[TV] Talk about the last TV you watched, the catchall thread

"Our show is being watched, but it's by girls--eww, cooties. Cancel that shit."
Marketing really hasn't caught up to the 00's Gender Revolution and is still operating on data assumptions from the 80's and 90's. This is why some shows get bad tie in stuff (Airbender got a toyline that didn't jive with girls, who were a big part of demographic) and some shows have to fundamentally alter their marketing to make them palatable to kids (Adventure Time tried to sell Princess Bubblegum, LSP, and Marceline toys in pink packaging... boys wouldn't buy them because of this, even if they wanted the toys). This is why a lot of shows have started focusing more on stuff like T-shirts and high end vinyl figs: it costs you practically nothing to stick a design on a shirt and you can get new designs out in days if you need to, while vinyl figs go for a premium.

This doesn't mean that some shows still aren't having trouble with marketing. MLP: FiM makes tons of money from toys, clothes, and figures but it's a very firmly divided market between what the young girl fans want (ponies with hair to brush, pink dolls) and what the older fans want (show accurate figures, t-shirts, stuffed animals). Part of the reason why Korra got pushed to digital was to be able to use more adult oriented ads that they couldn't air on the channel proper without getting calls. Some shows, like Gravity Falls, have basically no merchandise and short runs despite massive views because their owners don't know what to DO with them. And some shows (like Metalocalypse) simply don't make enough period to keep them going because the network isn't willing to go in deep for stuff that fans actually want (full length albums, metal style shirts, more live shows).
 
"Our show is being watched, but it's by girls--eww, cooties. Cancel that shit."
And adults. YJ suffered (alongside it's second season) the same problem Legend of Korra had, The people watching didn't line up with who all the merch was made and marketed for. In Korra's case Nick had the foresight to recognize the problem and move the show around to locations where merchandising was less important than ratings. I know people complained about it moving online and jumping around, but if they hadn't the show probably wouldn't have made it to the ending.
 
And adults. YJ suffered (alongside it's second season) the same problem Legend of Korra had, The people watching didn't line up with who all the merch was made and marketed for. In Korra's case Nick had the foresight to recognize the problem and move the show around to locations where merchandising was less important than ratings. I know people complained about it moving online and jumping around, but if they hadn't the show probably wouldn't have made it to the ending.
IT was also a good experiment to see just how many people would be willing to watch it online. There's a reason why Nick and Cartoon Network have just about everything viewable from a tablet these days.[DOUBLEPOST=1440081527,1440081401][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's what I'm getting at, actually. They didn't make action play sets. There were no figures. And yet the series soldiers on and on and on instead of being canceled.

--Patrick
General Hospital has basically no budget and exists to sell commercial time to bored housewives during a time when they don't have much else to do (lunch time). They don't have to sell merch because they make enough with ads. Compare this to Young Justice, which cost over a million dollars an episode on animation alone.
 
Friend of mine really wants me to see Babylon 5, so last night we watched the pilot.

...

It was really bad you guys. Some really terrible acting. A large unnecessary side plot that could have been easily resolved, but winds up resolving itself with no help from the characters. JMS's signature awkward dialogue that no one in real life would ever actually utter aloud. Amiga rendered special effects that would look only look passable in a video game's cutscene, while only serving to make the rest of the show look like a low budget live action interactive video game (you know the ones). By the end of it even my friend was making fun of the episode.

I'm told it gets better, and I'm going to try and keep an open mind, but I'm having a hard time thinking I'll enjoy it. I'm not a fan of JMS's comic work (to be nice), and this is of course his show. That much is readily apparent from the pilot.
 
One thing that never gets better is the special effects. It looked terrible when it aired.[DOUBLEPOST=1441042197,1441042156][/DOUBLEPOST]That said I still dug the show, it gets into it's groove in the second season. First season is a slog.
 
One thing that never gets better is the special effects. It looked terrible when it aired.[DOUBLEPOST=1441042197,1441042156][/DOUBLEPOST]That said I still dug the show, it gets into it's groove in the second season. First season is a slog.
They're very jarring, and if they were the worst part of the pilot I wouldn't have been as concerned. I always try and give pilots (and to a degree the first season) of shows some leeway and a chance to grow.
 

GasBandit

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Friend of mine really wants me to see Babylon 5, so last night we watched the pilot.

...

It was really bad you guys. Some really terrible acting. A large unnecessary side plot that could have been easily resolved, but winds up resolving itself with no help from the characters. JMS's signature awkward dialogue that no one in real life would ever actually utter aloud. Amiga rendered special effects that would look only look passable in a video game's cutscene, while only serving to make the rest of the show look like a low budget live action interactive video game (you know the ones). By the end of it even my friend was making fun of the episode.

I'm told it gets better, and I'm going to try and keep an open mind, but I'm having a hard time thinking I'll enjoy it. I'm not a fan of JMS's comic work (to be nice), and this is of course his show. That much is readily apparent from the pilot.
Season One is kinda rough. Season 2 it starts to find its stride. Seasons 3 and 4 are fukken awesome. Season 5 is not as good.
 
So season 3 is when they get the Defiant I assume. :troll:

I'm really not surprised at all that Straczynski thought wasting the audience's time for an entire season was a good idea. After all he is the same person that would later think spending 12 issues having Superman going for a walk was something readers would be interested in seeing. At least Tron will show up at some point.
 
So season 3 is when they get the Defiant I assume. :troll:

I'm really not surprised at all that Straczynski thought wasting the audience's time for an entire season was a good idea. After all he is the same person that would later think spending 12 issues having Superman going for a walk was something readers would be interested in seeing. At least Tron will show up at some point.
You can't blame him entirely for the first season being assy. Most sci-fi tv series have assy first seasons.
 

GasBandit

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So season 3 is when they get the Defiant I assume. :troll:
Yeah, but in B5 they call it the White Star.

You joke, but S3 is when they introduced the White Star class of ships.

--Patrick
Oh, what he said.

You can't blame him entirely for the first season being assy. Most sci-fi tv series have assy first seasons.
ST:TNG's first season was nearly unwatchable. Remember what troi used to wear? Remember worf's red costume? Remember BEARDLESS RIKER?!
 

GasBandit

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As rough as B5's first season is, though, you still gotta watch it because there are plot points that come into play later in the series.
 
I've watched seasons three and four, but when I went back to watch season 1 when we got the DVD set, I fell asleep in mid episode a lot, not gonna lie.
 
I'm still a die hard fan and will defend B5 at every turn.

That said, there's a lot of season one that could've been improved by being, say, half as long.
 
That said, there's a lot of season one that could've been improved by being, say, half as long.

Heh, not even, 99% of the A plots in s1 where bad and had no impact on the story (i recall one about some boxer that literally bored me to tears), but once you see the whole series the B plots are so much more interesting in how well they set up things.[DOUBLEPOST=1441118544,1441118368][/DOUBLEPOST]
As rough as B5's first season is, though, you still gotta watch it because there are plot points that come into play later in the series.
Well you can just skip the parts with the story of the week / A plot for most episodes and just watch the B plots for that. There's like 2-3 episodes that are actually part of the story B5 was trying to tell.
 

GasBandit

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Heh, not even, 99% of the A plots in s1 where bad and had no impact on the story (i recall one about some boxer that literally bored me to tears)
"TKO" was that episode. It was made particularly excruciating given that it followed the most important episode of the season (plot development wise), Signs and Portents (Morden's arrival on B5, where he goes around asking every person of prominence "What do you want?" and becomes associated with Ambassador Mollari). That kind of stuff just leaves you hungry for more arc plot development, and instead it was immediately followed by throwaway filler.
 
On second viewing, though, I really do appreciate quite a few of those throwaway plots for how much they set up the world, characters, etc.

On fifth or sixth viewing,they're boring as fuck again :p
 

GasBandit

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On second viewing, though, I really do appreciate quite a few of those throwaway plots for how much they set up the world, characters, etc.

On fifth or sixth viewing,they're boring as fuck again :p
Really though, how often does the point need to be driven home that humans who live on earth are completely ethnocentric, provincial, xenophobic and nationalistic to the point of fascism? Because that's what most of the filler episodes are there to remind us about.
 
Really though, how often does the point need to be driven home that humans who live on earth are completely ethnocentric, provincial, xenophobic and nationalistic to the point of fascism? Because that's what most of the filler episodes are there to remind us about.
Since we're mostly still all ethnocentric, provincial, xenophobic and nationalistic to the point of fascism, the point wasn't made strong enough yet :p
Anyway, I was talking at least as much about the *other* races. Plenty of the side stories are about how Minbari or Narn or Centauri are different or similar from humans. Compare to Star Trek, where we mostly just get told Klingons are fierce and honorable warriors, but we end up with the Worf effect being so blatant it's even called the Worf effect. We get a lot more, and deeper, glimpses into slightly-alien-but-recognisable cultures in one season of B5 than we do in 7 seasons of TNG.
 

figmentPez

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(Posting this in the correct thread now)

Looking forward to the fall season, I checked out TV Guide's listing of Fall shows

Holy shit that's a lot of television...

What surprised me:

- Kristin Kreuk in a new CW show : Dear god, why? Oh, it's just another Beauty and the Beast series. HA! They think she can pull off playing a homicide detective!

- Powers, Fargo, Limitless, Minority Report, and From Dusk Til Dawn : I had no idea that any of these had been made into series.

- Uncle Buck : seriously? Based on the John Candy comedy? Okaaaaay....

- DC's Legends of Tomorrow : I seem to keep forgetting that this show is in the works.

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What I'm looking forward to:

New shows:
Supergirl (Oct 26)
Heroes Reborn (Sept 24)
The Muppets (Sept 22)

Returning:
Arrow(Oct 7), The Flash (Oct 6), Doctor Who (Sept 19), Grimm (Oct 30), Agent Carter (TBA), Agents of SHIELD (Sep 29), Once Upon a Time (Sep 27), Suits (TBA), DC's Legends of Tomorrow (TBA)
 
"TKO" was that episode. It was made particularly excruciating given that it followed the most important episode of the season (plot development wise), Signs and Portents (Morden's arrival on B5, where he goes around asking every person of prominence "What do you want?" and becomes associated with Ambassador Mollari). That kind of stuff just leaves you hungry for more arc plot development, and instead it was immediately followed by throwaway filler.
But i do seem to remember there being a B plot with Vir in it in the episode...
 
Hah. For our fall season we're getting:
Agent Carter S1
Forever S1 - pt 2 (just sad there's no S2)
Arrow S2 - pt 2
Suits S2

Man, our Fall line-up sucks. Also, still waiting on Flash, dammit.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
You guys see anything about the Shannara Chronicles on MTV?

I dunno about this... I mean, the first couple Shannara books were good, but then Brooks started phoning them in like he was getting paid by the word.



Also, that trailer looks like it is trying WAY too hard, and they need to fire their sound guy.[DOUBLEPOST=1441137357,1441137267][/DOUBLEPOST]
But i do seem to remember there being a B plot with Vir in it in the episode...
No, I think that episode's B-plot was Ivanova's rabbi coming to help her mourn her father.
 
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