There ain't enough "want" in the world to do this movie justice.
THE HOBBIT
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I was under the impression that they werre actually splitting the Hobbit into two parts. I think there's enough material to make that work, I'm unsure of the pacing though. Where could they split it to give us two satisfying stories, I wonder? My guess would be that the first movie ends when they escape from the Misty Mountains, leaving Mirkwood and the giant spiders, Smaug, and the battle of Five Armies all for the second movie.Just posted in the trailer thread; totally forgot we had a thread for it on its own.
Looks fantastic. This is a much less grim story overall than LOTR, even if it's serious to some of the characters, and I've been looking forward to it.
Though now I'm confused over how the movies are being split, since all we're seeing is Misty Mountains, Rivendell, trolls--nothing of Mirkwood or the Lonely Mountain. I thought the second movie was going to be a new story taking place between Hobbit and LOTR. I'm hoping that's the case, because I'd rather we have one single solid Hobbit movie, and that they just didn't put that later stuff in the first trailer.
There's enough material, but I don't think that's necessarily a good thing for a movie to do. Books and movies work differently and I see no reason they couldn't give us a good three-hour Hobbit movie that told the whole story. Honestly, if you chop the Hobbit in half, not a lot seems to really have happened when you get to the end of the Misty Mountains stuff. The Hobbit really picks up narrative traction once Bilbo has the ring and starts impressing the dwarfs--to save all that for the second movie along seems like bad planning.
I really hope they just do the Hobbit in one go and do something else for part two, but looking at IMDB, I think your prediction will be what happens, and I think it's a shame to do that to what's really a simple adventure.
It's possible they might expand from the original book using some of the ancillary material from other works of Tolkein. Personall, I'm on the side of the fence that feels that The Hobbit doesn't need to be split into two movies. Feels like a giant, unneeded money-grab by the studio, personally.
Which then sounds to me like they're going to shove a bunch of grim shit in between set pieces of The Hobbit. *sigh*
And I say all this while being thrilled by the trailer and excited for the movie.
Normally I agree, but I think the Hobbit is a bit of a weird story, in that I can't see it working in 3 hours, but 4 would be too much for one film, so my hope is it will be two movies of decent length, 2-2.5hrs each. There isn't enough for two 3hour films unless they really pad it. I see it as not enough for two films but too much for one.
Film one- Prologue with Frodo and Bilbo, intro to the adventure, Trolls, Rivendell, Orcs, Gollum.
After the Misty Mountains, they get lost in Mirkwood, fight giant spiders, the Council of wizards gather and dispel Sauron from Mirkwood, The company of dwarves is captured by elves and held prisoner, Bilbo escapes, then they actually get into the mountain a coupld of times before it actually pisses Smaug off enough to attack, then you've got the Battle of Five Armies still after that, followed by Bilbo's trip back, and probably some Epilogue stuff with he and Frodo.
Looking at that trailer though, it looks like they're pulling from some of the unfinished tales as well, like how Gandalf came into the company of the dwarves, and there's a scene there with he and Galadriel that makes me wonder if they'll explain a bit more about the three elf rings.
I'm curious if they'll do the council of wizards. I imagine they'd have to, but I know Christopher Lee was not happy with Sauruman's treatment in the Lord of the Rings movies, and so I doubt they got him back.
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Film one- Prologue with Frodo and Bilbo, intro to the adventure, Trolls, Rivendell, Orcs, Gollum.
After the Misty Mountains, they get lost in Mirkwood, fight giant spiders, the Council of wizards gather and dispel Sauron from Mirkwood, The company of dwarves is captured by elves and held prisoner, Bilbo escapes, then they actually get into the mountain a coupld of times before it actually pisses Smaug off enough to attack, then you've got the Battle of Five Armies still after that, followed by Bilbo's trip back, and probably some Epilogue stuff with he and Frodo.
Looking at that trailer though, it looks like they're pulling from some of the unfinished tales as well, like how Gandalf came into the company of the dwarves, and there's a scene there with he and Galadriel that makes me wonder if they'll explain a bit more about the three elf rings.
I'm curious if they'll do the council of wizards. I imagine they'd have to, but I know Christopher Lee was not happy with Sauruman's treatment in the Lord of the Rings movies, and so I doubt they got him back.
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He was in one of the on set diary's or whatever they called them in his Saruman getup, so I wouldn't be sure of that.
EDIT: And he's listed on IMDB as Saruman, for what that's worth.
Blunt the knives and bend the forks!
Christopher Lee's also on the IMDB as Saruman.
I knew he was on the IMDB but that's not always to be trusted. Evidentally I missed an episode of the production blog, cause I didn't see that one.
Well, then.
YAY!
I grinned when I saw that scene in the trailer
That was the Del Torro plan. I think the fandom revolt changed their mind. I think it will be the split the story in half and sprinkle some other material throughout.
My only concern with the Hobbit movie(s) is that we saw LotR first, which is a much grimmer set of films/books than the Hobbit. In the Hobbit when we meet the elves in Rivendell they're all happy and singing and tra-la-lally down in the valley; but when we meet them in LotR they're all grim and Welcome to Rivendell Mr. Ander - I mean, Frodo Baggins.
How is the public's perception of Elrond and the way the elves were in the first movies going to effect how they were portrayed in the book version of the Hobbit?
How is the public's perception of Elrond and the way the elves were in the first movies going to effect how they were portrayed in the book version of the Hobbit?
It seems to me that Peter Jackson, at least based on the trailer, is going to have this played off as a re-telling of the story from Bilbo to Frodo, so it won't be "this is all happening now" but instead "this is how it was back then". This gives them room to play with a narrator, so while the audience is used to the grim elves, Bilbo can have some narrator dialogue about how different it all was back then.
Be aware, I may be wrong. I am mostly going off the trailer and how it starts off with Bilbo implying that he never told Frodo the whole story, and then cuts to the scenes with Bilbo as a young man. We know Elijah Wood and Ian Holm are both returning to play Frodo and the elder Bilbo respectively, and it's said most of their appearance will be in the beginning of the movie, so I am just trying to put 2 + 2 together.
I should have mentioned it. I had it in my head a good part of today. I love the sound of it and it tells you how much this means to the dwarfs.
I'd say I am looking forward to this, but that would be the understatement of the year.
What I want is to track down a good illustrated copy of the Hobbit that I can read to my four year old over the next year, so we can both see this. If it gets rated PG, I guess. If not, I'd probably end up seeing it first to see how scary it is.
EDIT: Also, about the song...sing along! It's called Misty Mountains, and it's in the book:
What I want is to track down a good illustrated copy of the Hobbit that I can read to my four year old over the next year, so we can both see this. If it gets rated PG, I guess. If not, I'd probably end up seeing it first to see how scary it is.
EDIT: Also, about the song...sing along! It's called Misty Mountains, and it's in the book:
Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
...The pines were roaring on the height,
The winds were moaning in the night,
The fire was red, it flaming spread;
The trees like torches blazed with light.
...
I listened to the audiobook while at work today. The version of that song in the audiobook... just does not compete with the one in this trailer.
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One: Del Toro did a lot of pre-production work and continued to work in an artistic advisor sort of fashion, this makeup does seem to have his kind of look to it, I feel.
Two: They filmed it for 3D, so all the colours are punched up significantly so they'll look normal in theatres. Might not translate as well to a 2D image. But I hope its not that because hell if I'm buying a 3DTV and glasses for this when it comes out on blu-ray.
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Two thoughts.
One: Del Toro did a lot of pre-production work and continued to work in an artistic advisor sort of fashion, this makeup does seem to have his kind of look to it, I feel.
Two: They filmed it for 3D, so all the colours are punched up significantly so they'll look normal in theatres. Might not translate as well to a 2D image. But I hope its not that because hell if I'm buying a 3DTV and glasses for this when it comes out on blu-ray.
It would actually make sense to do this. If I recall the retcon to the Hobbit after the release of the Lord of the Rings was that Bilbo never really told the true story.
Yes, you are correct Mat. Bilbo lied to the Dwarves, and I think he lied to Gandalf too about the ring.
Yeah, but Gandalf gets the truth out of him by the end of it. The dwarves, I think, still think Gollum gave him the ring willingly.
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Just watched the trailer. Not going to miss this one for anything, cancer can go f*** itself.
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