's a gif.

So, something I noticed after looking at this, the beams are crazy unfocused. Maybe it's not even a crossbar, maybe it's some kind of exhaust because the saber's an old model that can't quite contain the power of whatever crystal's inside it. The guy could be some re-awakened ancient Sith or something. Also there's solid parts extending out past the grip, before the smaller saber bits. It looks more like a claymore than a lightsaber, really.

I posted in the other thread about it's unstable nature, and pondered if it might be one of those unstable sabres from the eu, meant to short out other lightsabers.

Nov 28, 2014#46

AshburnerX

Ravenpoe said:
I posted in the other thread about it's unstable nature, and pondered if it might be one of those unstable sabres from the eu, meant to short out other lightsabers.

This is also an option. Some sabers had mods that do that or crystals that caused that effect, but they kind of fell out of use once the Sith mostly vanished. Who are you going to use in on?

Considering we see someone digging it up, this thing could be over 600 years old.

Nov 28, 2014#47

SpecialKO

stienman said:
As though they were attempting to "overclock" the saber.

Now that I think about it, I could totally see an internet forum argument around how to properly overclock your lightsaber being the true cause of the Great Schism.

Nov 28, 2014#48

GasBandit

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Nov 28, 2014#49

GasBandit

And here, just so you can watch that part over and over...

Nov 28, 2014#50

sixpackshaker

POP QUIZ: What is different about the Falcon?

Nov 28, 2014#51

GasBandit

sixpackshaker said:
POP QUIZ: What is different about the Falcon?

It's missing the big satellite dish.

Nov 28, 2014#52

SpecialKO

Clearly, Han left off replacing it just to tweak Lando's nose about the "not a scratch" thing.

Nov 28, 2014#53

sixpackshaker

GasBandit said:
It's missing the big satellite dish.

Well, you're half right. The replacement is rectangular.[DOUBLEPOST=1417223272,1417223143][/DOUBLEPOST]Now I am waiting for a Tatooine conspiracy theorist to mention the "Chem Trails" coming off the Falcon.

Nov 28, 2014#54

Celt Z

GasBandit said:
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That's only if Tite Kubo ever got his hands on Star Wars.

Nov 28, 2014#55

Null

Also, that Falcon looks considerably thinner. The proportions just aren't quite right.

Nov 28, 2014#56

bhamv3

Maybe it's not the Falcon at all.

Nov 28, 2014#57

Cheesy1

It's the Aeon Hawk, piloted by his cousin Sven Duo.

Nov 28, 2014#58

Celt Z

I hate that it's believable George Lucas would actually write that.

Nov 28, 2014#59

ThatNickGuy

Just remember, folks: The Phantom Menace had a great trailer, too.

(Though I don't think it's as bad as many say it is.)

Nov 28, 2014#60

Hailey Knight

This trailer wasn't that good and the movie can't be that bad.

It feels dumb that 30 years after victory, it's still rebel squadron logos and TIE fighters.

Nov 28, 2014#61

GasBandit

Chainsaber ftw

Nov 29, 2014#62

GasBandit

Stabilized.

Nov 29, 2014#63

CynicismKills

GasBandit said:
Chainsaber ftw

FOR TH' EMPRAH

Nov 29, 2014#64

Covar

GasBandit said:
Chainsaber ftw

He's might as well be punching the Jedi.

Unrelated SwiftKey keeps wanting to autocorrect Jedi to Jewish...

Nov 29, 2014#65

CynicismKills

Would a Sith also be a Heartless?

Nov 29, 2014#66

aaronmocksing

@Li3n said:
...and it's "The Force Awakens"!

I tihnk we can all agree, Lucas might have sucked at writing dialogue, political intrigue and needed an editor that could say NO to him more then anything, but damn, he knew how to title stuff.

lol, well... I guess it's better than

Luke v. Vader Day of the Force

Nov 29, 2014#67

Mathias

I though the Claymore saber was pretty cool, but I suppose I'm not the typical Star Wars fan that hates everything they see in a 30 second trailer with 10 seconds of footage. Star Wars fans are the weirdest fucking group on Earth.

Nov 29, 2014#68

GasBandit

Mathias said:
I though the Claymore saber was pretty cool, but I suppose I'm not the typical Star Wars fan that hates everything they see in a 30 second trailer with 10 seconds of footage. Star Wars fans are the weirdest fucking group on Earth.

How much time have you spent talking to Trekkies?

Nov 29, 2014#69

Frank

CynicismKills said:
FOR TH' EMPRAH

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Nov 30, 2014#70

Mathias

GasBandit said:
How much time have you spent talking to Trekkies?

Star Trek is a little more grounded in reality in terms of physics, politics, etc... I can kinda understand nitpicking from those angles. Star Wars is a soap opera, which in my mind is allowed to take liberties with flash over substance. The origin of the light saber, for example, is that it just looks cool. That's it. That's the only reason they exist - they look cool. The original movie is full of this stuff. George Lucas just made shit up for the sake of flashy gimmicks in the vein of Flash Gordon. Star Trek takes a more practical approach and is therefore open to more critique in regards to, say, phaser design.

Nov 30, 2014#71

blotsfan

I laughed

Nov 30, 2014#72

GasBandit

Mathias said:
Star Trek is a little more grounded in reality in terms of physics, politics, etc... I can kinda understand nitpicking from those angles. Star Wars is a soap opera, which in my mind is allowed to take liberties with flash over substance. The origin of the light saber, for example, is that it just looks cool. That's it. That's the only reason they exist - they look cool. The original movie is full of this stuff. George Lucas just made shit up for the sake of flashy gimmicks in the vein of Flash Gordon. Star Trek takes a more practical approach and is therefore open to more critique in regards to, say, phaser design.

Yes, but I wasn't talking about the show, I was talking about the fans.

You ever go to a star trek con?

Nov 30, 2014#73

GasBandit

Nov 30, 2014#74

Mathias

GasBandit said:
Yes, but I wasn't talking about the show, I was talking about the fans.

You ever go to a star trek con?

Nope. They hate Gene as much as Star Wars fans hate Lucas?

Nov 30, 2014#75

GasBandit

Mathias said:
Nope. They hate Gene as much as Star Wars fans hate Lucas?

Not specifically - Roddenberry died during TNG, after all. But you'll not find a wierder, more unsettling sci-fi fandom of such caliber. It's hard to describe to someone who hasn't witnessed it.

Nov 30, 2014#76

AshburnerX

Mathias said:
Nope. They hate Gene as much as Star Wars fans hate Lucas?

It's hard to hate a starry eyed idealist, especially considering he's been dead for 20+ years. But the fandom is divided on seasons before and after his death: some think that the idealism in TNG and classic is truer to Gene's vision and thus more worthy of consideration, while others think the darkness in Voyager, Enterprise, and especially DS9 feels a bit closer to how things would actually play out. It honestly boils down to if you think Gene was right that science and technology could redeem mankind or that it would simply make it easier to oppress and control.

About the only thing Trekkies CAN agree on is that your life gets markedly shittier that farther from Earth you get.

Nov 30, 2014#77

Mathias

AshburnerX said:
It's hard to hate a starry eyed idealist, especially considering he's been dead for 20+ years. But the fandom is divided on seasons before and after his death: some think that the idealism in TNG and classic is truer to Gene's vision and thus more worthy of consideration, while others think the darkness in Voyager, Enterprise, and especially DS9 feels a bit closer to how things would actually play out. It honestly boils down to if you think Gene was right that science and technology could redeem mankind or that it would simply make it easier to oppress and control.

About the only thing Trekkies CAN agree on is that your life gets markedly shittier that farther from Earth you get.

I agree with the dark camp. Idealistic crap is boring.

Nov 30, 2014#78

AshburnerX

Mathias said:
I agree with the dark camp. Idealistic crap is boring.

I think DS9 works because it has both it's idealist and realist moments. Sisko is the man for the job out there because he's pragmatic enough to get things done, but also because he has moments of doubt if he's doing the right thing. Worf is basically the only Klingon of note that actually believes in the virtue of Empire... but it's only because he wasn't born and raised in it, so he's not jaded by it's politics. O'Brien can't sleep at night because of the shit he did during the Cardassian War, but he's also the most well meaning character on the station. Even Quark has his limits when it comes to his pursuit of profit because he knows latinum is worthless if you can't live with what you did to get it.

Honestly, it's probably the best series.

Nov 30, 2014#79

bhamv3

AshburnerX said:
I think DS9 works because it has both it's idealist and realist moments. Sisko is the man for the job out there because he's pragmatic enough to get things done, but also because he has moments of doubt if he's doing the right thing. Worf is basically the only Klingon of note that actually believes in the virtue of Empire... but it's only because he wasn't born and raised in it, so he's not jaded by it's politics. O'Brien can't sleep at night because of the shit he did during the Cardassian War, but he's also the most well meaning character on the station. Even Quark has his limits when it comes to his pursuit of profit because he knows latinum is worthless if you can't live with what you did to get it.

Honestly, it's probably the best series.

"At oh-eight-hundred hours, station time... the Romulan Empire formally declared war against the Dominion. They've already struck fifteen bases along the Cardassian border. So, this is a huge victory for the good guys! This may even be the turning point of the entire war! There's even a "Welcome to the Fight" party tonight in the wardroom!... So... I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover up the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But most damning of all... I think I can live with it... And if I had to do it all over again... I would. Garak was right about one thing – a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it...Because I can live with it...I can live with it. Computer – erase that entire personal log."

Nov 30, 2014#80

AshburnerX

The only reason that line works is because he has to affirm it to himself. Twice. He did wrong... and while he's not okay with the fact that he couldn't live up to his own standards, he'll suffer through it because worse things would happen if he didn't.

Fuck man... I need to read the new novels.

Nov 30, 2014#81

figmentPez

Mathias said:
I though the Claymore saber was pretty cool, but I suppose I'm not the typical Star Wars fan that hates everything they see in a 30 second trailer with 10 seconds of footage. Star Wars fans are the weirdest fucking group on Earth.

I'm torn on the claymore saber. On one hand, I like the idea of a bigger "heavier" lightsaber, and a different style of combat. On the other hand, a claymore doesn't have blades as it's hilt. The concept of a guard there could have been done in a different fashion, and it would have appealed to me without reservation.

Nov 30, 2014#82

bhamv3

I get the feeling that the crossguard on that lightsaber is meant to be used in an offensive manner, instead of protecting the wielder's hand like a traditional crossguard. For example, imagine if the user locks blades with an opponent. The smaller blades near the hilt can be maneuvered to strike the opponent's torso.

I also feel like pointing out that the blade is red, and thus the wielder is likely a Sith, or at least a dark side Force user. And dark siders have a tradition of favoring innovative lightsaber designs (the double-bladed lightsaber wielded by Darth Maul and Exar Kun, Darth Vader's dual-phase lightsaber, Luminya's lightwhip, Count Dooku's curved hilt lightsaber, and a whole bunch of others). In contrast to the straight-and-narrow philosophy of the Jedi, the Sith are willing to embrace power wherever it may be found.

Nov 30, 2014#83

Terrik

AshburnerX said:
I think DS9 works because it has both it's idealist and realist moments. Sisko is the man for the job out there because he's pragmatic enough to get things done, but also because he has moments of doubt if he's doing the right thing. Worf is basically the only Klingon of note that actually believes in the virtue of Empire... but it's only because he wasn't born and raised in it, so he's not jaded by it's politics. O'Brien can't sleep at night because of the shit he did during the Cardassian War, but he's also the most well meaning character on the station. Even Quark has his limits when it comes to his pursuit of profit because he knows latinum is worthless if you can't live with what you did to get it.

Honestly, it's probably the best series.

I recently rewatched all of TNG, remembered why I loved it, and rewatched all of DS9. Just finished the last episode this evening. Now I remember why I loved DS9 more.

Comparing the two, it's like getting on one of those pirate ship rides at an amusement park. You get your thrills and scream a little when you're hanging upside down. It's all good fun. Then you get on a real pirate ship, the ride attendants all turn into grizzled men with beards and an assortment of missing limbs and you find yourself choking on a pipe full of tobacco.

Nov 30, 2014#84

Cheesy1

Dec 1, 2014#85

ScytheRexx

figmentPez said:
I'm torn on the claymore saber. On one hand, I like the idea of a bigger "heavier" lightsaber, and a different style of combat. On the other hand, a claymore doesn't have blades as it's hilt. The concept of a guard there could have been done in a different fashion, and it would have appealed to me without reservation.

A regular claymore isn't made of plasma though. The reason a claymore does not have blades on the guard is because metal in general will stop any sword strike, regardless how sharp it is. When it comes to plasma though, what use is a guard if the blade itself slices through it like a knife through butter?

The only consistent thing shown to block or deflect lightsaber energy is other lightsabers, thus it makes sense the crossguard itself would be composed of that energy.

Dec 1, 2014#86

figmentPez

ScytheRexx said:
A regular claymore isn't made of plasma though. The reason a claymore does not have blades on the guard is because metal in general will stop any sword strike, regardless how sharp it is. When it comes to plasma though, what use is a guard if the blade itself slices through it like a knife through butter?

The only consistent thing shown to block or deflect lightsaber energy is other lightsabers, thus it makes sense the crossguard itself would be composed of that energy.

First off, look at the hilt, at the cross of the blade and the hilt is not an intersection of containment field filled with plasma, but a fair amount of hilt material. Any blade sliding down to the hilt will be hitting metal, not saber.

Second, there are other things that consistently block lightsaber energy. Most notably an Electrostaff, which were built for fighting Jedi.

Third, it's fiction. How do you kill a vampire? However the author wants. How do you build a hilt that can block a lightsaber, but isn't a lightsaber? Whatever the author wants to invent. This is a chance for a new thing, a chance for a fun new addition to canon. Rather than just throw more blades on it, you could have a cool new glowing effect of some energy field that blocks lightsabers. A chance for the audience to go "wow, I know that's a lightsaber, but what on earth is going on with the cross-guard?", rather than "three blades, really?" Hell, make it a sword-breaking hilt while you're at it. Why just block a blow when you could snap off your opponents blade (or, in this case, short circuit the weapon somehow)? Lots of wasted potential there, going with just more blades, if you ask me.

Dec 1, 2014#87

Mathias

I'll say it again: it looks cool > function.

but...

As for the use as a guard being used defensively, it's possible that the metal nubs as part of the guard are merely there to protect the wielder of the saber. The plasma could be split three ways by a crystal or some shit at the end of the hilt. So if a light saber did slide down to the guard, the metal nubs would get damaged but the plasma underneath would still function to block it.

Personally I like the theory that it's an ancient light saber because of the crude looking blade, and the hilt guards are exhaust ports of somekind.

Dec 1, 2014#88

figmentPez

Mathias said:
I'll say it again: it looks cool > function.

Personally, I don't think it looks cool. The idea of a different style of combat is cool, but the trailer didn't show any of that. It just showed moar bladezz, which I'm not impressed by. It's not bad, or stupid, it's just bland to me. Especially when it could have been so much more.

Dec 1, 2014#89

ScytheRexx

figmentPez said:
Second, there are other things that consistently block lightsaber energy. Most notably an Electrostaff, which were built for fighting Jedi.

When has an Electrostaff been shown in the movies to actually fully block a lightsaber? Even the one Obi-Wan used in the Clone Wars cartoon was cut into pieces by General Grievous' Lightsaber, so it can't be that resistant. The metal parts on the cross guard don't prevent the plasma underneath from defending, since it's likely still plasma coming out of the main hilt, just being redirected. That might even be why it's slightly flickering, since it's straining a bit more to hold the blade and both guard points.

I didn't say the design was a good idea, I just wanted to explain why the design likely happened. In the movies the only thing that has ever been shown to consistently block a Lightsaber has been another Lightsaber. We have never seen any other supposed "resistant" material hold up to such scrutiny outside of maybe the EU, which Disney said was dropped in favor of their own continuation. Yes they could have just made up something, but then SW nerds would still argue about it.

Dec 1, 2014#90

GasBandit

Lucas has said before that EU/books/videogames/TV shows aren't canon... so that kinda torpedoes all the points about mandalorian iron/cortosis weave/etc. That said, there have been times in the movies that lightsabers haven't cut through something - rather they just really badly scorched the outside. The things in quesion - various walls and floors they contacted.

For example, observe this part of episode 3, where Grievous' spinning light sabers score the hell out of the floor but aren't actually cutting it.

But then that begs the question - if the crossguard emitters are made out of some mystery substance that blocks lightsaber blades, why even have plasma emitters at all?

I'm more prone to chalk this one up to the same "my kids thought this would be cool" motivation/process that brought us so much of the hurting in episode 1.

Dec 1, 2014#91

bhamv3

ScytheRexx said:
When has an Electrostaff been shown in the movies to actually fully block a lightsaber?

From 0:12 onwards:

Dec 1, 2014#92

ScytheRexx

GasBandit said:
That said, there have been times in the movies that lightsabers haven't cut through something - rather they just really badly scorched the outside. The things in quesion - various walls and floors they contacted.

That has always been the case though. It would be impractical to have the lightsaber cut into walls and floors unless it was plot relevant. Even the original trilogy you had points where they are fighting it out, get close to a wall, and instead of cutting anything on the wall, sparks just fly all over the place.

When it's plot relevant though, they can, like in Episode 1 when they use the lightsabers to cut and melt through the blast doors.[DOUBLEPOST=1417446561,1417446244][/DOUBLEPOST]

bhamv3 said:
From 0:12 onwards:

It does make you wonder though. The Electrostaff seems to have a current of some sort of energy running through it from one side to the other and that electricity seems to flare up when in contact with the lightsaber. Is the metal itself actually stopping the attacks, or some sort of energy shielding?

Dec 1, 2014#93

GasBandit

The explanation I've read for why lightsabers block lightsabers is because it's the plasma arc of one lightsaber contacting the other saber's containment shield (which is also why lightsabers reflect energy weapon bolts). Perhaps the electrostaff uses a similar force field to confine the range of the discharge.

Dec 1, 2014#94

ScytheRexx

GasBandit said:
The explanation I've read for why lightsabers block lightsabers is because it's the plasma arc of one lightsaber contacting the other saber's containment shield (which is also why lightsabers reflect energy weapon bolts). Perhaps the electrostaff uses a similar force field to confine the range of the discharge.

If that is the case, then it does make it a bit more silly, since why can't you just apply a containment shield over another object on the hilt? Maybe it's designed only to apply over plasma?

Dec 1, 2014#95

GasBandit

ScytheRexx said:
If that is the case, then it does make it a bit more silly, since why can't you just apply a containment shield over another object on the hilt? Maybe it's designed only to apply over plasma?

I said something to that effect, over in the other thread.

The answer is, "because it looks cool," I'm sure.

90% of star wars shit is just shit that looks cool and has an after-the-fact rationalization for why it has to do that.

Hell, neither Lucasfilm nor the fanbase can make up their minds about whether the sides of TIE fighters are solar panels or heat radiators.

Dec 1, 2014#96

Tinwhistler

ITT: Some people take things way too seriously

Dec 1, 2014#97

GasBandit

I mean, heck, we're talking about a series that applies atmospheric flight paradigms to vacuum. All the ships only have great big thrusters on the back, but to maneuver the way they do, they'd need equally large thrusters pointing in all directions. And it also invokes the holiest of old soft sci-fi tropes, the "constant thrust=constant speed" spaceflight fallacy. But I'm sure there's some paper-thin-plausible imaginary magitek device that keeps the ships moving the direction they point, and slow down when you kill the engines.

Dec 1, 2014#98

figmentPez

bhamv3 said:
From 0:12 onwards:

That's one of the sequences I was thinking of. There are also sequences in the Clone Wars animated series. Although I didn't realize those weren't canon, I don't care. The idea exists and is out there, to be used by writers.

ScytheRexx said:
If that is the case, then it does make it a bit more silly, since why can't you just apply a containment shield over another object on the hilt? Maybe it's designed only to apply over plasma?

ScytheRexx said:
It does make you wonder though. The Electrostaff seems to have a current of some sort of energy running through it from one side to the other and that electricity seems to flare up when in contact with the lightsaber. Is the metal itself actually stopping the attacks, or some sort of energy shielding?

Which leads me back to my point: This is a chance to do something new, and leave audiences wondering. Come up with a shiny effect to extend out at the hilt, something that's not a lightsaber blade. Show that in the trailer and you've presented a mystery for fans to speculate about; a reason to come see the film. As it is, we just got more of the same. While that works, because die-hard fans will always want more of the same, I think it could have been more.

To me it doesn't matter if you can justify some in-canon reason for the hilt-blades. I don't think it's a cool image, in and of itself (though it could lead to some fun fight choreography), and I think so much more could have been done with the concept of a cross-guard on a lightsaber.

Dec 1, 2014#99

GasBandit

Dec 1, 2014#100

SpecialKO

Didn't Disney specifically say that the TV shows are canon? I could swear I saw that somewhere...

Dec 1, 2014#101

ScytheRexx

SpecialKO said:
Didn't Disney specifically say that the TV shows are canon? I could swear I saw that somewhere...

Anything considered in the EU isn't canon. I don't know if they ever mentioned the TV shows, but I wouldn't be surprised if they at least made Clone Wars a canon series. The new one, Rebels, is supposed to be canon, and people are pretty sure one of the characters from that show is appearing in the movie. (It's rumored the black stormtrooper shown near the beginning is Zare Leonis from the recent episode Breaking Rank)

Dec 1, 2014#102

CynicismKills

SpecialKO said:
Didn't Disney specifically say that the TV shows are canon? I could swear I saw that somewhere...

From what I understand the Clone Wars show and movie (CGI, not Genndy), and now Rebels, are canon. EU stuff like books/games/etc aren't.

Also, I still think Grievous was a huge fucking waste in most of his fights. A Sith with four Goddamned arms that used the sabers of Jedi he'd killed and 90% of the time he plays helicopter or runs away like a giant baby. I'm amazed he even had any Jedi sabers to begin with. To me Grievous is the epitome of stupid lightsaber stuff.

Dec 1, 2014#103

ScytheRexx

CynicismKills said:
Also, I still think Grievous was a huge fucking waste in most of his fights. A Sith with four Goddamned arms that used the sabers of Jedi he'd killed and 90% of the time he plays helicopter or runs away like a giant baby. I'm amazed he even had any Jedi sabers to begin with. To me Grievous is the epitome of stupid lightsaber stuff.

It's sad, because the animated clone wars series (Not the CGI one) made him an utter badass. Then they just had Mace Windu crush his frame at the end, which was supposed to be what weakened him and made him the coughing troll that appeared in the movie.

Dec 1, 2014#104

AshburnerX

ScytheRexx said:
Anything considered in the EU isn't canon. I don't know if they ever mentioned the TV shows, but I wouldn't be surprised if they at least made Clone Wars a canon series. The new one, Rebels, is supposed to be canon, and people are pretty sure one of the characters from that show is appearing in the movie. (It's rumored the black stormtrooper shown near the beginning is Zare Leonis from the recent episode Breaking Rank)

The official stance on continuity is that everything is canon unless the movies contradict it. Disney only changed it to include the new TV show as well.

Dec 1, 2014#105

sixpackshaker

I can not stand all the supposed internet anger over a black storm trooper. Most likely he is doing the steal the perfectly fitting uniform from a dead trooper motif.

Dec 1, 2014#106

Frank

I'd imagine, you know, that by the time that Episode 7 happens, it's been 60 God damn years since the Clone Wars. Storm Troopers are probably just regular soldiers at that point.

Dec 1, 2014#107

AshburnerX

Frank said:
I'd imagine, you know, that by the time that Episode 7 happens, it's been 60 God damn years since the Clone Wars. Storm Troopers are probably just regular soldiers at that point.

They are. The Empire is very much a human centric regime, but even then there are distinctions: virtually all officers are white people with British accents. That black guy is a full Imperial citizen with rights privileges... it's just that he gets the shit jobs because he's not white or upper class. He's still treated better than just about any alien however... even the Chiss (who didn't fight the Empire and instead joined up almost instantly), who can actually become officers, are treated like shit.

Dec 1, 2014#108

ScytheRexx

sixpackshaker said:
I can not stand all the supposed internet anger over a black storm trooper. Most likely he is doing the steal the perfectly fitting uniform from a dead trooper motif.

If it is the character Zare Leonis, then he would be an official Stormtrooper as he went through academy training, but would be working undercover with the rebels. Likely in the future, even though the empire has been broken, he may still be working undercover with the new government to take down whatever remains of the Imperials. Again, assuming the guy in the teaser is Zare.

Dec 1, 2014#109

Ravenpoe

CynicismKills said:
From what I understand the Clone Wars show and movie (CGI, not Genndy), and now Rebels, are canon. EU stuff like books/games/etc aren't.

Also, I still think Grievous was a huge fucking waste in most of his fights. A Sith with four Goddamned arms that used the sabers of Jedi he'd killed and 90% of the time he plays helicopter or runs away like a giant baby. I'm amazed he even had any Jedi sabers to begin with. To me Grievous is the epitome of stupid lightsaber stuff.

Grievous wasn't a Sith, he did not have any force capabilities.[DOUBLEPOST=1417461824,1417461540][/DOUBLEPOST]

sixpackshaker said:
I can not stand all the supposed internet anger over a black storm trooper. Most likely he is doing the steal the perfectly fitting uniform from a dead trooper motif.

Oh, I see how it is. Just because he's black, he must have stolen that armor. That's racist. :troll:

Dec 1, 2014#110

GasBandit

Dec 1, 2014#111

Sparhawk

AshburnerX said:
The official stance on continuity is that everything is canon unless the movies contradict it. Disney only changed it to include the new TV show as well.

Here's the relevant point from the Star Wars wiki:

"On April 25, 2014, Lucasfilm Ltd. announced that in preparation for the upcoming sequel trilogy, the Expanded Universe would not appear in any future Star Wars materials; past tales of the Expanded Universe will be printed under the Star Wars Legends banner, and a new continuity has been established that consists only of the original six films, the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film, and all future material from that point onward. Though past elements of the Expanded Universe have been declared non-canon as a whole, they remain a resource for future Star Wars material to reference elements of the EU, thus bringing these elements into the new continuity as canon."

Dec 1, 2014#112

Reverent-one

Sparhawk said:
Here's the relevant point from the Star Wars wiki:

"On April 25, 2014, Lucasfilm Ltd. announced that in preparation for the upcoming sequel trilogy, the Expanded Universe would not appear in any future Star Wars materials; past tales of the Expanded Universe will be printed under the Star Wars Legends banner, and a new continuity has been established that consists only of the original six films, the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film, and all future material from that point onward. Though past elements of the Expanded Universe have been declared non-canon as a whole, they remain a resource for future Star Wars material to reference elements of the EU, thus bringing these elements into the new continuity as canon."

Yeah, what's interesting and slightly non-obvious is that all future books and other EU materials are actually more canon (as much as that makes sense) now than under the old system, where they were relegated to a lower canon "tier". It's just the pre-existing material (minus the Clone wars tv show) that's being tossed out.

Dec 1, 2014#113

PatrThom

I think this is my new favorite:

--Patrick

Dec 1, 2014#114

GasBandit

THE HORSE AWAKENS

Dec 1, 2014#115

PatrThom

...or not.
I mean, unless the horse is supposed to be a messianic figure in the new parts of the mythos.

--Patrick

Dec 1, 2014#116

GasBandit

Turns out the teaser trailer was incomplete, and lacking some effects. Here's the version JJ Abrams MEANT to have released.

Dec 2, 2014#117

SpecialKO

Fake. Not enough flare.

Dec 2, 2014#118

GasBandit

Dec 2, 2014#119

sixpackshaker

Dec 2, 2014#120

Bowielee

Frank said:
I'd imagine, you know, that by the time that Episode 7 happens, it's been 60 God damn years since the Clone Wars. Storm Troopers are probably just regular soldiers at that point.

Didn't the clones have an accelerated lifespan anyway? The Jango clones would be LONG dead at this point, and I'm pretty sure the orig trig mentions recruitment of Storm Troopers at some point.

Why would the empire continue to invest in expensive clones when they can just recruit? Probably the same reason that they don't use robot armies anymore.

Dec 2, 2014#121

ScytheRexx

Bowielee said:
Didn't the clones have an accelerated lifespan anyway? The Jango clones would be LONG dead at this point, and I'm pretty sure the orig trig mentions recruitment of Storm Troopers at some point.

When you think about it, Han Solo and Luke taking the Stormtrooper outfits and trying to sneak into the Death Star would have been impossible if they were just all "Jango" clones, not just because of size differences in the outfits, but also because you would never be able to disguise your voice. I don't get why everyone thinks all the Stormtroopers are Jango clones now.

Dec 2, 2014#122

GasBandit

ScytheRexx said:
When you think about it, Han Solo and Luke taking the Stormtrooper outfits and trying to sneak into the Death Star would have been impossible if they were just all "Jango" clones, not just because of size differences in the outfits, but also because you would never be able to disguise your voice. I don't get why everyone thinks all the Stormtroopers are Jango clones now.

Because the movie where they were all clones came out more recently, and a great many fans are johnny-come-lately posers/casuals who only go by the movies and their headcanon, without double checking wookiepedia, much less actually consuming any other content.

Dec 2, 2014#123

AshburnerX

Bowielee said:
Didn't the clones have an accelerated lifespan anyway? The Jango clones would be LONG dead at this point, and I'm pretty sure the orig trig mentions recruitment of Storm Troopers at some point.

Why would the empire continue to invest in expensive clones when they can just recruit? Probably the same reason that they don't use robot armies anymore.

They don't use robot armies because droids are much more likely to disobey an order than a clone is and it's fairly simple to alter a droid's programing to make it fight for you. But clones are also quite expensive when you are trying to expand an empire.. so after awhile, all you can afford to do is recruit locally and ship arms.

This is also why TIE Fighters don't get atmosphere or shields: the Empire needs to make many of them but the likely hood of survival for their missions is low, so they did a cost benefit analysis... which told them it would be cheaper to integrate all life support into cheap flight suits. As for shields... well, only fresh rookies get TIE fighter jobs. Shields go to guys who have proven their worth, which is why they get Advanced, Defenders, Gunboats, Missile boats, or Interceptors.

Dec 2, 2014#124

GasBandit

(interceptors don't have shields)

Also, are Defenders and gunboats canon? Did they even appear outside of the X-Wing/TIE Fighter games?

Dec 2, 2014#125

SpecialKO

They've appeared in a lot of games and as a LEGO toy, but nothing that is clearly canonical.

Dec 2, 2014#126

AshburnerX

GasBandit said:
(interceptors don't have shields)

Also, are Defenders and gunboats canon? Did they even appear outside of the X-Wing/TIE Fighter games?

Canon is kind of weird. I know the DEFENDER got an official LEGO set in 2010, so it's likely. It's also had several comic and novel appearances, as well as a mention in the 2014 Fantasy Flight Age of Rebellion core rules. It's not been on TV or in the Movies, but we only JUST got a TIE Advanced confirmed if we go by that.

Dec 2, 2014#127

GasBandit

AshburnerX said:
Canon is kind of weird. I know the DEFENDER got an official LEGO set in 2010, so it's likely. It's also had several comic and novel appearances, as well as a mention in the 2014 Fantasy Flight Age of Rebellion core rules. It's not been on TV or in the Movies, but we only JUST got a TIE Advanced confirmed if we go by that.

There were TIE interceptors and bombers on screen during the Battle of Endor, and Bombers were used to try to flush the millenium falcon out of the asteroid field after the battle of Hoth. the Defender and the Avenger (the production model of the Advanced) are the only TIEs of dubious canonical value, and I don't think I've seen a gunboat or missile boat anywhere other than the games.

It seems crazy to me that the A-Wing and even the dumb B-wing are canon but the TIE Defender is in limbo.

Dec 2, 2014#128

SpecialKO

There were Bombers in Empire, too.

Dec 2, 2014#129

GasBandit

SpecialKO said:
There were Bombers in Empire, too.

I remembered that right after I hit submit and went back in to edit and add it.

Dec 2, 2014#130

AshburnerX

GasBandit said:
There were TIE interceptors and bombers on screen during the Battle of Endor, and Bombers were used to try to flush the millenium falcon out of the asteroid field after the battle of Hoth. the Defender and the Avenger (the production model of the Advanced) are the only TIEs of dubious canonical value, and I don't think I've seen a gunboat or missile boat anywhere other than the games.

TIE Oppressors as well. Gunboats don't get a lot of love anywhere, not even in the novels.

Dec 2, 2014#131

GasBandit

AshburnerX said:
TIE Oppressors as well. Gunboats don't get a lot of love anywhere, not even in the novels.

To be fair, they were pretty shitty even in the game. The gunboat missions were a chore you had to get through to earn your Advanced.

Dec 2, 2014#132

Frank

B-Wings are sweet. Shut your whore mouth.

Dec 2, 2014#133

GasBandit

Frank said:
B-Wings are sweet. Shut your whore mouth.

The B-Wing is the scrappy-doo of the alliance fleet.

Dec 2, 2014#134

Hailey Knight

Why is it still Empire vs Rebels? Can anyone tell me? It's been 30 years since what was supposed to be the big victory, so why in a universe this diverse has nothing changed?

Dec 2, 2014#135

Bowielee

Zero Esc said:
Why is it still Empire vs Rebels? Can anyone tell me? It's been 30 years since what was supposed to be the big victory, so why in a universe this diverse has nothing changed?

Just because you overthrow a dictator doesn't mean the whole regime crumbles.

See: the middle east.

Dec 2, 2014#136

Chad Sexington

Dec 2, 2014#137

AshburnerX

What they said. The Empire was vast and the Imperial Remnants are still pretty dangerous. Blowing up the second Death Star and killing the Emperor only turned the tide... now the Republic (it's not a Rebellion anymore) have serious manufacturing capability and soldiers, but they still have enemies.

Dec 2, 2014#138

Hailey Knight

Dec 2, 2014#139

SpecialKO

I just realized that "The New Republic" as a concept isn't actually canonical, though still implied.

Gosh, that feels weird.

Dec 2, 2014#140

Ravenpoe

Maybe the remnants of the empire are now the good guy plucky underdogs, and the new republic has grown into a corrupt entity oppressing the galaxy.

I mean, the Emperor and his direct lieutenants were evil, but that doesn't mean all of the empire was, right? There had to be some guys that thought they were bringing order to the galaxy, and didn't know about all the planet exploding and force choking.

Dec 3, 2014#141

tegid

We discussed that as a cool possibility with some friends yesterday. My opinion was that it's too soon: If Leia, Luke et al are still alive, it's anticlimatic to have their legacy turned around already. That would be for a later generation still, I think.

Dec 3, 2014#142

Chad Sexington

Zero Esc said:

Right, that's... questionable in and of itself since revolutions are hardly so immediate...

But surely the whole fleet of Imperial ships, run by the military, were like "Well. I guess we don't exist now. HURRAY."

Dec 3, 2014#143

Ravenpoe

Zero Esc said:

Damnit Hayden Christensen, stay in your own damn movies!

Dec 3, 2014#144

Hailey Knight

Chad Sexington said:
Right, that's... questionable in and of itself since revolutions are hardly so immediate...

But surely the whole fleet of Imperial ships, run by the military, were like "Well. I guess we don't exist now. HURRAY."

Indeed, and if this movie took place immediately after Return, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

I'm less overall concerned with the realism of breaking down an empire and more with that this is a new trilogy and, like the prequel trilogy, it's still just leeching off the original trilogy. When this project was announced, and it wasn't going to have George Lucas attached, I had hopes this would be about new stuff, that the narrative could wash its hands of the empire and rebellion. Instead, nothing's changed.

Dec 3, 2014#145

Terrik

Zero Esc said:
Indeed, and if this movie took place immediately after Return, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

I'm less overall concerned with the realism of breaking down an empire and more with that this is a new trilogy and, like the prequel trilogy, it's still just leeching off the original trilogy. When this project was announced, and it wasn't going to have George Lucas attached, I had hopes this would be about new stuff, that the narrative could wash its hands of the empire and rebellion. Instead, nothing's changed.

Do we know nothing's changed? Did someone discuss the plot somewhere?

Although....I guess based off Disney's "Star Wars: Rebel" series, you're probably right.

Dec 3, 2014#146

evilmike

Stephen Colbert has a few thoughts about lightsaber design:

Dec 3, 2014#147

CynicismKills

Someone should tell Colbert that Bill Corbett was making fun of people who whined like babies about the saber. Satire writers do that, especially ones that worked on MST3K and now Rifftrax (he was Crow T. Robot/Brain Guy).

Dec 3, 2014#148

AshburnerX

Terrik said:
Although....I guess based off Disney's "Star Wars: Rebel" series, you're probably right.

Rebels takes place before the original three movies... but it exists mostly to get young kids (who might not have seen the original movies yet) interested in the new ones. I can't fault Disney too much over that, though I want them to put out SOMETHING that deals with the fates of Ashara Ventress and Asoka, as they teamed up when Asoka left the order in the finale of Clone Wars (which is apparently still canon according to Disney) and we haven't shit from them since.

Dec 3, 2014#149

Chad Sexington

CynicismKills said:
Someone should tell Colbert that Bill Corbett was making fun of people who whined like babies about the saber. Satire writers do that, especially ones that worked on MST3K and now Rifftrax (he was Crow T. Robot/Brain Guy).

He might know that; it makes for a funny bit. Plus it fits the Colbert character's persona as ignorant and only capable of seeing the world the way he imagines it is.

Dec 3, 2014#150

AshburnerX

Chad Sexington said:
He might know that; it makes for a funny bit. Plus it fits the Colbert character's persona as ignorant and only capable of seeing the world the way he imagines it is.

It also fits the Colbert real-life persona where he's a TOTAL NERD about LOTR and Star Wars. He's clearly one of us at the very least.

Dec 3, 2014#151

@Li3n

Holy crap, what wrong with you George Lucas: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Moraband#Behind_the_scenes

Zero Esc said:
Indeed, and if this movie took place immediately after Return, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

I'm less overall concerned with the realism of breaking down an empire and more with that this is a new trilogy and, like the prequel trilogy, it's still just leeching off the original trilogy. When this project was announced, and it wasn't going to have George Lucas attached, I had hopes this would be about new stuff, that the narrative could wash its hands of the empire and rebellion. Instead, nothing's changed.

Well as i recall "the empire's last hurrah" was what jump started the EU back in the 90's, wasn't it (Thrawn and all that)?

So getting something like that in film form makes sense.

I mean it's better then having extra-galactic masochists that are immune to the Force invade all of a sudden.

Dec 3, 2014#152

Ravenpoe

@Li3n said:
Holy crap, what wrong with you George Lucas: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Moraband#Behind_the_scenes

Wait... he just straight up changed the name of Korriban? Can he do that? I realize it was his story, but... you can't just change a name and not expect anyone to notice.

Dec 3, 2014#153

Terrik

nerd rage is appropriate here.

Dec 3, 2014#154

SpecialKO

Seriously? That's the kind of thing he's going to go to bat for?

Dec 3, 2014#155

GasBandit

Ravenpoe said:
Wait... he just straight up changed the name of Korriban? Can he do that? I realize it was his story, but... you can't just change a name and not expect anyone to notice.

You remember what he did with Han and Greedo, right?

Dec 3, 2014#156

Bowielee

Is changing something that appeared only in the EU really worth getting upset for? While Lucas may have given tacit approval of the EU as canon, that doesn't mean he can't change it on a whim in the official canon. I don't think a single letter is worth getting worked up over.

Dec 3, 2014#157

AshburnerX

Honestly, I'm just going to treat it the same way we do with renamed countries: it's both, but only one is currently in use. It's not like we've seen a depiction of Korriban that wasn't over 500 years before the movie to begin with.

Dec 3, 2014#158

figmentPez

Terrik said:
nerd rage is appropriate here.

Not nearly as appropriate as over the fact that he wants to put Jizz in your ear.

Dec 3, 2014#159

GasBandit

figmentPez said:
Not nearly as appropriate as over the fact that he wants to put Jizz in your ear.

Dec 3, 2014#160

Null

Ravenpoe said:
Maybe the remnants of the empire are now the good guy plucky underdogs, and the new republic has grown into a corrupt entity oppressing the galaxy.

I mean, the Emperor and his direct lieutenants were evil, but that doesn't mean all of the empire was, right? There had to be some guys that thought they were bringing order to the galaxy, and didn't know about all the planet exploding and force choking.

Read Timothy Zahn's "Allegiance" - takes place between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. The major plot is about Stormtroopers with consciences.

Dec 4, 2014#161

fade

GasBandit said:

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Dec 4, 2014#162

GasBandit

fade said:
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You know damn good and well.

Dec 4, 2014#163

PatrThom

Why does that webm image never load for me? I just get the poster frame and then endless buffering anim.

--Patrick

Dec 4, 2014#164

GasBandit

PatrThom said:
Why does that webm image never load for me? I just get the poster frame and then endless buffering anim.

--Patrick

You running any other kind of script interceptor besides adblock?

Dec 4, 2014#165

Ravenpoe

GasBandit said:
You running any other kind of script interceptor besides adblock?

Also, as far as I can tell, firefox has some issues with webm's, like not wanting to load them, and not automatically looping.

Dec 4, 2014#166

GasBandit

Ravenpoe said:
Also, as far as I can tell, firefox has some issues with webm's, like not wanting to load them, and not automatically looping.

Hrm, I use firefox at work and don't seem to have that problem.

Dec 4, 2014#167

@Li3n

Bowielee said:
Is changing something that appeared only in the EU really worth getting upset for? While Lucas may have given tacit approval of the EU as canon, that doesn't mean he can't change it on a whim in the official canon. I don't think a single letter is worth getting worked up over.

It is when you replace and awesome name with what sounds like "More-a-band" because you think making it sound like Moribund is clever.

And the funny thing is that when i saw that episode i never made the connection about changing the name, even though i was wondering why it had all those Sith tombs that reminded me of some of the best parts of KotOR...

Dec 4, 2014#168

AshburnerX

@Li3n said:
It is when you replace and awesome name with what sounds like "More-a-band" because you think making it sound like Moribund is clever.

And the funny thing is that when i saw that episode i never made the connection about changing the name, even though i was wondering why it had all those Sith tombs that reminded me of some of the best parts of KotOR...

That episode was supposed to have Darth Revan but it got nixxed.

Dec 4, 2014#169

blotsfan

@Li3n said:
And the funny thing is that when i saw that episode i never made the connection about changing the name, even though i was wondering why it had all those Sith tombs that reminded me of some of the best parts of KotOR...

Well NOW I guess I have to go replay KOTOR again. Thanks a lot, jerk.

Dec 4, 2014#170

Ravenpoe

AshburnerX said:
That episode was supposed to have Darth Revan but it got nixxed.

Well then everything about that episode is just lies and disappointment.

Dec 4, 2014#171

PatrThom

GasBandit said:
You running any other kind of script interceptor besides adblock?

Yes.
Just tried it from work and it seems to be ok, so must be something with the home browser, potentially Disconnect.

--Patrick

Dec 4, 2014#172

jwhouk

I'm getting nothing as well. Maybe ABP?

Dec 4, 2014#173

GasBandit

jwhouk said:
I'm getting nothing as well. Maybe ABP?

I use ABP and have no problem seeing it. What browser are you using?

Dec 4, 2014#174

jwhouk

Firefox - but I've had issues with FF blocking things that I can access in Chrome...

Dec 4, 2014#175

Ravenpoe

The forum software automatically converts amazon urls into clickable media windows, which adblock views as an ad and blocks.

Edit- Oh wait, are we talking about amazon links or webm's? I shouldn't re-enter conversations after work without re-reading.

Dec 5, 2014#176

@Li3n

blotsfan said:
Well NOW I guess I have to go replay KOTOR again. Thanks a lot, jerk.

My pleasure.

Also, don't forget, the power of Kryyst compels you to redeem Ajunta Pall's soul and get him back to the light side.[DOUBLEPOST=1417817872,1417817836][/DOUBLEPOST]

AshburnerX said:
That episode was supposed to have Darth Revan but it got nixxed.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...................

Dec 8, 2014#177

GasBandit

Dec 8, 2014#178

GasBandit

Dec 8, 2014#179

PatrThom

--Patrick

Dec 8, 2014#180

Jay

That guy looks like black Matt Damon.

Dec 9, 2014#181

drawn_inward

That SNL trailer was great.

Dec 10, 2014#182

GasBandit

This is what really worries me.

Dec 10, 2014#183

CynicismKills

Yousa tink me annoys ya before? Yousa waitsee, mesa be bombad Sith!

Dec 10, 2014#184

SpecialKO

...dammit, guys!

Dec 10, 2014#185

Sparhawk

GasBandit said:
This is what really worries me.

No worries, the lightsaber didn't go flying out of his hand and impale a Jedi.

Dec 11, 2014#186

Gruebeard

Sparhawk said:
No worries, the lightsaber didn't go flying out of his hand and impale a Jedi.

. . . that was my favorite way of killing people when I played Jedi Outcast

Dec 11, 2014#187

GasBandit

Gruebeard said:
. . . that was my favorite way of killing people when I played Jedi Outcast

Mine too.. though really it was more of a buzzsaw than a spear. And I used the cheatcode that allowed mass dismemberment... so soon there'd just be a pile of thighs, shins, feet, torsos, biceps and forearms and heads all over the floor when I was done.

Dec 11, 2014#188

Chad Sexington

GasBandit said:
Mine too.. though really it was more of a buzzsaw than a spear. And I used the cheatcode that allowed mass dismemberment... so soon there'd just be a pile of thighs, shins, feet, torsos, biceps and forearms and heads all over the floor when I was done.

I do not understand why that was a cheat. That should have been the default.

Dec 11, 2014#189

GasBandit

Chad Sexington said:
I do not understand why that was a cheat. That should have been the default.

It might have pushed it into M-rating territory. The default level let you cut off wrists, but not decapitate or completely dismember.

Dec 11, 2014#190

Ravenpoe

GasBandit said:
It might have pushed it into M-rating territory. The default level let you cut off wrists, but not decapitate or completely dismember.

It was on by default in Dark Forces 1. They must have gotten complaints.

Multiplayer Jedi Outcast was the best. I always played as Lando.

Dec 11, 2014#191

GasBandit

Ravenpoe said:
It was on by default in Dark Forces 1. They must have gotten complaints.

Multiplayer Jedi Outcast was the best. I always played as Lando.

Are you sure? Dark Forces 1 used bitmap sprites instead of polygonal ones... I don't think dismemberment was a thing. heck I don't even remember light sabers in it, I remember it being a straight up FPS with guns only. Kyle Katarn didn't wield a lightsaber until Dark Forces 2, aka Jedi Knight 1.[DOUBLEPOST=1418336133,1418335979][/DOUBLEPOST]Also I found JK2 footage of the fun stuff.

Dec 11, 2014#192

Ravenpoe

GasBandit said:
Are you sure? Dark Forces 1 used bitmap sprites instead of polygonal ones... I don't think dismemberment was a thing. heck I don't even remember light sabers in it, I remember it being a straight up FPS with guns only. Kyle Katarn didn't wield a lightsaber until Dark Forces 2, aka Jedi Knight 1.[DOUBLEPOST=1418336133,1418335979][/DOUBLEPOST]Also I found JK2 footage of the fun stuff.

Hrm, one of them had it by default... I could be misremembering due to them refusing to stick to a standard naming theme.

Dec 11, 2014#193

GasBandit

Doesn't look like it was on by default in JK-DT2 either.

Dec 11, 2014#194

Chad Sexington

GasBandit said:
Doesn't look like it was on by default in JK-DT2 either.

Nah, go to about 14:45-15:12 he cuts off some limbs and what appears to be a head.

Dec 11, 2014#195

GasBandit

Chad Sexington said:
Nah, go to about 14:45-15:12 he cuts off some limbs and what appears to be a head.

I can't tell if it was a head or not either, but the arm thing isn't surprising, even without the cheat in JK2 you can cut off hands with a special death animation for it. It wasn't complete dismemberment.

Dec 11, 2014#196

Chad Sexington

GasBandit said:
I can't tell if it was a head or not either, but the arm thing isn't surprising, even without the cheat in JK2 you can cut off hands with a special death animation for it. It wasn't complete dismemberment.

I don't like the narrator, but I've been watching videos of various levels... man that was a good game...

I have it on Steam but it always crashes just after loading the first level.

Dec 11, 2014#197

fade

Huh. I still use my old CD-ROM version and it works perfectly.

Dec 11, 2014#198

Chad Sexington

fade said:
Huh. I still use my old CD-ROM version and it works perfectly.

I don't know what became of my CD-ROMs... Presumably I chucked them because the Steam version worked back on my XP system.

Dec 11, 2014#199

Jay

Ravenpoe said:
It was on by default in Dark Forces 1. They must have gotten complaints.

Multiplayer Jedi Outcast was the best. I always played as Lando.

95% of the people would make DARTH MAULS with amazing light-saber skills?

Me? Fuck nothing like that.

Max Grip. Max Push. Max Saber Defend. A few other complimentary skills.

A basically toss people to their deaths making sure they combated on my terms.

I was... VERY GOOD at it.

Dec 12, 2014#200

figmentPez

Apparently there are more blasphemous sabers out there than triple blades. Star Wars: Rebels is set to reveal a very unconventional lightsaber.

This one makes more sense to me than the triple-blade, honestly.

Dec 12, 2014#201

bhamv3

figmentPez said:
Apparently there are more blasphemous sabers out there than triple blades. Star Wars: Rebels is set to reveal a very unconventional lightsaber.

This one makes more sense to me than the triple-blade, honestly.

Hmm... unconventional, yet not illogical.

Dec 12, 2014#202

GasBandit

figmentPez said:
This one makes more sense to me than the triple-blade, honestly.

Yar, indeed.

Dec 12, 2014#203

CynicismKills

Woah woah, is there a problem with Cervantes? Because if so, we are fighting.

Dec 12, 2014#204

GasBandit

CynicismKills said:
Woah woah, is there a problem with Cervantes? Because if so, we are fighting.

No, was saying "Cervantes approves."

Dec 12, 2014#205

CynicismKills

GasBandit said:
No, was saying "Cervantes approves."

Carry on, then.

Dec 12, 2014#206

GasBandit

Now that we have thoroughly meme-ed our way through the first official trailer for "Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens," J.J. Abrams has revealed some of the names of the new characters to Entertainment Weekly in a series of trading cards.

Finally, that little rolling ball droid has a name! BB-8.

The X-Wing pilot played by Oscar Isaac is Poe Dameron, the guy with the controversial cross lightsaber is Kylo Ren, Daisy Ridley is Rey, and John Boyega is Finn.

Abrams says there is a reason each card has its specific number, and wouldn't reveal much else.

"I'm only sorry we couldn't give everyone a stick of gum," he said.

(via EW)

Dec 12, 2014#207

SpecialKO

....he better not get all Lost up in Star Wars.

That would just be irritating.

Dec 12, 2014#208

Ravenpoe

The x-wing pilot is clearly the coolest guy in the movies.

Dec 12, 2014#209

Covar

SpecialKO said:
....he better not get all Lost up in Star Wars.

That would just be irritating.

It turns out the Star Wars galaxy is just purgatory. Well it's not purgatory, it's just a dimension adjacent to our own were one travels to upon death before moving on to the afterlife, which is not purgatory at all, no sir.

I'm betting they're scene numbers.

Dec 12, 2014#210

figmentPez

GasBandit said:
Abrams says there is a reason each card has its specific number, and wouldn't reveal much else.

If I recall correctly, I've seen other movie trading cards where the numbers put them in order of the scenes in the movie. Collecting all the cards, and putting them in order pretty much recaps the movie. That would be my guess.

Dec 12, 2014#211

sixpackshaker

When you put the cards in order by color, and tape them together, flip it over, you get a large poster. At least that is what my 1977 card collection was.

Dec 12, 2014#212

jwhouk

The first two are references to actual series 1 and series 2 cards (Artoo imprisoned by the Jawas and Artoo Detoo aboard the Rebel Starship). The Kylo Ren card... should technically be a red front.

Dec 13, 2014#213

ThatNickGuy

Oh goodie, he's already starting with mystery stuff that will turn out to be ho-hum disappointments.

Dec 13, 2014#214

Gruebeard

GasBandit said:
Finally, that little rolling ball droid has a name! BB-8.

If I had the skill, I'd photoshop a low battery indicator onto him and rename him DV-8

Or maybe sex toys instead.

Dec 13, 2014#215

GasBandit

Dec 13, 2014#216

jwhouk

I didn't know the TIE Fighters were two-man crewed.

Dec 13, 2014#217

GasBandit

jwhouk said:
I didn't know the TIE Fighters were two-man crewed.

I suspect they're just guarding the wreckage, as neither of them are wearing TIE pilot pressure suits.

Dec 13, 2014#218

sixpackshaker

If the cheap assed emperor would spring for some shields, this would never have happened.

Dec 14, 2014#219

blotsfan

Rey is Han Solo and Princess Leias' kid right?

Dec 14, 2014#220

fade

GasBandit said:

Weird I saw TOS Enterprise with missing nacelles at first. Which is still Abrams appropriate.

Dec 14, 2014#221

bhamv3

blotsfan said:
Rey is Han Solo and Princess Leias' kid right?

NO. NO. HAN AND LEIA HAVE THREE CHILDREN NAMED JACEN, JAINA, AND ANAKIN. NO AMOUNT OF RETCONNING WILL EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVERCONVINCE ME OTHERWISE!!!

Dec 15, 2014#222

Sparhawk

But what if the new continuity makes it where they did have three kids, older son, Doh. Middle kid, Rey, and youngest Mei.

Dec 15, 2014#223

fade

Since it's Abrams, I'd like to see at least one character explode with ancient space-dynamite.

Dec 15, 2014#224

SpecialKO

Dec 16, 2014#225

PatrThom

figmentPez said:
Apparently there are more blasphemous sabers out there than triple blades. Star Wars: Rebels is set to reveal a very unconventional lightsaber.

This one makes more sense to me than the triple-blade, honestly.

Reminds me a lot of this.

--Patrick

Dec 20, 2014#226

PatrThom

Hey, here's another clever one.

--Patrick

Dec 22, 2014#227

GasBandit

Jan 2, 2015#228

GasBandit

Sweded.

Jan 2, 2015#229

GasBandit

Jan 2, 2015#230

Celt Z

"Hrrmmmm...bikini wax, you do."

Jan 2, 2015#231

Bubble181

Little does she know, there's a security camera embedded in his eye.

Jan 2, 2015#232

PatrThom

Celt Z said:
"Hrrmmmm...bikini wax, you do."

--Patrick

Jan 5, 2015#233

SpecialKO

Iko Uwais, Yayan Ruhian, and Cecep Arif Rahman join the cast.

aka, these guys from the Raid:

My reaction:

Jan 5, 2015#234

bhamv3

But wait... isn't the movie well into production? I mean, they have a trailer out. How can they add new cast members at this point?

Jan 5, 2015#235

SpecialKO

I'm assuming that a lot of the big set-piece fight scenes are mostly unfilmed.

Jan 5, 2015#236

GasBandit

I'd heard they'd "wrapped" production, and were just going to need a year of postproduction now.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-7-simon-pegg-done-filming/

Jan 5, 2015#237

Sparhawk

"...finish principle photography..."

They are still shooting stuff, just the huge cast ensembles (typically main characters) are done with the main shooting, they can still be called back for re-shoots and other needed shots.

Jan 5, 2015#238

GasBandit

Sparhawk said:
"...finish principle photography..."

They are still shooting stuff, just the huge cast ensembles (typically main characters) are done with the main shooting, they can still be called back for re-shoots and other needed shots.

Huh. Well. Seems a bit premature to have a wrap party and hand out sappy congratulatory/thank you letters and such, doesn't it...

Jan 5, 2015#239

SpecialKO

Fuck, I'd watch these guys do their thing in just the inevitable after-credit scene and be happy!

Jan 5, 2015#240

Sparhawk

GasBandit said:
Huh. Well. Seems a bit premature to have a wrap party and hand out sappy congratulatory/thank you letters and such, doesn't it...

Not particularly, it's just the way it's done now. They "wrapped" the main shoot, the 2+ months of daily shooting of the majority of the movie. Many times they find that the shooting they did the first time just doesn't work for the editing of putting the movie together, so they have call-backs for those actors and even bring in more actors to fill out roles that are needed for the final product, but didn't need to be done during the marathon shooting schedule of principle photography.

Feb 16, 2015#241

evilmike

Hasbro has gone all in with the impractical light saber concept:

(via Kotaku)

Feb 16, 2015#242

fade

The short green ones have been available at your local erotica shop for a while.

Feb 16, 2015#243

sixpackshaker

fade said:
The short green ones have been available at your local erotica shop for a while.

With realistic buzzing effects...

Apr 16, 2015#244

figmentPez

Apr 16, 2015#245

Terrik

figmentPez said:

[DOUBLEPOST=1429211944,1429211629][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh man, I loved that trailer.

Apr 16, 2015#246

@Li3n

Oooo... robot hand while saying "my father"...

Apr 16, 2015#247

checkeredhat

Trying so hard not to be too hyped. Must remember: the prequel trailers looked good too.
Must not be hyped.
Must not be hyped.
Must..... not...
...hype...
I'M SO HYPED.

Apr 16, 2015#248

Null

The new trailer won me over. The crashed X-Wing and Star Destroyer. Darth Revan-esque figure. Han Solo looking like Star Lord's dad.

In short:

Apr 16, 2015#249

Celt Z

This is probably the most excited I've been for Star Wars since they released the trailer for Phantom Menace. Even the announcement of this and the first trailer I just felt "meh". This one... gives me a new hope.

Apr 16, 2015#250

CynicismKills

Celt Z said:
This is probably the most excited I've been for Star Wars since they released the trailer for Phantom Menace. Even the announcement of this and the first trailer I just felt "meh". This one... gives me a new hope.

Apr 16, 2015#251

Sparhawk

@Li3n said:
Oooo... robot hand while saying "my father"...

He says "My Father" with the Vader Helmet, and "I have it" is his robotic hand on R2's head.

Apr 16, 2015#252

fade

I like it. Nice sense of scale.

Apr 16, 2015#253

checkeredhat

Alright, we're good here. Fade likes it. Hype train is officially rolling on full steam ahead.

Apr 16, 2015#254

Jay

[DOUBLEPOST=1429228404,1429228369][/DOUBLEPOST]Had shivers when the music started.

Apr 16, 2015#255

GasBandit

Wallpaper!

Apr 16, 2015#256

PatrThom

"Filmed in Cineramaroundascope"

--Patrick

Apr 16, 2015#257

bhamv3

I am feeling a burgeoning desire for this film.

Also, who's the relative Luke's talking to? I'm guessing nephew or niece personally.

Apr 16, 2015#258

fade

Is that Tattoine? Because if so, why haven't Jawas stripped those ships down.

Apr 16, 2015#259

Ravenpoe

I haven't been able to watch this all day, because I've been at work, and I didn't want to watch it on my phone screen.

And now I'm glad I waited, because I wouldn't have been able to work with this MASSIVE ERECTION.

Apr 16, 2015#260

Hailey Knight

Do Jawas roam the entire planet?

In Star Wars it's easy to forget that even small planets are huge for individual humanoids on them.

Apr 16, 2015#261

MindDetective

fade said:
Is that Tattoine? Because if so, why haven't Jawas stripped those ships down.

No, it is a planet called Jakku.

Apr 16, 2015#262

GasBandit

fade said:
Is that Tattoine? Because if so, why haven't Jawas stripped those ships down.

Large sections of it do seem to be missing... Don't forget that ISD is 1600 meters long. Maybe they're worried it will collapse on them.

Or maybe it's radioactive.

Apr 16, 2015#263

MindDetective

GasBandit said:
Large sections of it do seem to be missing... Don't forget that ISD is 1600 meters long. Maybe they're worried it will collapse on them.

Or maybe it's radioactive.

Or it is not Tattoine.

Apr 16, 2015#264

GasBandit

MindDetective said:
Or it is not Tattoine.

Or that. Also Tatooine has one less T and one more O, guys.

Apr 16, 2015#265

checkeredhat

Even if this were Tatooine: We're making a big assumption that Destroyer has been there for any length of time. It could have just crashed there for all we know.

My thinking is this shot is chronologically just before the opening shot of the first teaser:

[DOUBLEPOST=1429243841,1429243720][/DOUBLEPOST]How?

How does this work? Magnets? I don't understand.

Apr 17, 2015#266

grub

Probably magnets and weights and such. But my first reaction is "HOLY SHIT! THAT IS SO F'N COOL!"

Apr 17, 2015#267

PatrThom

Magnets are the only thing I can think of that would allow that sort of construction.

--Patrick

Apr 17, 2015#268

tegid

What about 'wheels' in the head that roll in the opposite direction of the main ball to maintain equilibrium?

Apr 17, 2015#269

@Li3n

Sparhawk said:
He says "My Father" with the Vader Helmet, and "I have it" is his robotic hand on R2's head.

Wait, is that Luke narrating then?

And me here thinking they retconed Luke getting it on with a red head... coz none of the kids are gingers.

Apr 17, 2015#270

tegid

@Li3n said:
Wait, is that Luke narrating then?

And me here thinking they retconed Luke getting it on with a red head... coz none of the kids are gingers.

Well, you can consider everything in the EU preemtively retconned so, you know...

Apr 17, 2015#271

Bubble181

Finally watched it. Goosebumps. Now, don't disappoint me again, SW movies!

Apr 17, 2015#272

General Specific

tegid said:
What about 'wheels' in the head that roll in the opposite direction of the main ball to maintain equilibrium?

Saw some people posting this XKCD comic:

Apr 17, 2015#273

checkeredhat

@Li3n said:
Wait, is that Luke narrating then?

And me here thinking they retconed Luke getting it on with a red head... coz none of the kids are gingers.

Even assuming its his kid he's talking to, and assuming the mother is a redhead (which doesn't make a bit of a difference to the story if they decided to change it), red hair is a very recessive gene. One parent having the gene isn't enough. And we have seen what Luke's parents look like, what his sister looks like, and even what his grandma looked like. No evidence of the red hair gene on that side of the family.

Apr 17, 2015#274

General Specific

figmentPez said:

My response when I first saw it:

Then, I remembered the Phantom Menace trailer and my response became more nuanced. It is now mostly this.

Apr 17, 2015#275

fade

GasBandit said:
Or that. Also Tatooine has one less T and one more O, guys.

I was waiting for someone to give me crap about misspelling Tatooine. I saw it, and the lack of a question mark, but I was too lazy to go edit.[DOUBLEPOST=1429276343,1429275812][/DOUBLEPOST]That opening music still raises goosebumps.

Apr 17, 2015#276

drawn_inward

If they screw this up, I'll be bummed but not surprised.

Apr 17, 2015#277

GasBandit

I saw this on Imgur and immediately thought "OOH! I should send that to my dad, he'll love it!"

And then I remembered I don't have any kids. Yes, that actually happened.

Apr 17, 2015#278

Ravenpoe

@Li3n said:
Wait, is that Luke narrating then?

And me here thinking they retconed Luke getting it on with a red head... coz none of the kids are gingers.

It's pretty obviously Luke narrating. He says my father had it, and it shows Vader's helmet. I have it, and we see a robed figure with a robotic hand with R2-D2, so obviously meant to be Luke. "My sister has it" accompanies a shot of a female hand handing what looks like Luke's old lightsaber to a kid, suggesting that hand is Leia, "and now you have it." So my guess is Luke is talking to his niece/nephew, since Leia was giving the kid a lightsaber.

Apr 17, 2015#279

PatrThom

Ravenpoe said:
It's pretty obviously Luke narrating.

I thought so as well.
Do you think we'll get to hear him say, "Luke Skywalker. That's a name I haven't heard in a long time," at some point?

--Patrick

Apr 17, 2015#280

Sparhawk

Ravenpoe said:
looks like Luke's old lightsaber to a kid,

That's Vader's lightsaber.

Apr 17, 2015#281

Ravenpoe

Sparhawk said:
That's Vader's lightsaber.

Vader's, or Anakin's? I thought it was Anakin's, though that one is probably still lost somewhere on Cloud City.

Apr 17, 2015#282

fade

Apr 17, 2015#283

Sparhawk

Ravenpoe said:
Vader's, or Anakin's? I thought it was Anakin's, though that one is probably still lost somewhere on Cloud City.

Vader.

Apr 17, 2015#284

CynicismKills

Something else I noticed re-watching, when Han says "We're home" they're in one of the corridors of the Millennium Falcon, which makes me think at some point between VI and VII they lost it.[DOUBLEPOST=1429330480,1429330288][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, someone get that black kid an inhaler, he's out of breath in every single shot he's been shown in.

Apr 17, 2015#285

blotsfan

Ravenpoe said:
Vader's, or Anakin's? I thought it was Anakin's, though that one is probably still lost somewhere on Cloud City.

Ummm....I'm not sure how to tell you this...

Vader is actually Anakin

Apr 18, 2015#286

Ravenpoe

blotsfan said:
Ummm....I'm not sure how to tell you this...

Vader is actually Anakin

Hey man, spoilers!

There's three different sabers. There's Anakin's blue lightsaber, taken from him by Obi Wan Kenobi and given to Luke years later.

There's the red saber that Darth Vader uses afterwards, which looks very similar since, you know, they were both made by the same guy.

And then there's Luke's green saber that he makes himself.

Apr 18, 2015#287

Hailey Knight

When did Luke have time for that?

Apr 18, 2015#288

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
When did Luke have time for that?

After Empire, but before Return. He built it during the search for Han Solo after he recovered and mastered his new hand. While Chewie, Leia, and Lando were dealing with the Dark Sun Syndicate, Luke went back to Obi-wan Kenobi's house on Tatoonine to meditate and work on the new saber. Look up "Shadows of the Empire", which is a comic/novel/game that covers that time period.

Apr 18, 2015#289

Bowielee

fade said:
View attachment 18064

Man, we ain't found shit!

Apr 18, 2015#290

Ravenpoe

AshburnerX said:
After Empire, but before Return. He built it during the search for Han Solo after he recovered and mastered his new hand. While Chewie, Leia, and Lando were dealing with the Dark Sun Syndicate, Luke went back to Obi-wan Kenobi's house on Tatoonine to meditate and work on the new saber. Look up "Shadows of the Empire", which is a comic/novel/game that covers that time period.

Vader also comments on it in Return of the Jedi, noting that Luke must have completed his Jedi training, since that typically happens with building your own lightsaber.

Apr 18, 2015#291

fade

blotsfan said:
Ummm....I'm not sure how to tell you this...

Vader is actually Anakin

NOOOOOOOOoooooooooo.......

Apr 18, 2015#292

Hailey Knight

fade said:
NOOOOOOOOoooooooooo.......

Is that a "the bad guy is my dad" nooo, or a "Padme is dead" noooo, or the new "don't kill my son" noooo?

Apr 18, 2015#293

checkeredhat

Zero Esc said:
Is that a "the bad guy is my dad" nooo, or a "Padme is dead" noooo, or the new "don't kill my son" noooo?

Or the "Qui Gon Jin is dead" noooo, or the "Obi Wan is dead" noooo?

Apr 18, 2015#294

GasBandit

"Do not want"

Apr 18, 2015#295

Hailey Knight

checkeredhat said:
Or the "Qui Gon Jin is dead" noooo, or the "Obi Wan is dead" noooo?

I forgot about those. Wonder if we'll get a new nooooo in the new movie.

Apr 18, 2015#296

checkeredhat

Zero Esc said:
I forgot about those. Wonder if we'll get a new nooooo in the new movie.

I'm fairly certain we do. I haven't watched RotJ in years though, and don't plan on ever watching ep II again to find out

Apr 18, 2015#297

Hailey Knight

checkeredhat said:
I'm fairly certain we do. I haven't watched RotJ in years though, and don't plan on ever watching ep II again to find out

... huh?

Apr 18, 2015#298

PatrThom

CynicismKills said:
Something else I noticed re-watching, when Han says "We're home" they're in one of the corridors of the Millennium Falcon, which makes me think at some point between VI and VII they lost it.

That was my impression as well, that they were reclaiming it somehow.

Ravenpoe said:
Vader's, or Anakin's? I thought it was Anakin's, though that one is probably still lost somewhere on Cloud City.

...if it survived the fall. I assume it was eventually ejected the same way Luke was, which would mean it would probably be lost somewhere deep in Bespin's churning gases.

blotsfan said:
Ummm....I'm not sure how to tell you this...

Vader is actually Anakin

Vader is not actually Anakin, Vader is Vader, the same way that Cassius Clay and Muhammed Ali are two "different" people. One is what he was, the other is what he became.

--Patrick

Apr 18, 2015#299

GasBandit

The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it.

Apr 18, 2015#300

sixpackshaker

Apr 18, 2015#301

GasBandit

So Luke went back to the forest moon of Endor, and sifted through the ash pile, and reclaimed the helmet... WHY?

Apr 18, 2015#302

Bowielee

GasBandit said:
So Luke went back to the forest moon of Endor, and sifted through the ash pile, and reclaimed the helmet... WHY?

Maybe he didn't. It could be the new Sith that wanted it.

Apr 18, 2015#303

Hailey Knight

GasBandit said:
So Luke went back to the forest moon of Endor, and sifted through the ash pile, and reclaimed the helmet... WHY?

He probably did it while they were there. I suppose for memories.

Apr 18, 2015#304

checkeredhat

Zero Esc said:
... huh?

For some reason I thought you had said "I wonder if we get a nooo in each movie".

Apr 18, 2015#305

Hailey Knight

checkeredhat said:
For some reason i thought you had said "i winder if we get a nooo in each movie".

Got it.

Apr 18, 2015#306

Ravenpoe

Bowielee said:
Maybe he didn't. It could be the new Sith that wanted it.

Probably this. What little has been said about the new Sith (I can never remember his name) he's a collector searching for Sith artifacts.

Apr 19, 2015#307

fade

For the current teen generation's reaction: my 12 yo son barely made it through the trailer and followed it up with a "meh". He used to like Star Wars.

Apr 19, 2015#308

GasBandit

fade said:
For the current teen generation's reaction: my 12 yo son barely made it through the trailer and followed it up with a "meh". He used to like Star Wars.

I could see that. The trailer's definitely modulated to tug at the nostalgia of people who saw the original 3 as kids.

Apr 19, 2015#309

Hailey Knight

fade said:
For the current teen generation's reaction: my 12 yo son barely made it through the trailer and followed it up with a "meh". He used to like Star Wars.

"The dislike is strong in our family. I have it. You have it."

I went through a period like that, and so seemed the case with other kids at the time. We stopped liking Star Wars, Disney, etc. My cousins will be 13 in two months and it seems to be the age of "I'm bored."

Apr 19, 2015#310

GasBandit

Zero Esc said:
I went through a period like that, and so seemed the case with other kids at the time. We stopped liking Star Wars, Disney, etc.

A long line of meh Star Wars games culminating in Force Unleashed had me thinking I'd finally gotten bored of Star Wars for good.

http://gasbandit.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-think-im-tired-of-star-wars.html

Apr 19, 2015#311

fade

So did you like the force unleashed? I have a copy that I grabbed out of the $2 clearance bin at GameStop once but I never played it more than 5 minutes.

Apr 19, 2015#312

Hailey Knight

GasBandit said:
A long line of meh Star Wars games culminating in Force Unleashed had me thinking I'd finally gotten bored of Star Wars for good.

http://gasbandit.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-think-im-tired-of-star-wars.html

We've really been given nothing to care about in Star Wars for many years, and not because of lack of Star Wars stuff. I'm surprised more people here haven't just given up.

Apr 19, 2015#313

Piotyr

Zero Esc said:
I forgot about those. Wonder if we'll get a new nooooo in the new movie.

I've got a bad feeling about this.

Apr 19, 2015#314

GasBandit

fade said:
So did you like the force unleashed? I have a copy that I grabbed out of the $2 clearance bin at GameStop once but I never played it more than 5 minutes.

I never actually played it. It looked too much like... I dunno, emo mary sue basementdweller ego stroking.

Apr 19, 2015#315

MindDetective

fade said:
For the current teen generation's reaction: my 12 yo son barely made it through the trailer and followed it up with a "meh". He used to like Star Wars.

It is definitely not an exciting trailer. When the voiceover is a recut of dialog from a movie released in the 80s, the whole point is to pluck the nostalgia strings. 12 year olds aren't the target, clearly.

Apr 19, 2015#316

Hailey Knight

There's now a generation whose sole experience with Star Wars is the prequel trilogy.

Apr 19, 2015#317

Ravenpoe

Zero Esc said:
There's now a generation whose sole experience with Star Wars is the prequel trilogy.

Those poor summer movie children... they know nothing.

Apr 19, 2015#318

Celt Z

Zero Esc said:
There's now a generation whose sole experience with Star Wars is the prequel trilogy.

And the Disney shows/cartoons. I was playing with kids two weekends ago who argued over who got to be Ezra. The names Han or Luke didn't pop up once.

Apr 19, 2015#319

MindDetective

Celt Z said:
And the Disney shows/cartoons. I was playing with kids two weekends ago who argued over who got to be Ezra. The names Han or Luke didn't pop up once.

I haven't seen the newest show but Clone Wars was really good.

Apr 19, 2015#320

Celt Z

I've seen bits and pieces because Disney channels are part of our regular viewing, but they seem pretty good.

Apr 19, 2015#321

@Li3n

Ravenpoe said:
It's pretty obviously Luke narrating. He says my father had it, and it shows Vader's helmet. I have it, and we see a robed figure with a robotic hand with R2-D2, so obviously meant to be Luke. "My sister has it" accompanies a shot of a female hand handing what looks like Luke's old lightsaber to a kid, suggesting that hand is Leia, "and now you have it." So my guess is Luke is talking to his niece/nephew, since Leia was giving the kid a lightsaber.

It just didn't sound much like Hamill to me... but i guess that's because he's not playing a DC supervillain in this one...[DOUBLEPOST=1429470694,1429470644][/DOUBLEPOST]

Zero Esc said:
There's now a generation whose sole experience with Star Wars is the prequel trilogy.

WTF are tehir parent doing not showing them the originals?

That's just bad parenting.

Apr 19, 2015#322

GasBandit

@Li3n said:
WTF are tehir parent doing not showing them the originals?

That's just bad parenting.

I don't agree with you often, but I'm pretty sure this is as close to iron-clad factual truth as one can get without religion being involved.

Apr 19, 2015#323

Hailey Knight

@Li3n said:
WTF are tehir parent doing not showing them the originals?

That's just bad parenting.

I'm the only reason certain kids have even seen the original Star Wars. I've seen kids who had Darth Vader toys they referred to as "Anakin."

It's a sick world we live in.

Apr 19, 2015#324

AshburnerX

I think part of the problem is that Star Wars doesn't get regular play on TV anymore, mostly because I think Spike TV still owns the broadcasting rights to the first 6 films and really, who the fuck watches Spike TV? I know the only reason I ever saw the original movies is because they used to get played on syndicated TV all the fucking time.

Apr 19, 2015#325

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
I think part of the problem is that Star Wars doesn't get regular play on TV anymore, mostly because I think Spike TV still owns the broadcasting rights to the first 6 films and really, who the fuck watches Spike TV? I know the only reason I ever saw the original movies is because they used to get played on syndicated TV all the fucking time.

Good point; it was the same for me. TNT would show them sometimes and eventually I taped them all. Never bought the movies until my wife got me the un-Lucased DVDs for Christmas some year.

Apr 19, 2015#326

GasBandit

My father is a huge cinephile. We had them recorded from cable way back in the day, then the VHS collector's edition (which turned out to be the last version that had all the old fun "goofs" in them like the wrong-colored sabers and the funny bouncing Luke gaffe), then again on DVD when it made the transition. And, of course, we went to see them in the theaters.

Apr 20, 2015#327

fade

The best thing I've read about this movie is that BB-8 is not CGI, it's a functioning prop. Here's some dude's replica.

Apr 20, 2015#328

Sparhawk

fade said:
The best thing I've read about this movie is that BB-8 is not CGI, it's a functioning prop. Here's some dude's replica.

Checkeredhat posted a video of the opening talk at Celebration where they actually brought R2 and BB-8 out on stage.

Apr 20, 2015#329

Hailey Knight

Practical effects and actual sets may merit viewing regardless of how good a movie it is.

Apr 21, 2015#330

fade

The actual ad is "marked for deletion", but the crashed ISD has made it onto Craigslist. Ran when parked.

http://jalopnik.com/theres-imperial-star-destroyers-all-over-craigslist-now-1699065737/+chris-mills

And there's a followup, which is still up:

http://humboldt.craigslist.org/rvs/4988183907.html

Apr 22, 2015#331

GasBandit

You old scoundrel you.

May 4, 2015#332

fade

I guess everyone has seen thenew set pictures?

Kylo Ren without the mask:

Apparently some dude from Girls.

May 4, 2015#333

blotsfan

That's kinda lame looking, but I don't know that anyone wouldn't look lame compared to the mask.

May 4, 2015#334

drawn_inward

Is that from a Bjork music video?

May 4, 2015#335

PatrThom

I thought it meant Tim Burton was helping direct.

--Patrick

May 4, 2015#336

Null

Gwendoline Christie - Brienne of Tarth - is Captain Phasma, that chrome-clad Stormtrooper Officer seen in the preview.

Vanity Fair has a spread of shots from the set of Star Wars VII and they're really promising, largely because they show the extent of the practical effects. When Daisy Ryder is on that popsicle shaped swoop bike / speeder, it's not a big green block, it's a full mock up vehicle. The shots inside the Millennium Falcon? In an actual cockpit set. That was one of the strengths of the original trilogy - almost everything looked real and physical and lived in, instead of an escapee from a video game.

May 4, 2015#337

SpecialKO

So...you're saying she's a Chrome Trooper?

May 4, 2015#338

GasBandit

May 4, 2015#339

sixpackshaker

New Trailer

Jul 10, 2015#340

CynicismKills

Oh dang. Oh dang.

Jul 10, 2015#341

ThatNickGuy

*sigh* I want to be excited. I really do. They're doing so many things right, most especially with all the practical effects.

But I just can't get hyped for this. I'm so sick of Star Wars. Though, I will say that despite my lack of hype, I still plan on seeing this. I want this movie to win me over.

Jul 11, 2015#342

CynicismKills

What exactly has you sick of it? I mean yeah, I-III are okay at best, but IV-VI are still good, the Clone Wars series was great (and I hear good things about Rebels), the current comics are pretty good reads, there's a pretty decent stable of solid games...

I don't mean this in a HOW DARE YOU sort of way, I'm just curious.

Jul 11, 2015#343

Hailey Knight

CynicismKills said:
Oh dang. Oh dang.

Fuck me, I teared up. And fuck them, they're getting my hopes up.

I also love how this reel is essentially saying "fuck you" to the prequel trilogy. They keep emphasizing these elements that are important to the production, all things the prequel trilogy didn't do. I know they can't say it outright, but it's there. I'm just looking at everything they've built and it's beautiful. They showed things in there I was certain they'd CGI. Real explosions? Guys on friggin wires?! I thought they'd just pay lip service to practical effects like with Jurassic World, but I was so wrong. There are so many sets and props and people walking around in prosthetics and suits, much more than I anticipated. The movie could be bad and it would still look amazing. The movie could be bad and it'll likely still be the best Star Wars film in over 30 years.[DOUBLEPOST=1436611340,1436610962][/DOUBLEPOST]

ThatNickGuy said:
*sigh* I want to be excited. I really do. They're doing so many things right, most especially with all the practical effects.

But I just can't get hyped for this. I'm so sick of Star Wars. Though, I will say that despite my lack of hype, I still plan on seeing this. I want this movie to win me over.

I think getting hyped would be a mistake. It may happen to me, but I'd advise against it anyway.

That said, if you're sick of Star Wars (this implies that you've reached a level of Star Wars oversaturation in your media, so I'm not sure that's what you meant), then you're not going to be giving the new one a real chance, so you'll probably get aggravated with it. I think the best approach is to go in neutral. Too much optimism could lead to disappointment, too much negativity could mean that a person can't like it no matter what it does right.

Like a fool, I'm getting my hopes up. But I don't advise that for anyone.

Jul 11, 2015#344

ThatNickGuy

CynicismKills said:
What exactly has you sick of it? I mean yeah, I-III are okay at best, but IV-VI are still good, the Clone Wars series was great (and I hear good things about Rebels), the current comics are pretty good reads, there's a pretty decent stable of solid games...

I don't mean this in a HOW DARE YOU sort of way, I'm just curious.

Two things, really:

1) That Star Wars never went away. I don't mean the movies, but the books, the games, the shows, etc. Lucas has been accused of whoring out his product to everything and anything, slapping the name on anything that he could put a price tag on it. And don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed some of these (the games in particular, like the original KOTOR). I found it got particularly worse once the prequels started rolling out.

2) The bigger issue for me isn't how Lucas and his company have handled the product, but the fans. It's sort of like Portal with "the cake is a lie." It was constantly referenced in all manner of media or memes. Worse, the parodies, like Robot Chicken and Family guy. At this point, I don't think there's a single scene or line from the original trilogy (or prequels to a lesser extent) that hasn't been parodied or made into a meme. It's to the point that I haven't even bothered trying to watch the original movies because I've been constantly reminded of them. I can't think of any other product that's been referenced or parodied as much as Star Wars. Not even Star Trek at its height was this bad. The parodies and memes were everywhere, so couple that with having to see books, TV shows, and games on top of it? It was a constant bombarding. So any news, picture, or trailer for the new movie came out, I found myself curling my lip because I was so sick of it at this point.

Jul 11, 2015#345

Hailey Knight

I guess because I gave up on Star Wars in 2007, I haven't really noticed much of this shit. Maybe I'm alone in that, but other people I've talked to have the "Star Wars coming back" vibe and I don't know if that's just because the movie looks good or because it's actually felt like it went away for people who weren't following games, comics, TV shows of it. Maybe I'm just a filthy casual when it comes to Star Wars so I don't pay much attention, but it does feel like it's been gone for a while to me. I'm wondering if that's where the general public is.

Jul 11, 2015#346

GasBandit

I, too, got tired of star wars in 2007.

But I can't help getting excited for the new movie.

Please don't hurt me again, George Lucas.

Jul 11, 2015#347

Ravenpoe

GasBandit said:
I, too, got tired of star wars in 2007.

But I can't help getting excited for the new movie.

Please don't hurt me again, George Lucas.

He can't hurt you anymore... he's been sealed away for good.

Jul 11, 2015#348

Sparhawk

GasBandit said:
I, too, got tired of star wars in 2007.

But I can't help getting excited for the new movie.

Please don't hurt me again, George Lucas.

Lucas really doesn't have anything to do with this movie.

Jul 11, 2015#349

GasBandit

Sparhawk said:
Lucas really doesn't have anything to do with this movie.

Maybe that's why I'm able to get excited for it.

Jul 11, 2015#350

Hailey Knight

Ravenpoe said:
He can't hurt you anymore... he's been sealed away for good.

Jul 11, 2015#351

Cheesy1

Ravenpoe said:
He can't hurt you anymore... he's been sealed away for good.

Jul 11, 2015#352

fade

CynicismKills said:
Oh dang. Oh dang.

Whoa. Whoa. You guys can be jaded, but I'm going to be over here wetting myself.

Jul 11, 2015#353

Bubble181

fade said:
Whoa. Whoa. You guys can be jaded, but I'm going to be over here wetting myself.

Pfft, typical, fade doesn't li....Wha-aaaah? (insert Moe-gif here)

Jul 11, 2015#354

Hailey Knight

Bubble181 said:
Pfft, typical, fade doesn't li....Wha-aaaah? (insert Moe-gif here)

Fade's not jaded about this. That power now rests with his son.

The apprentice has become the master.

Jul 11, 2015#355

drifter

Bubble181 said:
Pfft, typical, fade doesn't li....Wha-aaaah? (insert Moe-gif here)

Jul 11, 2015#356

CynicismKills

fade said:
Whoa. Whoa. You guys can be jaded, but I'm going to be over here wetting myself.

Yeah if people are tired of it that's cool, but I'm really excited now. It really seems like Abrams is going to do this right.

Jul 11, 2015#357

Sparhawk

CynicismKills said:
Yeah if people are tired of it that's cool, but I'm really excited now. It really seems like Abrams is going to do this right.

I'm not sure that "going to do" is appropriate now, "is doing" seems best. It's happening, and heck, he's even showed off the practical effects outside of the movie sets. Just look further up this thread about Star Wars Celebration and the little droid.

Jul 11, 2015#358

PatrThom

CynicismKills said:
Yeah if people are tired of it that's cool, but I'm really excited now. It really seems like Abrams is going to do this right.

Just need the writers to commit as much as the crew.

--Patrick

Jul 11, 2015#359

CynicismKills

PatrThom said:
Just need the writers to commit as much as the crew.

--Patrick

Considering Abrams is writing it, I think we're okay on that front (granted, he's writing it with Lawrence Kasdan, but he co-wrote Empire and Raiders so I'm not worried at all).

Aug 23, 2015#360

GasBandit

Some insane fans have redone and remastered the WHOLE original trilogy in both video and audio from old film footage.

Color correction and other edits have created possibly the best form of the original trilogy that anyone can find, in full 720p HD.

The projects page is here http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/to...zed-Edition-HD-V25-MKV-IS-OUT-NOW/topic/12713/

You can download it by BitTorrent and from the online sharing community tehPARADOX.COM http://tehparadox.com/forum/f89/harmys-star-wars-trilogy-despecialized-2543089/

Aug 23, 2015#361

fade

Hmm. I'll check it out but the color correction on the special edition was masterful for all the other problems.

Aug 23, 2015#362

PatrThom

Huh. I thought this was already mentioned on the forums somewhere some time back in February/March.
They've been continually improving their product now and again as technology improves and as new sources become available.

--Patrick

Aug 23, 2015#363

Hailey Knight

fade said:
Hmm. I'll check it out but the color correction on the special edition was masterful for all the other problems.

Right, but we don't have that color correction in the unaltered versions of those scenes. If you watch the unaltered DVDs, it's obvious when the source footage cuts to the laserdisc.

Aug 27, 2015#364

CynicismKills

New and very small teaser released on Instagram.

Aug 28, 2015#365

Just Me

A black Jedi? - Well, it worked in Blazing Sabres.

Thanks, I'll show myself out.

Sep 20, 2015#366

DarkAudit

Rumor has it Disney will be re-releasing the de-specialized Original Trilogy.

Not confirmed, but the source is credible.

Sep 20, 2015#367

ThatNickGuy

DarkAudit said:
Rumor has it Disney will be re-releasing the de-specialized Original Trilogy.

Not confirmed, but the source is credible.

Now it'll be interesting to see which is better: the official release or the fan-made de-specialization.

Sep 20, 2015#368

PatrThom

ThatNickGuy said:
Now it'll be interesting to see which is better: the official release or the fan-made de-specialization.

At worst, its existence means that Disney won't be able to get away with half-assing it.

--Patrick

Sep 21, 2015#369

drawn_inward

I don't mind them "cleaning up" the OT, and make it HD compatible. I just didn't want extras that were distracting. The Special Edition sins were far more minor than adding Hayden Christian to RotJ or the bloated bore of the prequels.

Oct 2, 2015#370

@Li3n

Like HD remakes of games, imo we should get the original un-HD version released too, just for kicks. They can always release a HD compatible one later.

More options = better.

Oct 18, 2015#371

Cheesy1

Oct 18, 2015#372

blotsfan

Conspiculously absent from that poster: Luke.

Oct 18, 2015#373

Frank

Not busy enough, needs more shit.

Oct 18, 2015#374

Celt Z

blotsfan said:
Conspiculously absent from that poster: Luke.

...Or is he???

Yeah, I dunno. There's a lot of stuff in that poster.

Oct 18, 2015#375

MindDetective

blotsfan said:
Conspiculously absent from that poster: Luke.

Oct 18, 2015#376

blotsfan

Frank said:
Not busy enough, needs more shit.

Thats classic Star Wars poster though. Look at the ones for the original trilogy.

Oct 18, 2015#377

Ravenpoe

Cheesy1 said:
View attachment 19485

Oh no... oh no oh no oh no.

It's official... I've caught the hype. I thought I could resist hype until I saw it, and not have hype ruin my experience, but it's all over now.

THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!!!11!11 And if it isn't the most amazing thing I've ever seen I will immediately hate it.

Oct 18, 2015#378

bhamv3

Is that... another Death Star in the background?

Oct 18, 2015#379

Celt Z

bhamv3 said:
Is that... another Death Star in the background?

...Or is it???

It's going to be a long 2 months.

Oct 18, 2015#380

ThatNickGuy

Ravenpoe said:
THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!!!11!11 And if it isn't the most amazing thing I've ever seen I will immediately hate it.

Funny because I was thinking the exact same thing before Phantom Menace came out.

Oct 18, 2015#381

Bowielee

ThatNickGuy said:
Funny because I was thinking the exact same thing before Phantom Menace came out.

I have to admit that I was in a strong state of denial after seeing The Phantom Menace.

Oct 18, 2015#382

Celt Z

Bowielee said:
I have to admit that I was in a strong state of denial after seeing The Phantom Menace.

*inside Bowielee's brain*

Oct 18, 2015#383

ThatNickGuy

Bowielee said:
I have to admit that I was in a strong state of denial after seeing The Phantom Menace.

Personally, I don't think it or the prequels are that bad. They can't even hold a candle to the original trilogy, but I never outright hated them like some people do.

Oct 18, 2015#384

Ravenpoe

ThatNickGuy said:
Personally, I don't think it or the prequels are that bad. They can't even hold a candle to the original trilogy, but I never outright hated them like some people do.

I hated them more after watching the 'what if the prequels had been good' videos, and realized how much better they could have been had there been anyone there to slap George Lucas and tell him no.

Oct 18, 2015#385

ThatNickGuy

Someone improved the poster:

Oct 18, 2015#386

Cheesy1

ThatNickGuy said:
Someone improved the poster:

Oct 18, 2015#387

General Specific

Probably known already, but it has been announced that a new trailer will be shown during Monday Night Football tomorrow (10\19)

And will probably be uploaded to the internet at about the same time.

Oct 18, 2015#388

bhamv3

ThatNickGuy said:
Personally, I don't think it or the prequels are that bad. They can't even hold a candle to the original trilogy, but I never outright hated them like some people do.

That final lightsaber duel at the end of Episode 3 between Anakin and Obi-Wan was nothing short of glorious.

Oct 18, 2015#389

blotsfan

General Specific said:
Probably known already, but it has been announced that a new trailer will be shown during Monday Night Football tomorrow (10\19)

And will probably be uploaded to the internet at about the same time.

Presale tickets are gonna be available then too.

Oct 19, 2015#390

Dave

Holy fuck that trailer. I'm officially stoked and I've been really resisting.[DOUBLEPOST=1445307515,1445307082][/DOUBLEPOST]

Oct 19, 2015#391

blotsfan

Sooooooooo hyped. So so so hyped. So so so so so so so so hyped.

Oct 19, 2015#392

Frank

They're definitely being SUPER low key about Luke.

I'm READY!

Oct 19, 2015#393

bhamv3

Huh... looks like JJ's really taking it in a really different direction from the EU. The EU made the reasonable assumption that the Force, the Jedi, the Sith etc would continue their rise into much greater prominence in the galaxy. The trailer is suggesting that the Jedi and the Force are seen as a myth.

Interesting.

Oct 19, 2015#394

Piotyr

Yeah, I think I'll see this in theaters.

Oct 19, 2015#395

Sparhawk

bhamv3 said:
Huh... looks like JJ's really taking it in a really different direction from the EU. The EU made the reasonable assumption that the Force, the Jedi, the Sith etc would continue their rise into much greater prominence in the galaxy. The trailer is suggesting that the Jedi and the Force are seen as a myth.

Interesting.

Got more of a vibe of the Empire managing to cover up the Rebellion and hide what happened with the Death Stars, Vader and The Emperor.

Oct 19, 2015#396

AshburnerX

bhamv3 said:
Huh... looks like JJ's really taking it in a really different direction from the EU. The EU made the reasonable assumption that the Force, the Jedi, the Sith etc would continue their rise into much greater prominence in the galaxy. The trailer is suggesting that the Jedi and the Force are seen as a myth.

Interesting.

This isn't all the surprising: a lot of people died on the core worlds were Jedi were common place and that was, what, 40-50 years ago? So if Luke didn't start the Academy like he did in the EU, we're talking entire generations of people who've NEVER seen a Jedi or Sith. And really, the idea of Luke starting a Jedi Academy always seemed... odd to me. The Force may have saved him and reconnected him with his sister, but it also almost consumed him in hate and lead to the death of his father. If anything, Luke should have had reservations about unleashing it onto the galaxy again. The idea that there haven't been any since Luke seems pretty realistic to me.

That's not even getting into the government suppression probably going on. The Jedi were perfectly willing to strong arm entire planetary governments to get their way and just one or two could bring down an entire planet or stop and entire army. That kind of power is useful in the right hands but when you are a government, the only right hands are "mine".

Oct 19, 2015#397

ThatNickGuy

Okay, NOW I'm in.

Oct 19, 2015#398

Hailey Knight

It seems like they're continuing the idea from the original Star Wars that a lot of people just considered it a religion and not like there was any mystical power really involved. So it would make sense that some would be skeptical.

If this movie turns out to suck, it's gonna hurt.

Oct 19, 2015#399

Reverent-one

It really looks like they're continuing pretty much everything from the OT. Evil Empire, Good Rebels, past events and the Jedi shrouded in mystery. They're even doing it visually with another desert planet (though it's not Tatooine from what I've heard) and very similar looking TIE fighters and X-wings. Right now the one real wildcard is that the evil force user, Kylo Ren, seems to not have the same role as Vader in the OT. That said, with how they're banking on nostalgia for the OT rather than the prequels, I can't say I blame them. It's not in their best interests to show any differences in the promotional material rather than pulling people in with the familiar, and even if the movie is very similar in broad strokes to the OT, they can still distinguish it in the details.

Oct 19, 2015#400

AshburnerX

Reverent-one said:
It really looks like they're continuing pretty much everything from the OT. Evil Empire, Good Rebels, past events and the Jedi shrouded in mystery. They're even doing it visually with another desert planet (though it's not Tatooine from what I've heard) and very similar looking TIE fighters and X-wings. Right now the one real wildcard is that the evil force user, Kylo Ren, seems to not have the same role as Vader in the OT. That said, with how they're banking on nostalgia for the OT rather than the prequels, I can't say I blame them. It's not in their best interests to show any differences in the promotional material rather than pulling people in with the familiar, and even if the movie is very similar in broad strokes to the OT, they can still distinguish it in the details.

I think it's more that they want people to know that this new series of films will be more like the originals than the second trilogy. That's an important one to make, I feel.

Oct 19, 2015#401

WasabiPoptart

I thought I missed it, then turned on the tv right at halftime!

Oct 19, 2015#402

Far

Already got my tickets!

Oct 19, 2015#403

Cheesy1

I'm having so much fun watching other people react to the trailer for the first time, especially people around my age! It's like they're five years old again and it's Christmas morning!

Oct 19, 2015#404

DarkAudit

W. A. N. T.

Oct 20, 2015#405

Just Me

And there I thought the money shot of the Falcon in the first teaser had me drawn in.
Then I calmed down and the first appearance of Han and Chewie hit me.

Now I held my breath for the length of the whole new trailer, and I had tears in my eyes at the end. SO IN!

Oct 20, 2015#406

Null

Yup, I'm sold.

Oct 20, 2015#407

Hailey Knight

That music in the trailer; those were some touching versions of familiar themes. I'm glad John Williams is back. He hasn't been composing much these days and I was starting to worry about him.

Oct 20, 2015#408

Celt Z

So very, very in. Gotta get babysitting set up ASAP. And it'll probably have to be my mother-in-law, because if I know my mom, she already bought her tickets.

Oct 20, 2015#409

jwhouk

So.

Uhm.

Do I dare say what I think might be in the back of everyone's mind?

Luke's gonna get killed off in this film?

Oct 20, 2015#410

tegid

Welp, shouldn't have read that, because I hadn't even thought about it but I agree

Oct 20, 2015#411

Dei

Nope, I camped out for a week for tickets to Episode 1, Star Wars will have to try a lot harder to get me to fall on the hype train again. I'll see it mind you, but I refuse to get hyped.

Oct 20, 2015#412

General Specific

Bought my tickets as well.

Oct 20, 2015#413

strawman

jwhouk said:
So.

Uhm.

Do I dare say what I think might be in the back of everyone's mind?

Luke's gonna get killed off in this film?

Nah, he's probably already dead, but will appear as holograms for instruction.

Personally I'd much prefer it if he turned. He was never really trained, and, like Anakin, was taken on a journey at the direct instruction of other older force users and thereby caught in a track and a path of action that couldn't be avoided - one that saw him the harbinger of his father's death. He got adventure, but at what cost? At minimum he should be pretty jaded about the force and jedi, but it would be quite interesting if instead he began to see the humanity in his father as Darth Vader, and started to waffle on whether there's really a good side in the force. Maybe he trains the next sith, thinking that perhaps he can reform the empire into a better entity. Sure, Palpatine was a bad guy, but the Jedi were partly to blame for the way Palpatine was able to trap Anakin.

Alternately, he helped destroy the empire, things broke apart and became unmanageable, and he found that it had really bad results, which he had no power to control or effect - finding himself caught in political intrigue and machinations he had no mind or desire for, and thus left adrift watching the consequences of his actions from afar.

Regardless, I want to see Luke turn, Obi-wan again shown to be a lousy jedi teacher, and someone from Luke's family coming after him, like he did for his father.

But this is all wild conjecture, I'm avoiding supposedly "real" spoilers.

Oct 20, 2015#414

ThatNickGuy

stienman said:
Nah, he's probably already dead, but will appear as holograms for instruction.

Personally I'd much prefer it if he turned. He was never really trained, and, like Anakin, was taken on a journey at the direct instruction of other older force users and thereby caught in a track and a path of action that couldn't be avoided - one that saw him the harbinger of his father's death. He got adventure, but at what cost? At minimum he should be pretty jaded about the force and jedi, but it would be quite interesting if instead he began to see the humanity in his father as Darth Vader, and started to waffle on whether there's really a good side in the force. Maybe he trains the next sith, thinking that perhaps he can reform the empire into a better entity. Sure, Palpatine was a bad guy, but the Jedi were partly to blame for the way Palpatine was able to trap Anakin.

Alternately, he helped destroy the empire, things broke apart and became unmanageable, and he found that it had really bad results, which he had no power to control or effect - finding himself caught in political intrigue and machinations he had no mind or desire for, and thus left adrift watching the consequences of his actions from afar.

Regardless, I want to see Luke turn, Obi-wan again shown to be a lousy jedi teacher, and someone from Luke's family coming after him, like he did for his father.

But this is all wild conjecture, I'm avoiding supposedly "real" spoilers.

There's actually some speculation around this already. Some are speculating...

...that he's actually the villain of the film in some way, shape, or form. Some even think he might be the new Darth Vader-like dude in the poster and trailers.

Oct 20, 2015#415

PatrThom

ThatNickGuy said:
There's actually some speculation around this already. Some are speculating...

...that he's actually the villain of the film in some way, shape, or form. Some even think he might be the new Darth Vader-like dude in the poster and trailers.

This was my thought as well.
Glad I wasn't the only one that thought of it.

--Patrick

Oct 20, 2015#416

Sparhawk

ThatNickGuy said:
There's actually some speculation around this already. Some are speculating...

...that he's actually the villain of the film in some way, shape, or form. Some even think he might be the new Darth Vader-like dude in the poster and trailers.

That's my thought, Luke is Kylo Ren. He's the only one that makes sense to have Vader's burned helmet.

Also, I have the feeling that the Empire has done lots of propaganda to "cover up" the Rebellion ever happening, possibly even that there used to be tons of Force users running around.

Oct 20, 2015#417

@Li3n

Ok, am i the only one that remembers the robot hand on R2-D2? I mean really, who else could it be?

Oct 20, 2015#418

Hailey Knight

PatrThom said:
This was my thought as well.
Glad I wasn't the only one that thought of it.

--Patrick

Likewise, also glad I'm not the only one speculating this.

Oct 20, 2015#419

ThatNickGuy

@Li3n said:
Ok, am i the only one that remembers the robot hand on R2-D2? I mean really, who else could it be?

Isn't it obvious?

Oct 20, 2015#420

Shakey

Maybe...

Ren is actually finn's father! You can see where Ren pulls off his mask when he faces Finn in the lightsaber duel. It'll be just like the original trilogy!
:troll:

Oct 20, 2015#421

sixpackshaker

I think Luke will be the goal of the first film. Han helps the young force users find his little buddy.

Oct 20, 2015#422

Celt Z

I don't know how much of a sense of humor they have, but since they're obviously asking about how the Empire was taken down, I would LOVE to see Han Solo deliver an annoyed mention that they couldn't have done it without the Ewoks. Harrison Ford wouldn't even have to act.

Oct 20, 2015#423

ScytheRexx

Luke isn't Kylo Ren.

JJ Abrams went on record to say that Kylo Ren isn't even a Sith, he is a skilled fighter under the Supreme Leader of the First Order, which is basically what remains of the Empire (the Empire itself is long gone).
Plus I am pretty sure we already have a picture of the guy, who is played by Adam Driver. JJ Abrams also said that Kylo Ren was not even born till after the events of Episode 6.

JJ Abrams hinted that much of the First Order are basically fanatics who admire the lost Empire, with Darth Vader himself being seen as a Martyr, an almost holy figure, which would go a long way to explain Kylo Ren having such an odd devotion to him and what he stood for as the enforcer of the Empire, influencing everything down to his dark clothes and creepy cosplay mask.

My own little theory, one that I have seen a lot of other people catching onto recently, is that Rey and Kylo Ren are the children of Han and Leia. This would make Darth Vader the grandfather of Kylo Ren, which would push the family connection further, and would keep the overall story about the legacy of the Skywalker family, this time rather then being an internal struggle (Anakin) or one between father and son (Luke and Vader), it will become a conflict between brother and sister (Rey and Kylo). It is likely that Luke, presented as a wanderer, will take up the same role as his mentor, Obi-Wan, and will train Rey (and Finn) so that they can fight the First Order and defeat Kylo Ren.

Oct 21, 2015#424

Ravenpoe

ScytheRexx said:
Luke isn't Kylo Ren.

JJ Abrams went on record to say that Kylo Ren isn't even a Sith, he is a skilled fighter under the Supreme Leader of the First Order, which is basically what remains of the Empire (the Empire itself is long gone).
Plus I am pretty sure we already have a picture of the guy, who is played by Adam Driver. JJ Abrams also said that Kylo Ren was not even born till after the events of Episode 6.

JJ Abrams hinted that much of the First Order are basically fanatics who admire the lost Empire, with Darth Vader himself being seen as a Martyr, an almost holy figure, which would go a long way to explain Kylo Ren having such an odd devotion to him and what he stood for as the enforcer of the Empire, influencing everything down to his dark clothes and creepy cosplay mask.

My own little theory, one that I have seen a lot of other people catching onto recently, is that Rey and Kylo Ren are the children of Han and Leia. This would make Darth Vader the grandfather of Kylo Ren, which would push the family connection further, and would keep the overall story about the legacy of the Skywalker family, this time rather then being an internal struggle (Anakin) or one between father and son (Luke and Vader), it will become a conflict between brother and sister (Rey and Kylo). It is likely that Luke, presented as a wanderer, will take up the same role as his mentor, Obi-Wan, and will train Rey (and Finn) so that they can fight the First Order and defeat Kylo Ren.

To be fair, Abrams also said Benedict Cumberbatch wasn't Khan

Oct 21, 2015#425

Frank

Yeah, you can't trust a word he says about his movies.

Oct 21, 2015#426

ScytheRexx

Ravenpoe said:
To be fair, Abrams also said Benedict Cumberbatch wasn't Khan

It's a bit different though when you actually have both the actor that plays Luke, Mark Hamil, and another actor playing Kylo Ren, Adam Driver. It would be like having Benedict Cumberbach and then somehow morphing him into Ricardo Montalbán right in the movie, which would be utterly silly. Or have Jedi now learned morphing powers? (We know it's Adam Driver because even in the trailer we can see his dark, poofy hair when he attacks Finn.)

Oct 21, 2015#427

Dei

Click for trauma, I didn't show the picture on purpose.

http://imgur.com/ETYXqkF

Oct 21, 2015#428

GasBandit

Dei said:
Click for trauma, I didn't show the picture on purpose.

http://imgur.com/ETYXqkF

DO NOT WANT

Oct 21, 2015#429

blotsfan

The alliance between Ewoks and Gungans is going to bring about a new order in the galaxy!

Oct 21, 2015#430

bhamv3

Dei said:
Click for trauma, I didn't show the picture on purpose.

http://imgur.com/ETYXqkF

Oh dear god... I would willingly wade through ten petabytes of Luke-Threepio rule 34 pictures just to get this mental image out of my head.

Oct 21, 2015#431

sixpackshaker

bhamv3 said:
Oh dear god... I would willingly wade through ten petabytes of Luke-Threepio rule 34 pictures just to get this mental image out of my head.

OK now for the first image on that list.

I even had that card in my ~~erection~~, err collection.

Oct 22, 2015#432

PatrThom

sixpackshaker said:
I even had that card in my ~~erection~~, err collection.

I'm sure its value has gone steadily upwards since then.

--Patrick

Oct 22, 2015#433

Frank

JJ Abrams and Mark Hamill talk about playing an evil Luke Skywalker....10 FUCKIN' YEARS AGO!

Oct 22, 2015#434

strawman

The trailer music only edit, substantially better:

Oct 22, 2015#435

ScytheRexx

Frank said:
JJ Abrams and Mark Hamill talk about playing an evil Luke Skywalker....10 FUCKIN' YEARS AGO!

To be fair, that was pretty much just Mark Hamill and Kevin Smith. JJ didn't even say a single word during the conversation, so saying they talked about playing an evil Luke Skywalker is a bit misleading. Though it does make you wonder if Mark's opinion on an evil Luke will be remembered by JJ after all these years.

Oct 23, 2015#436

ncts_dodge_man

And now for the trolling promo...

Oct 23, 2015#437

blotsfan

I actually wonder what the original plan for Jar Jar was. Lucas clearly wanted him to be a major part of the prequels and just drastically cut his time because everyone hated him.

Oct 23, 2015#438

Bubble181

Eh, he's the fleshy counterpart to C-3PO. Bumbling sidekick with quirky mannerisms, is ultimately quite important to the plot but generally shoved aside in favor of humans/heroes. I'm no fan of his, far from it, but his "role" is pretty standard. The humor was a bit too slapstick, perhaps, and too easy and just-slightly-racist, but really, if you look at the OT the humor between C-3Po and R2-D2 isn't always of the very highest order, either. He was more a lightning rod that attracted all of the ire and all of the let-down after TPM came out, and fans had forgotten some of the crappier, more child-friendly parts of the OT. Given the chocie between the Ewoks and the Gungans, I'd really be hard-pressed to call the Gungans the "worse" race. Jar-jar is a C-3PO/Ewok hybrid. Hated by the vocal fans, liked by a lot of people who like the easier humor and don't want to think too much, easy for merchandising (which wasn't fully done with JJ because of the backlash, I think). His role as intended was probably pretty much what it was - the doofus who hands power to Palpatine. His appearances were probably scaled back a bit, though, only to be replaced with one more scene of Anakin proving that given the wrong lines, even Nathalie Portman can't save a romance

Nov 1, 2015#439

Hailey Knight

Has anyone read this lengthy, insane, and sincere essay on Jar Jar Binks? Here is the opening snippet/aka introduction:

"Here I will seek to establish that Jar Jar Binks, far from being simply the bumbling idiot he portrays himself as, is in fact a highly skilled force user in terms of martial ability and mind control.
Furthermore, I assert that he was not, as many people assume, just an unwitting political tool manipulated by Palpatine-- rather, he and Palpatine were likely in collaboration from the very beginning, and it's entirely possible that Palpatine was a subordinate underling to Binks throughout both trilogies.
And finally, given the above, I will conclude with an argument as to why I believe it is not only possible, but plausible that Jar Jar will make a profound impact on the upcoming movies, and what his role may be."

Nov 1, 2015#440

Frank

Bullet in my brain if true.

Nov 2, 2015#441

fade

Zero Esc said:
Has anyone read this lengthy, insane, and sincere essay on Jar Jar Binks? Here is the opening snippet/aka introduction:

"Here I will seek to establish that Jar Jar Binks, far from being simply the bumbling idiot he portrays himself as, is in fact a highly skilled force user in terms of martial ability and mind control.
Furthermore, I assert that he was not, as many people assume, just an unwitting political tool manipulated by Palpatine-- rather, he and Palpatine were likely in collaboration from the very beginning, and it's entirely possible that Palpatine was a subordinate underling to Binks throughout both trilogies.
And finally, given the above, I will conclude with an argument as to why I believe it is not only possible, but plausible that Jar Jar will make a profound impact on the upcoming movies, and what his role may be."

I actually liked that essay. It made sense from a Lucas POV.

Nov 2, 2015#442

GasBandit

Nov 2, 2015#443

Dei

GasBandit said:

This is one of those things I bitch about all the time.

Nov 2, 2015#444

GasBandit

Dei said:
This is one of those things I bitch about all the time.

Just more evidence that Lucas did NOT have it all planned out ahead of time and made the prequel trilogy out of whole cloth years after the fact.

Nov 2, 2015#445

AshburnerX

GasBandit said:
Just more evidence that Lucas did NOT have it all planned out ahead of time and made the prequel trilogy out of whole cloth years after the fact.

It's really a non-issue unless you're from Corusant or something. Considering the low numbers of the Jedi (we're talking maybe a few hundred to a few thousand in an entire galaxy full of TRILLIONS of people) it's unlikely most civilians ever actually met a real Jedi and the few non-clone forces that met them are likely dead by the hands of the Empire or the Trade Federation. Yes, there are probably videos of it but videos can be faked and nothing a Jedi can do is something that couldn't be done with a special effects department in a holovid studio. As such, it's entirely likely that anyone who hasn't actually met one probably thinks that the rumors of their powers are, in fact, just rumors after they got annihilated by mere clone troopers.

The matter of them being public record becomes even murkier when you realize that the Empire controls the records. Why would you believe them if they told you that they killed a bunch of dangerous space wizards who don't exist anymore... except the one working for them who could just be a walking propaganda piece? Remember, no one KNOWS that Palpatine is a Sith except his must trusted associates and it's likely no one knows of Lord Vader as Anakin Skywalker anymore except people who knew him in life. For all most people know, Lord Vader might just have been a psycho in a costume killing people with a weird laser sword as public intimidation.

So really... why WOULD anyone believe in them? If they were so powerful, why did they lose to a bunch of guys with guns?

Nov 2, 2015#446

fade

In AOTC, Windu says "take ALL of the remaining Jedi to help Obi Wan". There weren't many. And they managed to get their asses handed to them by battle droids that even Jar Jar was able to beat.

Nov 2, 2015#447

GasBandit

AshburnerX said:
It's really a non-issue unless you're from Corusant or something. Considering the low numbers of the Jedi (we're talking maybe a few hundred to a few thousand in an entire galaxy full of TRILLIONS of people) it's unlikely most civilians ever actually met a real Jedi and the few non-clone forces that met them are likely dead by the hands of the Empire or the Trade Federation.

We're not talking civilians here, though, we're talking General Motti, a high ranking Admiral (yes, I know, but again, LUCAS) in the Imperial Navy, tied for second highest ranking officer on the Death Star after Grand Moff Tarkin. You'd think maybe he was a little more well informed.

Nov 2, 2015#448

Null

None of the numbers involved in the Clone Wars make any sense. Basically, at Geonosis, there were around 10,000 Jedi, and 1.8 million clone troopers were deployed. 700,000 clones were killed or wounded, and a significant number of Jedi; hundreds at least. By the time Order 66 was given, 3 millions clones were in service. Those numbers are Word of Lucas, nevermind that they're nowhere near enough to wage a galactic war on hundreds of fronts. But then, large scale conflict was largely unknown - the Trade Federation attack on Naboo was a generally small engagement and that was considered a galactic crisis.

Given that Jedi were used as envoys, diplomats, troubleshooters, and representatives of the Galactic Republic up until Order 66, it's absurd to think that people were unaware of them.

Nov 2, 2015#449

Bubble181

Still doesn't explain how some things can be "common knowledge" and later, not. "I'm Toydarian. Jedi Mind tricks don't work on me". You'd think 20 years later, you know, when the same Toydarians are still alive, they'd still know those mind tricks are real.

The move from "pretty much the Republican answer to the CIA" to "fabled religious order" can certainly happen....But not in 20 years, with races living well in excess of a hundred years. It just makes no sense. Jedi weren't barely known, even if there were few of them. TPM, two Jedi come to negotiate, and everyone is well aware they're Jedi and what that means.

It'd have made more sense if no-one believed in Jedi anymore because they'd died out, not because they're an archaic religion without anything to show for it. Certainly given the fact there are Force-sensitive races who can just plain prove it's real.

Nov 2, 2015#450

Null

Bubble181 said:
Still doesn't explain how some things can be "common knowledge" and later, not. "I'm Toydarian. Jedi Mind tricks don't work on me". You'd think 20 years later, you know, when the same Toydarians are still alive, they'd still know those mind tricks are real.

The move from "pretty much the Republican answer to the CIA" to "fabled religious order" can certainly happen....But not in 20 years, with races living well in excess of a hundred years. It just makes no sense. Jedi weren't barely known, even if there were few of them. TPM, two Jedi come to negotiate, and everyone is well aware they're Jedi and what that means.

It'd have made more sense if no-one believed in Jedi anymore because they'd died out, not because they're an archaic religion without anything to show for it. Certainly given the fact there are Force-sensitive races who can just plain prove it's real.

Yeah, that's the other thing. There are entire races of force-sensitives - the Miraluka, for example. And all the aboriginal inhabitants of Haruun Kal are force adepts, too.

The equivalent would be finding out someone was, say, a Knight Templar. If you're in the 16th or later centuries, yeah, that would be extremely hard to believe. If it's, say, 1330, well, not so much.

Nov 2, 2015#451

AshburnerX

GasBandit said:
We're not talking civilians here, though, we're talking General Motti, a high ranking Admiral (yes, I know, but again, LUCAS) in the Imperial Navy, tied for second highest ranking officer on the Death Star after Grand Moff Tarkin. You'd think maybe he was a little more well informed.

You'd think so but if you look at other Expanded Universe stuff, it's really only the Emperor's Hands (force sensitives) and his Imperial Inquisitors that are actually, 100%, in the know. The Sith have been treating the Imperials like pets and such since back in the Old Republic... the only reason they were more in the know then is because the Sith and Jedi were EVERYWHERE.

Nov 2, 2015#452

PatrThom

GasBandit said:
We're not talking civilians here, though, we're talking General Motti, a high ranking Admiral (yes, I know, but again, LUCAS) in the Imperial Navy, tied for second highest ranking officer on the Death Star after Grand Moff Tarkin. You'd think maybe he was a little more well informed.

And I would, yes. But we have high-ranking people who still think that terrorist vaccines cause climate change, and all that.

--Patrick

Nov 2, 2015#453

blotsfan

And why would Han Solo say that the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel run in 12 parsecs when a parsec is a unit of time, not distance?*

* I know the explanation. Just making a point.

Nov 2, 2015#454

GasBandit

blotsfan said:
And why would Han Solo say that the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel run in 12 parsecs when a parsec is a unit of time, not distance?*

* I know the explanation. Just making a point.

Let's be honest... the explanation that everybody ties themselves into knots to make is really just desperate flailing to cover the fact that Lucas often wrote terrible dialog and couldn't be corrected.

Nov 2, 2015#455

Bubble181

GasBandit said:
Let's be honest... the explanation that everybody ties themselves into knots to make is really just desperate flailing to cover the fact that Lucas often wrote terrible dialog and couldn't be corrected.

And it's still a better explanation than midichlorians

Nov 2, 2015#456

Hailey Knight

I don't see it worth the effort trying to help the prequels make sense.

Nov 3, 2015#457

blotsfan

GasBandit said:
Let's be honest... the explanation that everybody ties themselves into knots to make is really just desperate flailing to cover the fact that Lucas often wrote terrible dialog and couldn't be corrected.

I actually always thought of it as Han Solo bullshitting to try to get money out of obi wan and luke.

Nov 3, 2015#458

fade

The whole timing thing doesn't make any sense, so I just decided to stop thinking about it because I love Star Wars otherwise. Look at Obi Wan himself. From 35 to 75 in 20 years. Those were some rough years on Tatooine. I always had the impression the Clone Wars happened 50 years or so before we meet Luke, and now it's still going on when Luke is born. In personal perspective, it went from WWII to Vietnam, which was weird.

Nov 3, 2015#459

Covar

Honestly the tiny 2 meter wide exhaust port was always what bugged me the most about A New Hope.

Nov 3, 2015#460

AshburnerX

Covar said:
Honestly the tiny 2 meter wide exhaust port was always what bugged me the most about A New Hope.

That's actually based on a real world dam that was destroyed in WW2. The simplest way to take it out was to hit a small area on the side of the dam, but the approach was basically suicide. They ended up barrel bombing it eventually in a method similar to the movie.

Nov 3, 2015#461

Hailey Knight

You could always just ... you know ... ignore the prequels when watching the OT. The styles and quality are so different that they're almost two different series anyway.

Nov 3, 2015#462

Null

AshburnerX said:
That's actually based on a real world dam that was destroyed in WW2. The simplest way to take it out was to hit a small area on the side of the dam, but the approach was basically suicide. They ended up barrel bombing it eventually in a method similar to the movie.

Operation Chastise. The best way to destroy a dam is to hit it with a gigantic bomb. Since the Allies didn't have a bomber that could carry a large enough bomb at the time, precision explosions on the inside of the wall, under the water line, were considered to be the answer. The Germans knew this, and had torpedo nets in the reservoirs. Basically the British developed a sort of back-spinning depth charge that would skip across the surface of the water to avoid the nets, then drop towards the bottom of the dam's inner wall and detonate. The bomber had an extremely narrow window to launch the bomb in order for it to skip and sink correctly - if it was too far, it would just blow up in the water without damaging the dam; too close, and it would hit the dam above the water line, doing minimal damage (ie Red Leader's "No good, just peckin' on the surface" bit). The launch window might well have been not much bigger than 2 meters.

Nov 3, 2015#463

evilmike

Honest trailers weighs in:

Nov 4, 2015#464

Dei

So I got tickets to see it on the 19th. That's kind of ignoring the hype right? :/

I'm not rushing out to see it at the 7:30 time on the 17th but having to sit in the front row, which was actually an option.

Nov 4, 2015#465

Hailey Knight

Dei said:
So I got tickets to see it on the 19th. That's kind of ignoring the hype right? :/

I'm not rushing out to see it at the 7:30 time on the 17th but having to sit in the front row, which was actually an option.

Hell, I am part of the hype and we're not going until the 19th. Pre-screening and opening night are going to be a zoo; I don't need to be in there for that.

Although I'm starting to wonder if I should be buying tickets ahead of time just to be sure we get to go that weekend.

Nov 5, 2015#466

Dave

http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/11/lucasfilm-shows-the-force-awakens-to-daniel-fleetwood/

Good for them!

Nov 5, 2015#467

jwhouk

Why linky so slow?

Nov 5, 2015#468

PatrThom

jwhouk said:
Why linky so slow?

Demand.

--Patrick

Nov 6, 2015#469

Bubble181

Dave said:
http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/11/lucasfilm-shows-the-force-awakens-to-daniel-fleetwood/

Good for them!

Good on them, and all that, but I keep thinking - imagine you were the greatest biggest Star Wars fan ever, and you were dying... and you got a shot at seeing the New Star Wars! And you get....The Phantom Menace. Jeeze.

Nov 6, 2015#470

General Specific

Bubble181 said:
Good on them, and all that, but I keep thinking - imagine you were the greatest biggest Star Wars fan ever, and you were dying... and you got a shot at seeing the New Star Wars! And you get....The Phantom Menace. Jeeze.

You just described the plot to Fanboys.

Nov 6, 2015#471

Bubble181

General Specific said:
You just described the plot to Fanboys.

....

In my defense, I've never seen it, or heard of it before this thread.

Nov 6, 2015#472

General Specific

It's a pretty decent movie, check it out if you've got a chance.

Nov 6, 2015#473

chris

New international trailer with new scenes

The scene at 1:30, Rey cries over something furry what looks like it wearing a metal belt, so Chewie dies I guess?

Nov 6, 2015#474

fade

The international trailer is so boring. Why'd they do that?

Nov 6, 2015#475

Bubble181

fade said:
The international trailer is so boring. Why'd they do that?

Choose Your Destiny:

Because they hate us internationals

Because it's illegal to show dishonest trailers in some countries, they had to make a boring trailer for a boring movie

Nov 6, 2015#476

@Li3n

Null said:
The launch window might well have been not much bigger than 2 meters.

So what you're saying is... that the british had jedi pilots in WW2... well, that does explain the battle of britain, i guess.

Nov 6, 2015#477

Celt Z

chris said:
The scene at 1:30, Rey cries over something furry what looks like it wearing a metal belt, so Chewie dies I guess?

DAMN YOU, R.A. SALVATORE!!!! DAMN YOU TO HELLLLLLLLLL!!!!!

Nov 6, 2015#478

General Specific

Harrison Ford saying this makes me believe it really is good. He is notorious for not wanting to come back during the original trilogy (after all, it was why Han was frozen in Carbonite), so for him to say this, I believe, means that the movie is going to be simply amazing.

Nov 6, 2015#479

IronBrig4

At 1:21 in the Japanese trailer, you can hear the Wilhelm Scream. Poor Wilhelm has died so many times.

Nov 6, 2015#480

PatrThom

IronBrig4 said:
At 1:21 in the Japanese trailer, you can hear the Wilhelm Scream. Poor Wilhelm has died so many times.

On the contrary. He probably hasn't died yet, since we've had to listen to his agonized screaming since 1951.

--Patrick

Nov 6, 2015#481

blotsfan

It wouldn't be a Star Wars movie without the Wilhelm Scream.

Nov 7, 2015#482

Dei

My friends have Christmas plans to get drunk and walk to the movie theater to watch it. I am kind of sad that I have family responsibilities on Christmas Day.

Nov 7, 2015#483

blotsfan

Dei said:
My friends have Christmas plans to get drunk and walk to the movie theater to watch it. I am kind of sad that I have family responsibilities on Christmas Day.

Benefits of being Jewish

Nov 8, 2015#484

ThatNickGuy

General Specific said:
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Harrison Ford saying this makes me believe it really is good. He is notorious for not wanting to come back during the original trilogy (after all, it was why Han was frozen in Carbonite), so for him to say this, I believe, means that the movie is going to be simply amazing.

I always have a hard time believing statements like this. We've seen plenty of people involved in a movie praise it to end before it comes out and as they promote it. Then, in retrospect, they'll slam it, call it a mistake in their career, etc.

Im not saying Ford is lying. It could very well be great. But it's tough taking these kinds of statements seriously anymore when it could be just promotional hype.

Nov 8, 2015#485

Ravenpoe

ThatNickGuy said:
I always have a hard time believing statements like this. We've seen plenty of people involved in a movie praise it to end before it comes out and as they promote it. Then, in retrospect, they'll slam it, call it a mistake in their career, etc.

Im not saying Ford is lying. It could very well be great. But it's tough taking these kinds of statements seriously anymore when it could be just promotional hype.

I think it has more to do with his history. In the past, he had absolutely no problem making his dislike of Star Wars known, and just refused to have anything to do with it.

Nov 8, 2015#486

General Specific

1st tv spot has been released and more new scenes!

Nov 8, 2015#487

GasBandit

General Specific said:
1st tv spot has been released and more new scenes!

Nov 8, 2015#488

Ravenpoe

So, I have a theory, and I don't think a fan theory can really be a spoiler, but I'll spoiler it anyway.

I think the girl (I think her name is Rey?) and the badguy (Kylo Ren?) are connected in some way. The poster seems to imply some sort of connection in how they're placed,

Look at that shit. Everyone is looking to the right, except for Kylo and Rey, with their weapons being parallel and Kylo almost looking like her shadow.

Ok, that Poe guy is looking left, but that's because anyone named Poe is awesome.

The original teaser trailer also has Luke doing a voiceover, saying "The force runs strong in my family. My father had it, I have it, my sister has it. You have it too." This strongly implies he's talking to a family member, which would either have to be his child, which is doubtful as it sounds like someone he's just meeting, or Leia's child. I know they're not pulling from the expanded universe anymore, but that doesn't mean they can't borrow ideas, and I think Rey and Kylo are secretly the Solo kids. This would also explain Kylo's obsession with Darth Vader, if it was his grandfather.

That, and Star Wars has always loved family dynastic type stuff.

Nov 8, 2015#489

bhamv3

Ravenpoe said:
So, I have a theory, and I don't think a fan theory can really be a spoiler, but I'll spoiler it anyway.

I think the girl (I think her name is Rey?) and the badguy (Kylo Ren?) are connected in some way. The poster seems to imply some sort of connection in how they're placed,

Look at that shit. Everyone is looking to the right, except for Kylo and Rey, with their weapons being parallel and Kylo almost looking like her shadow.

Ok, that Poe guy is looking left, but that's because anyone named Poe is awesome.

The original teaser trailer also has Luke doing a voiceover, saying "The force runs strong in my family. My father had it, I have it, my sister has it. You have it too." This strongly implies he's talking to a family member, which would either have to be his child, which is doubtful as it sounds like someone he's just meeting, or Leia's child. I know they're not pulling from the expanded universe anymore, but that doesn't mean they can't borrow ideas, and I think Rey and Kylo are secretly the Solo kids. This would also explain Kylo's obsession with Darth Vader, if it was his grandfather.

That, and Star Wars has always loved family dynastic type stuff.

So... Kylo's real name is Kylo Solo?

Nov 8, 2015#490

strawman

Her friends call her KS or just Kansas.

Nov 8, 2015#491

Covar

General Specific said:
1st tv spot has been released and more new scenes!

New scenes, who needs to buy tickets? By the time the talk show circuit starts we will have seen it all!

Nov 9, 2015#492

General Specific

Well, we don't know the full story yet, just the scenes. This way we are less interested in the visuals and will concentrate on the story more.

Brilliant move, JJ!

Nov 14, 2015#493

Celt Z

I just bought our tickets for opening weekend. It feels so weird that I have to buy tickets for a movie more than a month ahead of time. Granted, part of that reason is to make sure we have babysitting lined up, but the more pressing reason is that seats are already selling out/sold out.

I'm still deciding if I like this new system of prearranged seating. On one hand, it gets really hard to get tickets the day of a show, especially if you want to sit together (we had that issue for Jurassic World), but on the other hand,with a little planning, you don't have to show up and be told things are sold out or cross you fingers that you'll find seats together. Ah well; Mr. Z and I still a few years away from spur-of-the-moment movie viewing, anyway.

Nov 14, 2015#494

Dei

I love prearranged seating just because it means that I don't have to show up ridiculously early to make sure I have somewhere to sit that isn't the front row. Walking into the theater as the show is starting is the biggest perk.

Nov 14, 2015#495

fade

Meh. A week out of release date now and the theater is dead. I'll just wait for that.

Nov 14, 2015#496

Celt Z

fade said:
Meh. A week out of release date now and the theater is dead. I'll just wait for that.

I would, but last time I did that, I got the one surprise in the movie spoiled for me. I've been actively avoiding spoilers/certain discussions this time because I want to go in and be surprised. I'll probably avoid this thread opening weekend until after I go.

Nov 16, 2015#497

strawman

Celt Z said:
I've been actively avoiding spoilers

bhamv3 said:
On the planet that turned out to be Earth, Luke's father, Snape, killed Trinity with Rosebud, but it turns out they're both Tyler Durden, though one of them, Khan, was a ghost all along, and Trinity was a man from a different timeline, who wasn't baptized - but it wasn't actually a game after all, so Maggie shot Burns after descending from the ceiling and stabbing him with a long-ass sword.

Nov 16, 2015#498

Celt Z

You know I'm not going to click that, right?

Nov 16, 2015#499

strawman

Celt Z said:
You know I'm not going to click that, right?

I know!

Nov 17, 2015#500

blotsfan

In exactly one month I will be watching Star Wars Episode 7.

What a time to be alive.

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