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The xbox 360 is the worst console that has ever existed (n/t)

Aug 29, 2010#1

The Lovely Boehner

Aug 29, 2010#2

Frankie Williamson

Reliability? Yes.

Aug 29, 2010#3

Jiarn

Out of the box? Sure.

With a few tweaks? Yeah, not so much.

Aug 29, 2010#4

Jay

After buying a PS3 and a WII, it's a POS and needs a new gen console. Also their "interface" sucks a dick. I would pay for a reliable system with a HDMI/Wireless.

Aug 29, 2010#5

Chibibar

Having exchange SIX (yes 6) 360 with RRD erros (thank god for exchange program on site with the store) I gave up and got PS3. Now Xbox system itself it not bad while I had it. I had lots of fun playing the games, but man.... I hope the new gen (planning to get it) is much better.

Aug 29, 2010#6

Hailey Knight

Didn't Microsoft say they aren't looking to replace the 360 until 2013 or 2014?

Aug 29, 2010#7

tegid

I don't understand the frequency of RROD's... The only Xbox 360 owners I personally know have 'only' gotten 1 RROD each, in about 4-5 years of use.

Aug 29, 2010#8

CynicismKills

Console wars should have died with the SNES/Genesis era.

Aug 29, 2010#9

Silver Jelly

Aug 29, 2010#10

Hailey Knight

My brother has had two RRODs, so he's on his third 360.

I'm on my first PS3 and first Wii.

Aug 29, 2010#11

The Lovely Boehner

what do your faces look like when it breaks and you have to pay to send it away for 6 weeks and then repeat the same process in a year's time?

Aug 29, 2010#12

Jiarn

It's pretty sad that the fix to prevent RROD is ridiculously easy to get done. Though it does bring to question the original thought of this thread.

Are you questioning the original development of the 360, or the console itself? Due to it's ability to be modded, it's easily the best console ever released. When tweaked in the right way, you'll easily see it last as long as any other system out there.

Aug 29, 2010#13

Silver Jelly

The Lovely Boner said:
what do your faces look like when it breaks and you have to pay to send it away for 6 weeks and then repeat the same process in a year's time?

It's not ours

But, as Tegid has said, in 5 years of use, both our xbox 360 owner friends have had a red ring of death each one.

Aug 29, 2010#14

The Lovely Boehner

My entire attraction to a console is that I buy it and then I don't have to do anything to make it play video games.

XBox 360 fails massively at the only thing I like about consoles

Thus - the worst of all time

Aug 29, 2010#15

tegid

What I was trying to say was: I really don't hear that many cases of RROD's around here, so... Is it a culture thing? Do American Xboxes break more because you have HFCS in sodas instead of sugar?
A mistery!

Aug 29, 2010#16

Silver Jelly

Junk food and guns.

Aug 29, 2010#17

Jiarn

The Lovely Boner said:
My entire attraction to a console is that I buy it and then I don't have to do anything to make it play video games.

XBox 360 fails massively at the only thing I like about consoles

Thus - the worst of all time

The interesting point here is that my opinion is almost a polar opposite. My attraction to the console is what it's capable of in the right hands. With some research and work, it can do things no other console can.

Xbox 360 succeeds tremendously where nothing but a PC could match.

Thus - my favorite of all time.

Aug 29, 2010#18

Espy

Jiarn said:
Xbox 360 succeeds tremendously where nothing but a PC could match.

Aug 29, 2010#19

SpecialKO

Wait, how are people having trouble getting their 360 to play videogames? RRoD aside of course.

Aug 29, 2010#20

Hailey Knight

tegid said:
What I was trying to say was: I really don't hear that many cases of RROD's around here, so... Is it a culture thing? Do American Xboxes break more because you have HFCS in sodas instead of sugar?
A mistery!

RROD happens based on cycles of manufactured 360s, so if your country got a later wave than the U.S. back when they were first coming out, odds are your country has less percentage of them.

Aug 29, 2010#21

Jiarn

Espy;432550][QUOTE=Jiarn said:
Xbox 360 succeeds tremendously where nothing but a PC could match.

See I hear this all the time, but the problem is, I don't need my video game system to be a PC. I need it to play video games. If what makes it great is that you can make it like that other box sitting next to it by doing some mods then... well... I guess it's just not what entices me.[/QUOTE]

No, what I mean is that I can install all the emulators I currently use on my PC, play with my kids on my big screen, in HDMI, without having to unplug my PC and move it around.

Everything I need in gaming, I have in my modded xbox.

Aug 29, 2010#22

Espy

Ah. That makes more sense.

Aug 29, 2010#23

Frankie Williamson

Jiarn;432561][QUOTE=Espy;432550][QUOTE=Jiarn said:
Xbox 360 succeeds tremendously where nothing but a PC could match.

Aug 29, 2010#24

Jiarn

If I could find and buy all the old CPS1 and CPS2 boards, install the cabinets and play with my kids that way. I would. If there were any arcades still alive today, that had those type of games still available, I would go there. Sadly neither is an option and my kids love playing D&D, Simpsons, X-Men, 1942, and another large host of MAME games. I'm sorry if that's considered stealing. I don't download and burn newly released 360 games, any SNES/GEN/GBA games I download usually are ones I've owned at some point. Though thank you for assuming such.

Aug 29, 2010#25

Jay

I got 2 RRODs thus I'm on my 3rd system. BTW, my SNES and Genesis still work without a problem.

So, yes I agree that the machine sucks a dick and Microsoft failed to deliver. Sadly, they have games I don't want to miss playing.

Aug 29, 2010#26

Hailey Knight

Jay said:
I got 2 RRODs thus I'm on my 3rd system. BTW, my SNES and Genesis still work without a problem.

This. SNES still ticking fine.

Aug 29, 2010#27

AshburnerX

escushion;432590][QUOTE=Jay said:
I got 2 RRODs thus I'm on my 3rd system. BTW, my SNES and Genesis still work without a problem.

This. SNES still ticking fine.[/QUOTE]

My SNES works fine. My NES, on the other hand, is a piece of shit. I'm on my third one.

Aug 29, 2010#28

Frankie Williamson

Is it anything beyond the normal clips bending out of shape issue that all front loader NES's have?

I love my top loader NES.

Aug 29, 2010#29

CynicismKills

Top load NES systems are supposed to be much more reliable.

Also yeah, never had a RRoD on my 360, had it for 4 years now. Though I do agree it's stupid to even have to worry about something like this. We had an early run of the ps2 and had to send it back as well for a hardware issue; apparently the disc tray was heavy so if you lay the system flat it would weigh on the boards in a pretty damaging way.

Aug 29, 2010#30

checkeredhat

My brother had one RRD and it was fixed in no time at all. He's the only person I know who has ever experienced one.

Aug 30, 2010#31

ThatNickGuy

*sits back comfortably with his PS3* Ahhhhhh.

Aug 30, 2010#32

Math242

hardware? yeah probably.

Games that come with it ? It's reign is undisputed.

Aug 30, 2010#33

CynicismKills

ProTip: Nothing lasts longer than a Nintendo system, though. I've seen Gameboy's that have been dropped from third story windows and stormed on that still played fine.

Aug 30, 2010#34

Troll

Three years, no RRoD so far. Same thing with my friends. Thus, we are happy.

Aug 30, 2010#35

David

CynicismKills said:
ProTip: Nothing lasts longer than a Nintendo system, though. I've seen Gameboy's that have been dropped from third story windows and stormed on that still played fine.

This. I've got a game boy pocket that was chewed up pretty badly by an ex-friends dog. The original plastic switch is gone so I have to reach in and flip the smaller switch manually, but it still runs fine.

Aug 30, 2010#36

figmentPez

CynicismKills said:
ProTip: Nothing lasts longer than a Nintendo system, though. I've seen Gameboy's that have been dropped from third story windows and stormed on that still played fine.

This is on display at Nintendo's New York store:

Source on Flickr

"Game Boy
Damaged in Gulf War

"This Game Boy was damaged when barracks were bombed during the 1990-1991 Gulf War. It still works!"

Also, years ago, Nintendo Power featured a story about a clogged toilet that a plumber found game cartridges in. They'd survived more than a day underwater, and drain-o and other efforts to clear the clog, and still worked when cleaned off.

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That said, I had to send in my Wii to be replaced. It started having graphical glitches not long after purchase. The replacement has been running fine ever since, though.

Aug 30, 2010#37

Covar

My 360 works fine, So does my Wii, PS3, Gamecube, Xbox, PS2, Dreamcast, N64, PSX, Saturn, SNES, Genesis, and NES.

And what's getting the most play time currently? the iMac. :Leyla:

Aug 30, 2010#38

Frankie Williamson

Math242 said:
hardware? yeah probably.

Games that come with it ? It's reign is undisputed.

Aug 30, 2010#39

SpecialKO

Covar said:
My 360 works fine, So does my Wii, PS3, Gamecube, Xbox, PS2, Dreamcast, N64, PSX, Saturn, SNES, Genesis, and NES.

And what's getting the most play time currently? the iMac.

I'm giving serious thought to getting an iMac the next time I get a computer, in maybe a year or two. My last job had a bunch for design work and multimedia and they were just fun to use. The only real downside is that I wouldn't be able to upgrade the parts myself (and the compatible parts list would be much smaller, anyways) and no Blu-Ray. But I don't upgrade remotely as much as I used to, and in a year or two the Blu-Ray thing may be inconsequential or addressed.

Aug 30, 2010#40

GasBandit

Just FYI guys, I had to replace my NES once, but I think that's because it was very old and somehow my game genie really messed it up. So I'm not sure I can count that against Nintendo or not.

However, I did have a dreamcast die on me for no good reason, and had to buy a replacement via ebay. But that doesn't change my opinion of it being the greatest console.

Aug 30, 2010#41

D

Dubyamn

GasBandit said:
Just FYI guys, I had to replace my NES once, but I think that's because it was very old and somehow my game genie really messed it up. So I'm not sure I can count that against Nintendo or not.

However, I did have a dreamcast die on me for no good reason, and had to buy a replacement via ebay. But that doesn't change my opinion of it being the greatest console.

Nor should it Dreamcast was lighting in a bottle. Unfortunately lighting in a bottle that Sega had no idea what to do with but lightining in a bottle none the less.

Aug 30, 2010#42

gargoyle_eva

How about this then ladies and gents, who has the best/ worst controller design.

N64 analog sticks are absolutely retarded after throwing bowser off platforms a few hundred times, Which is quite sad considering the rest of the system will probably outlast me.

Gamecube controllers looked so awkward until the day I picked one up and it literally melted into my hand. I swear I held onto my controller for 30 hours straight one day. Never let go of it at all.
I still find 360 controllers awkward for some reason, I'm not sure why.

Aug 30, 2010#43

Espy

Frank;432697][QUOTE=Math242 said:
hardware? yeah probably.

Games that come with it ? It's reign is undisputed.

Aug 30, 2010#44

Frankie Williamson

I think if you stuck the SNES's d-pad on the Dual Shock you'd have the single greatest controller ever made.

Aug 30, 2010#45

checkeredhat

Oh yeah, Nintendo products, at least the old ones anyway, are built like tanks. A few years ago, I was playing Donkey Kong Country with a friend on her SNES, which was forever reason perched atop the TV, rather than near the bottom of the entertainment stand. Naturally, it fell six feet, and something was rattling around inside it, but it still played just fine.

Aug 30, 2010#46

ThatNickGuy

I wonder if that Gulf War fried Gameboy is the same one that I remember reading about in Nintendo Power, once. They even sent him a new Gameboy as a thank you for being such a trooper.

Best controller, though? I've gotta say the Playstation's design that's been more or less the same since the PS1 (I think). It's comfortable, not too large like the original Xbox controllers and is just hte best, consistent design, in my opinion.

Aug 30, 2010#47

checkeredhat

Espy;432745][QUOTE=Frank;432697][QUOTE=Math242 said:
hardware? yeah probably.

Games that come with it ? It's reign is undisputed.

This is the part I don't get. What makes the 360 so much "BETTERZ" in so many gamer's eyes? Halo? Gears of War? I don't get it. The 360 and the PS3 have basically the same library with a few exceptions on both sides.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't get that either, granted I'm not a SUP3Rl33t player, I buy maybe one video game every month or every other month, but with few exceptions can I think of any game on the xbox I either can't get on the PS3 or that I would just never want, the ones you mentioned being some of the ones I would never want.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't think it's as "indisputable" as it used to be. When the systems were first released, sure. But the PS3 has got some great exclusive titles now.
It used to be true that the DLC for 360 came out long before the PS3 version as well. But that's not the case anymore either. Heck, PS3 owners all beat the new Scott Pilgrim game before the 360 owners even had a chance to get a hold of it.

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ThatNickGuy said:
Best controller, though? I've gotta say the Playstation's design that's been more or less the same since the PS1 (I think). It's comfortable, not too large like the original Xbox controllers and is just hte best, consistent design, in my opinion.

I agree with this. I love my Playstation controllers.
The original PS1 controller had no Analog sticks, but ever since they added it on, the only thing that's changed is the size of the second set of shoulder buttons.

Aug 30, 2010#48

Silver Jelly

I'm a big fan of the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube controllers.

Aug 30, 2010#49

checkeredhat

Frank said:
I think if you stuck the SNES's d-pad on the Dual Shock you'd have the single greatest controller ever made.

http://www.halforums.com/forum/t13493/#post389329
We KNOW.

Aug 30, 2010#50

The Lovely Boehner

XBox is charging more for XBL now. Their reign of the shittiest of all time is climbing higher and higher into shit mountain

Aug 30, 2010#51

GasBandit

Well, not to be a broken record, but I gotta stick up for the dreamcast controller here. Easy access to both D-pad and analog stick with left thumb, one of the best analog sticks in the business (even with a limited range of twisting allowed to reduce thumb torque stress), analog top triggers suitable for various degrees of control (think accelerator pedals, part of which made Tokyo Xtreme Racing a lot more fun than it should have been), expansion ports and secondary display LCDs on the memory devices. The only way it could have been better was to be wireless.

Aug 30, 2010#52

Frankie Williamson

checkeredhat;432773][QUOTE=Frank said:
I think if you stuck the SNES's d-pad on the Dual Shock you'd have the single greatest controller ever made.

http://www.halforums.com/forum/t13493/#post389329
We KNOW.

[/QUOTE]

Ha, I don't even remember that thread.

Aug 30, 2010#53

The Lovely Boehner

The Dreamcast controller is the best since it had a screen in it.

Aug 30, 2010#54

Chibibar

GasBandit said:
Well, not to be a broken record, but I gotta stick up for the dreamcast controller here. Easy access to both D-pad and analog stick with left thumb, one of the best analog sticks in the business (even with a limited range of twisting allowed to reduce thumb torque stress), analog top triggers suitable for various degrees of control (think accelerator pedals, part of which made Tokyo Xtreme Racing a lot more fun than it should have been), expansion ports and secondary display LCDs on the memory devices. The only way it could have been better was to be wireless.

I second this. I love the dreamcast controller.

Aug 30, 2010#55

Shannow

Got an xbox 360 in the living room that my roomate and I share. Been using it a few years. great for straming things from our pcs over the network on the fly, use of extra services, and the fact that about 95% of our friends all have one, makes it great to play games with them over live. no brainer for me.

In fact, I am picking up a new slim model this week for my room, as I wish to have one hooked up there as well for the same reasons.

Aug 30, 2010#56

Espy

I love streaming stuff from my Mac to my PS3. In fact I'm watching Futurama streamed from it right now.

Also I'm really glad they got netflix finally on the PS3. Now if they would hurry up with Hulu...

Aug 30, 2010#57

CynicismKills

With fewer and fewer titles being exclusive I think it's hard to claim one console is better than another based on titles. 360 is generally considered the 'hardcore' console thanks to the early push of shooters and heavy online gaming community, but I don't think that's the case now that PS3 has had time to catch up and had its own share of solid games.

I loved the Dreamcast controller, but the d-pad had sharp corners that started to hurt after awhile. Personally I always like the PS controllers and the 360 controllers, myself. SNES was pretty easy to handle as well. N64 wasn't terrible, but I think it had more buttons than it needed, and one large one in the middle with others surrounding it sometimes caused me to mash the wrong one many times thanks to a slip of the finger.

Aug 31, 2010#58

Azurephoenix

I would just like to point out that Microsoft totally dropped the ball with the design of their first motherboards. The Xenon, Zephyr, Falcon and Opus motherboards were power hungry pieces of crap that would heat expand horribly and break the GBA solder connections after a certain amount of usage (this basically couldn't be stopped due to the incredibly crappy design).

The newest motherboard the Jasper (can't comment on the new Vejle from the xbox 360 S... it's too new) is incredibly reliable, uses less power and doesn't create the bullshit heat warping problems that the olders motherboards did. Everyone I know that has one is still running it with no problems (including mine).

Basically Microsoft just had a crap design in the beginning and took their sweet time fixing the problem.

Aug 31, 2010#59

bigcountry23

No PS3 or Xbox360 here. Enjoy my Wii when I play it (typically when I have friends over to play). Have a DS that I have sent back twice because the L or R (or both) buttons quit working. All times the repair has been covered.

Aug 31, 2010#60

CynicismKills

Azurephoenix said:
I would just like to point out that Microsoft totally dropped the ball with the design of their first motherboards. The Xenon, Zephyr, Falcon and Opus motherboards were power hungry pieces of crap that would heat expand horribly and break the GBA solder connections after a certain amount of usage (this basically couldn't be stopped due to the incredibly crappy design).

The newest motherboard the Jasper (can't comment on the new Vejle from the xbox 360 S... it's too new) is incredibly reliable, uses less power and doesn't create the bullshit heat warping problems that the olders motherboards did. Everyone I know that has one is still running it with no problems (including mine).

Basically Microsoft just had a crap design in the beginning and took their sweet time fixing the problem.

Apparently Sony had kind of the same thing with the initial run of the ps2. The disc tray was set in a way that if you left the system flat too long, it would being to settle on the boards beneath, causing the system to stop reading discs properly. We actually had this happen twice before we finally got Sony to send us a ps2 Slim, which has run fine since the day we got it.

Sep 8, 2010#61

Necronic

Hardware is an issue. I personally have never had an RROD but I have had some issues with the dvd drive.

That said, I think that in all other areas the 360 beats the living crap out of the other systems. The better access to games is nice, but that's not what does it for me. What really sells it is the fact that the 360 did what the dreamcast was supposed to, and it has done it better than any other system to date. XBL is an exceptional gaming utility. Is it perfect? Of course not. But its pretty damned good. Then you have the HTPC capabilities. I can't remember the specifics but I know you can hook it up to a windows computer and run music etc off of it. Then you have the netflix thing.

The wii just doesn't compare, for obvious reasons. The PS3 came too late to the game. From what I can tell the online capabilities are growing, but they (and the community that uses them) are still a pale shadow compared to what microsoft has at the moment.

Of course, when it comes to just which one plays better games? That's a stupid argument....its like asking if Forest Gump or Slingblade were the better mathmeticians. Get a PC.

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