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Dave said:

Thoughts?

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Mann vs Machine? I'm in.

Sweet. I'll be getting this July 1.

I've honestly yet to try Mann vs. Machine, so I'm down.

Could I also request that the server doesn't have instant respawn?

ThatNickGuy said:

Could I also request that the server doesn't have instant respawn?

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But but I love instant respawn 2fort...

CrimsonSoul said:

But but I love instant respawn 2fort...

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With 32 people on 2fort, I don't think the respawn time would matter.

Instant respawn 32-player 2fort is also known as free-for-all deathmatch. I think in all my years of TF2ing I've only seen the intel capped twice.

bhamv3 said:

Instant respawn 32-player 2fort is also known as free-for-all deathmatch. I think in all my years of TF2ing I've only seen the intel capped twice.

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You must have horrible spies then

CrimsonSoul said:

You must have horrible spies then

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Well, I do mostly play on pubs, yes.

But even so, after a spy picks up the intel, he's got to fight his way through the entire base, either going through the straight staircase and running into the most popular sentry spot in the level, or through the spiral, fighting off every member of the opposite team, who'll know exactly where he is. And every enemy he kills is going to respawn instantly and immediately come at him again. I don't care how good a spy you are, that's a pretty tall task.

bhamv3 said:

Well, I do mostly play on pubs, yes.

But even so, after a spy picks up the intel, he's got to fight his way through the entire base, either going through the straight staircase and running into the most popular sentry spot in the level, or through the spiral, fighting off every member of the opposite team, who'll know exactly where he is. And every enemy he kills is going to respawn instantly and immediately come at him again. I don't care how good a spy you are, that's a pretty tall task.

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You have to coordinate with your team. Have the spy down there in the flag room or near it ready and as the heavy/medic makes their push into the ramp room/primary spawn area have the spy grab the flag and head up the stairs as the heavy cleans up with hopefully a scout nearby the bridge area to pick up the flag I'd the spy dies. Or have the spy kill engi/sap the sent in the hay room as the scout comes through the loft then wait around for enemies to go down spiral and knife them after they do. That tge engine won't be able to get the next sent high enough before the scout gets to the top of the spiral and out of the grate room

CrimsonSoul said:

You have to coordinate with your team. Have the spy down there in the flag room or near it ready and as the heavy/medic makes their push into the ramp room/primary spawn area have the spy grab the flag and head up the stairs as the heavy cleans up with hopefully a scout nearby the bridge area to pick up the flag I'd the spy dies. Or have the spy kill engi/sap the sent in the hay room as the scout comes through the loft then wait around for enemies to go down spiral and knife them after they do. That tge engine won't be able to get the next sent high enough before the scout gets to the top of the spiral and out of the grate room

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Great plan when it works. 99/100 times, it won't. Especially on pubs.

bhamv3 said:

Great plan when it works. 99/100 times, it won't. Especially on pubs.

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All it takes is people that want to get along.... You know what... You're right :-(

The reason I don't like instant respawn is that it negates the work someone did to put down another player. By removing them temporarily from the playing field, it gives your team an advantage. Instant respawn means any kills are completely meaningless, especially in that final push to grab the intel or something because those killed will just pop right back up.

I agree, it just sucks to be the dead player waiting to respawn. Makes it less fun.

On the other hand, the fact that death plays a bigger penalty changes how you play, and can make people more cautious and methodical.

Again, less of a death match and more planning and teamwork.

Yeah, with 32 players, it pretty much doesn't matter - 3 engineers locks down a fort pretty thoroughly if the sentries are positioned correctly.. unless, as said above, you get the 1% experience where a medic and heavy and spy and demoman all co-operate in perfect harmony and patience. Which almost never happens.

GasBandit said:

a medic, a heavy, a spy, and a demoman all

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go into a bar. The bartender says...

stienman said:

go into a bar. The bartender says...

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"GET DA F^$K OUTTA HERE!"

I should probably look into playing TF2, huh?

If we can lock down a time, I'm up for some Mann Vs Machine.

I may - MAY - have to hold off on this. My wife is having issues at her work and we may be having money troubles really, really soon.

Dave said:

I may - MAY - have to hold off on this. My wife is having issues at her work and we may be having money troubles really, really soon.

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It's no biggie Dave. If we have to wait, we'll wait.

I may just go month to month and if she loses her job I'll stop paying for it.

Or take donations!!!!!


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Honestly I don't know if the demand is there to justify going in on it when the financials are questionable.

Save your money until you know that it isn't an issue.

Dei said:

Or take donations!!!!!


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THIS

I took donations before and the server didn't stay up the full year. I still owe you guys.

GasBandit said:

Honestly I don't know if the demand is there to justify going in on it when the financials are questionable.

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I agree with Gas. Real life first, TF2 second.

bhamv3 said:

I agree with Gas. Real life first, TF2 second.

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Agreed.

I haven't played TF2 in a while, so I hopped on to see what drops I could get. I finally got one of the Pyro items that allows Pyrovision, and damn it is trippy to play a level in Pyroland. I wish I could play Medic while seeing the world like that.

I don't know how to TF2.

Is it too late to learn?

Ravenpoe said:

Is it too late to learn?

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If you can play an FPS, you can play TF2. At least, to some degree, and you'll pick up the specifics over time.

Actually, I can't speak for Mann Vs Machine. I don't understand that mode myself. If we do start a server to play that, I'm going to have to ask for help learning what to do myself. It seems a lot more complicated to me than any of the other game modes.

figmentPez said:

If you can play an FPS, you can play TF2. At least, to some degree, and you'll pick up the specifics over time.

Actually, I can't speak for Mann Vs Machine. I don't understand that mode myself. If we do start a server to play that, I'm going to have to ask for help learning what to do myself. It seems a lot more complicated to me than any of the other game modes.

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Mann vs Machine is just horde mode, right? So it should be just like Left 4 Dead, Killing Floor, or ME3 Multi

Ravenpoe said:

Mann vs Machine is just horde mode, right? So it should be just like Left 4 Dead, Killing Floor, or ME3 Multi

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Left 4 Dead doesn't have any sort of upgrades to purchase, nor does it have a class system. I never played Killing Floor long enough to figure out the upgrade system there, and I've never played ME3 at all.

figmentPez said:

Left 4 Dead doesn't have any sort of upgrades to purchase, nor does it have a class system. I never played Killing Floor long enough to figure out the upgrade system there, and I've never played ME3 at all.

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ME3 multiplayer has a leveling class system, consumables, and upgrading equipment.

figmentPez said:

Agreed.

I haven't played TF2 in a while, so I hopped on to see what drops I could get. I finally got one of the Pyro items that allows Pyrovision, and damn it is trippy to play a level in Pyroland. I wish I could play Medic while seeing the world like that.

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Look for some Vintage Pyrovision Goggles on the Steam Marketplace. It'll probably cost you all of ten cents for a pair and they let any class wearing them see Pyroland.

Okay, Jay will be one Admin of the server, who wants to be the other?

I CRAVE POWER Dave

Is the server supposed to be running Team Fortress Classic instead of TF2?



EDIT: Nevermind, it's working now. I was having trouble adding it to my favorites list, but after I restarted TF2 it worked.

Nope. I set something up wrong. Good catch![DOUBLEPOST=1372738110][/DOUBLEPOST]Try it now.

Alright scumbags.

We need to pop this server's cherry.

Display your availabilities for the following dates in the upcoming week, along with your gaming preferences :

Pref :
Thursday Night :
Friday Night :
Saturday :
Saturday Night :
Sunday :
Sunday Night :


Ex :


Pref : MVM!
Thursday Night : YES
Friday Night : YES
Saturday : YES
Saturday Night : MAYBE
Sunday : NO
Sunday Night : YES



Oh, this means you should be downloading and installing TF2 as soon as you're able to tonight and favorite this server of ours.

SCHNELL!

Pref : CTF
Thursday Night : NO
Friday Night : MAYBE
Saturday : NO
Saturday Night : NO
Sunday : NO
Sunday Night : NO

I've got family visiting from out of state this weekend, combined with the 4th, I'm probably not available until next week.

I'm available pretty much any time. I just need to know when. Whatever is fine.

I'll probably try to come play, but the next 2 weeks for me are pretty busy.

I can't commit to any regular night but I will try to pop on from time to time. This week at least is probably no-go.

Pref : Payload, KotH, Arena
Thursday Night : NO
Friday Night : YES
Saturday : YES
Saturday Night : YES
Sunday : MAYBE
Sunday Night : MAYBE

Oh, one other thing... does the server support filling with bots? Like, 5 or so per side if there's less than 10 actual players?

That's always been the question and I hope Jay knows how to get it to work because that's preferable to me as well. So you could technically be the only one in there and have a full 5x5 battle.

Indeed.

My plan is to always have the minimum of 12 players with bot support. If folks want 10 to have more intense matches, that would be fine but I'd like to give the 12 a go initially. Ultimately, the goal is that people are able to jump on the server and get some action going. People tend to notl join when servers aren't empty or forced to play 2 on 2.

For tonight, my plan is to get acquainted with the tools given and setup a PAYLOAD server. As more people reply in this thread and commit to the community, we'll adapt accordingly!

I don't see a real need to set bots higher than 6v6. From what I read, bots really bog the server down, and you just need enough to make it playable for small numbers of players. Once you've got 10 or 12 warm bodies, the bots aren't needed any more.

I've actually just been playing on our server. It's set as Public MvM right now (although I thought I had it set for generic TF2 - go figure!) and people popped in to play with me. So we can bug in any time, but if we want to do stuff like a Halforums night, we'll have to password protect it. MvM has a max of 6 players so it shouldn't be hard to get a full roster for a game night.[DOUBLEPOST=1372803200][/DOUBLEPOST]

GasBandit said:

I don't see a real need to set bots higher than 6v6. From what I read, bots really bog the server down, and you just need enough to make it playable for small numbers of players. Once you've got 10 or 12 warm bodies, the bots aren't needed any more.

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And from what I read in Multi-play's servers, they disable bot access because of the drain. So I don't believe we can run bots.

I've got TF2 installed, and I am ready whenever you guys are. Keep in mind I have no idea how to play, so... yeah.

I used to play the shit out of Team Fortress Classic back in the day, though.

Installing. I'm a noob though.

Dave said:

And from what I read in Multi-play's servers, they disable bot access because of the drain. So I don't believe we can run bots.

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Which is kind of silly, given MvM has way more bots than most CTF/Payload maps with bots.

Are you still going through multiplay? The IP led me to think it was somewhere else.

This ruins everything.

Setting up a mock game, if you're available. Get on Vent with Dave and I and join the server.

We got on tonight and there were three of us, but then the other 3 slots filled in with randoms. So I am not sure if the MvM bots would have as much value as we think.

I'd definitely be interested in some semi-organized MvM, though I should be clear that I'm not amazing. Any time can work for me, though!

You ain't got to be amazing. In addition, I went in by myself and played a couple of rounds with total strangers.

Can't be worse than the 2 neers that played with us from last night.

Jay said:

Can't be worse than the 2 neers that played with us from last night.

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-heh- Did you figure out how to change the number of waves?

I just tried connecting to the server. At 200+ ping, it doesn't look like I'll be able to play with you guys. Sorry fellas.

Dave said:

-heh- Did you figure out how to change the number of waves?

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Nope, I'll have to probably post somewhere and see. My Google-Fu didn't help.

bhamv3 said:

I just tried connecting to the server. At 200+ ping, it doesn't look like I'll be able to play with you guys. Sorry fellas.

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The server is in Missouri. The biggest problem is if I'd have gone with a server in Europe, I'd have left out a great portion of the people who would use it.

I found a great resource site for custom with pre-set POP files however, I won't go that deep in server configs until we get a few game nights under our belt.

And seeing that only a few people posted their availabilities....

Dave said:

The server is in Missouri. The biggest problem is if I'd have gone with a server in Europe, I'd have left out a great portion of the people who would use it.

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Yeah I understand completely. No worries, Dave.

Jay said:

I found a great resource site for custom with pre-set POP files however, I won't go that deep in server configs until we get a few game nights under our belt.

And seeing that only a few people posted their availabilities....

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You know when I'm available.

I popped in late last night and had 3 randoms join me after that.

God did we stink up the joint. Didn't win a single wave.

I'll try to get a game going tonight around 8 PM Eastern.

Hit me up on Steam if you want in.

That's way too early for me. It's unlikely I'll ever be able to play before midnight central.

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I''ll join u

K, I crashed, gimme a sec

Looking for MO!

Welp, never mind then.

So I started playing but im never on when everyone else is. Any idea why people are all up in my balls to get me to trade them some earbuds?

Timmus said:

So I started playing but im never on when everyone else is. Any idea why people are all up in my balls to get me to trade them some earbuds?

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I don't understand the hat trade.

Timmus said:

So I started playing but im never on when everyone else is. Any idea why people are all up in my balls to get me to trade them some earbuds?

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Earbuds are generally considered the most valuable trading currency in TF2 for several reasons:

- They are rare. Not many people got them because you had to play TF2 on a Mac during 2 very specific times.
- They are limited in supply. They were only given out during two special events and only if you played from a Mac. Most people don't own Macs and most of them who do don't play TF2.
- Because the supply is limited, they also have a set value.
- They are attractive.
- Anyone can wear them.

So everyone is trying to get your earbuds because they are worth a shit ton. My advice? Keep them. But if you want to trade them, I wouldn't ask for less than 22-23 Keys or 127 Refined Scrap.

I know how it feels. Everyone wants my Bill's Hat for the same reason and they keep trying to scam me out of it.

Sure is lonely on the TF2 server by myself right now...

Filled that bitch up quick!

I've got an extra canteen now, if anyone needs one.

Jay... we need to have a talk about these server rules. I've got strangers calling me a hobo

Ravenpoe said:

Jay... we need to have a talk about these server rules. I've got strangers calling me a hobo

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Perfectly acceptable rule imo

figmentPez said:

I've got an extra canteen now, if anyone needs one.

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Me lol

CrimsonSoul said:

Me lol

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Traded.

Anyone up for a game?

Jay said:

Anyone up for a game?

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My 6 year old is playing right now or I'd hop on lol

It was fun!

I will have to give this a shot when I get some free time, of an evening!

MvM gaming about to start. Message me on Steam if you want in.

I have to reload TF2 before I can play.

Was fun till I locked up. Dunno why my mic wasn't working. Seems fine now.