[Movies] Star Wars Ep. VIII has a name...

Jay

Jay

Frank said:
From mai point of view the jedi are evil!

That's terrible writing Anakin!
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Yea, I cringed at that part. Amateur writing with easy fix which can turn it around on a dime.

"There's no such thing as good or evil Obi Wan... only the republic. Join us or die Jedi!"

or

"This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything useful to the discussion. Die Jedi SCUM!"[DOUBLEPOST=1485322134,1485322020][/DOUBLEPOST]
Zero Esc said:
Lucas was a fucking garbage director and a hack editor.
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When his wife died, he was only surrounded by yes men. No one challenged him, no one dared to defy him. He was a very powerful man.
 
Just Me

Just Me

Jay said:
I know people had their qualms with 7 but I really liked it and after Rogue One, I think Disney can do Star Wars right or at least much better than Lucas did in the last 30 years he had the franchise.
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Absolutely with you on this!
 
drawn_inward

drawn_inward

Jay said:
When his wife died, he was only surrounded by yes men. No one challenged him, no one dared to defy him. He was a very powerful man.
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He made the OT, American Graffiti, founded THX, Indiana Jones, Oscar noms, made tons of $$$. So, it's not like he didn't have any cred. How do you tell someone so successful that their ideas are bad?

In retrospect, it would have been way better if Lucas paired up with a strong producer like Kathleen Kennedy than McCallum. So, you're right, he probably did surround himself with Yes men, but can you blame him?
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

drawn_inward said:
He made the OT, American Graffiti, founded THX, Indiana Jones, Oscar noms, made tons of $$$. So, it's not like he didn't have any cred. How do you tell someone so successful that their ideas are bad?
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"made" is probably more accurate.

The OT seems to have been good despite Lucas. He only directed the first one and it was apparently a mess before his wife did the editing herself. You can thank her for the Death Star trench climax turning out so well. The sequels had less to do with Lucas, particularly Empire. While Lucas came up with the idea of Indiana Jones, it was Spielberg who made the movies, often while nixing Lucas's bad ideas. The only one where he let Lucas have his way was Crystal Skull and ... yeah.

But he gained a rep for a lot of other people's talent and didn't want to hear shit from anyone, so things went the way they did.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

I think that's selling Lucas short. He's come up with some great ideas over his career and while he needs someone to refine them, his success is a lot of his merit.
 
Jay

Jay

drawn_inward said:
He made the OT, American Graffiti, founded THX, Indiana Jones, Oscar noms, made tons of $$$. So, it's not like he didn't have any cred. How do you tell someone so successful that their ideas are bad?

In retrospect, it would have been way better if Lucas paired up with a strong producer like Kathleen Kennedy than McCallum. So, you're right, he probably did surround himself with Yes men, but can you blame him?
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After enduring The Phantom Menace? Yes.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

blotsfan said:
I think that's selling Lucas short. He's come up with some great ideas over his career and while he needs someone to refine them, his success is a lot of his merit.
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Shorter version of what I typed before editing: I'm not saying Lucas isn't an artist. Lucas is definitely an artist. But so's my 2-year-old nephew.
 
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Just Me

Just Me

Lucas can come up with great ideas (though he not always does), but he should better leave the execution to others. Because this way we get three good Indiana Jones movies and the OT, otherwise we get the prequels...

As already has been mentioned, the man himself wasn't responsible for EpIV's final cut, Irvin Kershner didn't let him meddle with EpV, and Lucas chose a weaker director for EpVI. And when he did the prequels it was as said above. 'I gonna make great movie, the greatest movie ever, and it will be marvelous!' *sycophants applaud*
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Since someone mentioned Ahsoka last page... you might want to watch Season 2 of Rebels. Also Kanan and Ezra, but I'm assuming something happens with THEM by the time of the Rebels finale.

Basically, the only possible Jedi still around (other than Luke or new ones) are all on Rebels. Everyone else abandoned the order or are dead.
 
Just Me

Just Me

AshburnerX said:
Since someone mentioned Ahsoka last page... you might want to watch Season 2 of Rebels. Also Kanan and Ezra, but I'm assuming something happens with THEM by the time of the Rebels finale.

Basically, the only possible Jedi still around (other than Luke or new ones) are all on Rebels. Everyone else abandoned the order or are dead.
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I love Rebels. Was kinda sceptical as I never really became interested in Clone Wars, but that might have been because that show had the spirit of the prequels hanging over them. Rebels though caught me fair and square and made me binge-watch season 1 after the first episode. Same then with season 2 as soon as I got the DVD. Just like Rogue One it's got that good ol' Star wars feeling we had when playing West End Game's D6 RPG.
 
phil

phil

I feel like you'd say 'the last of the jedi' in that case. Like, the last jedi feels like we're talking about one person.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

Dave said:
I rather doubt that they mean plural. Otherwise there could be thousands and call them the Last Jedi.
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You say that like it's a bad thing...

I for one wouldn't mind a decent cinematic take on a squad of lightsaber wielding bad-asses...

Then again, i'd prefer it be set in KotOR times...

phil said:
I feel like you'd say 'the last of the jedi' in that case.
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Wasn't the Last of the Mohicans one guy (because he became the last once his son died without issue, and he was like 2 old)?
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Gruebeard said:
huh? That scene is in 5.
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Exactly. You start to watch with episode 4, then 5 where the "No, *I* am your father!" reveal happens, *then* you watch the prequel trilogy as a "flashback" explaining how Anakin Skywalker came to be Darth Vader, then wrap it up with RotJ.

If you watch them in episode order, "I AM YOUR FATHER" just gets a big "duh" from the audience.

And if you're not watching the no-cheese fan edit of ep 1, you can skip that one entirely.
 
Gruebeard

Gruebeard

Tress said:
Maybe he was suggesting a dramatic cliffhanger in the middle of 5, watching the other 3, and then jumping back into the end of 5?
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GasBandit said:
Exactly. You start to watch with episode 4, then 5 where the "No, *I* am your father!" reveal happens, *then* you watch the prequel trilogy as a "flashback" explaining how Anakin Skywalker came to be Darth Vader, then wrap it up with RotJ.

If you watch them in episode order, "I AM YOUR FATHER" just gets a big "duh" from the audience.

And if you're not watching the no-cheese fan edit of ep 1, you can skip that one entirely.
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Oh, okay. I guess it's just my natural inclination to watch them in order of release, so I didn't really contemplate starting with episode 1.

(Also because starting with episode 1 really ought to result in not watching anything past the first half of episode 1)
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Gruebeard said:
That would be a neat way to do it.[DOUBLEPOST=1485470916,1485470778][/DOUBLEPOST]
Oh, okay. I guess it's just my natural inclination to watch them in order of release, so I didn't really contemplate starting with episode 1.

(Also because starting with episode 1 really ought to result in not watching anything past the first half of episode 1)
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There was a big discussion, or maybe it was an article, I forget, about what the best way was to show the Star Wars movies to someone who had never watched them before.

Some said "release" order, 4-5-6-1-2-3

Some said "episode" order, 1-2-3-4-5-6

Most favored "flashback" order, 4-5-1-2-3-6.

My opinion was "Flashback minus 1" order, where you go 4-5-2-3-6 and just pretend 1 never existed.

Of course, now I'd say the real debate is, where do you watch Rogue One in that order? Before 4, or after 3? I'd say before 4, but watching RO first might make the original trilogy look really dated.
 
evilmike

evilmike

GasBandit said:
There was a big discussion, or maybe it was an article, I forget, about what the best way was to show the Star Wars movies to someone who had never watched them before.

Some said "release" order, 4-5-6-1-2-3

Some said "episode" order, 1-2-3-4-5-6

Most favored "flashback" order, 4-5-1-2-3-6.

My opinion was "Flashback minus 1" order, where you go 4-5-2-3-6 and just pretend 1 never existed.

Of course, now I'd say the real debate is, where do you watch Rogue One in that order? Before 4, or after 3? I'd say before 4, but watching RO first might make the original trilogy look really dated.
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I don't know about that -- the motion capture work on Leia and Tarkin improves considerably in 4.
 
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@Li3n

@Li3n

GasBandit said:
If you watch them in episode order, "I AM YOUR FATHER" just gets a big "duh" from the audience.
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Well Ep. 1 doesn't really reveal that he's gonna become Vader... 2 has the Sand People murder, which is more problematic... without it you could easily go 1-2-4-5-3-6;

Although i do guess that the lack of another apprentice for OB1 is a spoiler in itself.

Wouldn't it have been nice if Lucas had actually considered that?
 
Gruebeard

Gruebeard

GasBandit said:
My opinion was "Flashback minus 1" order, where you go 4-5-2-3-6 and just pretend 1 never existed.
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My opinion is R1-4-5-6-7 (Theatrical releases for all)

and just pretend Rogue One is the only prequel (so far, as I believe the next one is the story of how Han Solo became indebted to Jabba)
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

Staff member
Gruebeard said:
My opinion is R1-4-5-6-7 (Theatrical releases for all)

and just pretend Rogue One is the only prequel (so far, as I believe the next one is the story of how Han Solo became indebted to Jabba)
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Eh, 2 was ok, and 3 was actually halfway decent. 3 at least should be in there between 5 and 6.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Watching Rogue One before A New Hope makes it more difficult to sympathize with Luke at first. Poor farmer boy, now he's the hero, you have no idea what people went through to get this information.

My preferred order is just to watch them in theatrical order. There's no reason to play as if they knew better when releasing different things, so might as well watch them in the order they were thought up and came out. Same way I read the Narnia books.

There's a lot of shit in Rogue One that assumes you've watched the other movies anyway.
 
klew

klew

The "Last" could mean the previous Jedi (Luke), not the final one, the way Obama is the last president, Trump is the current one, PS3/X360 is last-gen.
 
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