The Zoe Quinn sex-for-reviews scandal

*Looks at thread title*
One, I didn't make the thread, I am speaking about what was happening before this thread even existed.

Second, it still was a sex scandal, regardless of the fact we didn't care about her old relationship with her boyfriend, because it still was having sexual relationships with people that ultimately benefited her career.
 
I'm saying that sex for reviews has been a prominent message from the beginning, not "sex for a couple extra mentions in the coverage for an event she was a central figure in".
 

GasBandit

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I did name the thread. I named it for what was appropriate at the time. And the "Zoe Quinn sexual relationships with people that ultimately benefited her career thread" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
 
I'm saying that sex for reviews has been a prominent message from the beginning, not "sex for a couple extra mentions in the coverage for an event she was a central figure in".
All I came back here to do was to help explain that the bans were NOT just some ex-boyfriends post, they were a wide spread campaign to squelch anything even remotely talking about Zoe Quinn long after the ex attempted his multi-posted rant on her. If you want to go off on a tangent because I tried pointing out the bigger deal to most of us before this thing exploded, go ahead. I ain't going to continue arguing it.
 
All I came back here to do was to help explain that the bans were NOT just some ex-boyfriends post, they were a wide spread campaign to squelch anything even remotely talking about Zoe Quinn long after the ex attempted his multi-posted rant on her. If you want to go off on a tangent because I tried pointing out the bigger deal to most of us before this thing exploded, go ahead. I ain't going to continue arguing it.
It's not a tangent to question whether what you're claiming is the bigger thing actually was the bigger thing. If you want to argue that it was, prove it. Where are the articles/posts claiming she got overly postive coverage in the game jam before the "sex for reviews" thing exploded?
 
It's not a tangent to question whether what you're claiming is the bigger thing actually was the bigger thing. If you want to argue that it was, prove it. Where are the articles/posts claiming she got overly postive coverage in the game jam before the "sex for reviews" thing exploded?
It's great that you ask a question that I can't prove since, A) No one is going to post an article about it, since you know, they are too busy saying "Gamers are dead", and B) All the posts even talking about it were, you know, SQUELCHED, as in the big thing that turned this into a shitstorm. Bravo. You win.
 
It's great that you ask a question that I can't prove since, A) No one is going to post an article about it, since you know, they are too busy saying "Gamers are dead", and B) All the posts even talking about it were, you know, SQUELCHED, as in the big thing that turned this into a shitstorm. Bravo. You win.
Really? Our forum is the only one where talk of Zoe Quinn hasn't been wiped clean? There's not even any screenshots?
 
I posted some screenshots once.

"This is the quality journalism you want to see, is it?"

It was horrible.
You posted screenshots of someone theorizing about what Zoe may have done. I was asking about proof that those who were concerned actually were talking about the gamejam coverage and not game reviews.
 
Really? Our forum is the only one where talk of Zoe Quinn hasn't been wiped clean? There's not even any screenshots?
Do you really assume there is an army of people just constantly screenshotting every discussion on Reddit, NeoGAF, and 4Chan just in case they get hit with mass post deletions? I don't think anyone expected to log on one day and find thousands posts vanish on one of those three sites, especially places like 4Chan.

Best I can give you is this, which lays out all the details of the fiasco as much as possible.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/the-fine-young-capitalists-game-jam
 
Niether of which provide any support for your claim that most gamersgaters were concerned with subtle postive press, rather than game reviews. In fact, they link to the main quinnspiracy video that claims that he was writing postive press about her game while having sex with her. This forum is the main place I've heard the gamejam piece being used as the sole positive press she got for sleeping with grayson, while nearly everywhere else it's been (and still seems to be, at least as of a few weeks ago as seen in the "Gamersgate in 60 seconds" video) "sex for reviews", so I am skeptical that "most" people were concerned about that. That might have been what you personally have always focused on, but you are one person, not most.
 
Niether of which provide any support for your claim that most gamersgaters were concerned with subtle postive press, rather than game reviews. In fact, they link to the main quinnspiracy video that claims that he was writing postive press about her game while having sex with her. This forum is the main place I've heard the gamejam piece being used as the sole positive press she got for sleeping with grayson, while nearly everywhere else it's been (and still seems to be, at least as of a few weeks ago as seen in the "Gamersgate in 60 seconds" video) "sex for reviews", so I am skeptical that "most" people were concerned about that. That might have been what you personally have always focused on, but you are one person, not most.
Like I said, it's the best I can give you that puts down a lot of the info, but I can't give you anything else in regards to my own discussions, because all the other discussions were deleted to the tune of 25,000 posts on reddit alone. I don't know how you want me to pull shit out of thin air, so I gave you the best I could that outlines all the issues, not just the single "sex for reviews" bullshit that everyone focuses on, because that is not the sole thing that this monster of a shitstorm has become.

Though I am letting myself be pulled into something I told myself I was done with, so I am going back to sticking to that. Adios.
 

GasBandit

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Actually, it's about ethics in gaming journalism.
Somehow Brianna Wu knew she was being doxxed 6 minutes before chatterwhiteman!

https://twitter.com/FartToContinue/status/520733651139833856

There's also a lot of talk that this throwaway twitter account (it was created specifically for this sequence of threats, and was deleted immediately after by twitter) may have been held by the same guy who's apparently done it twice before. Notice also there's no reference to #gamergate in the thread, and even if there was, there's no way to tell this wasn't an anti-GGer doing a sockpuppet routine.

It's all completely anonymous, with no way to tell who's actually doing it, why, what they support, or where they get their info or what they actually do with it.

I could create a throwaway twitter account right now and use it to send death and rape threats to Kevin Bacon signed #feministfreq, it doesn't mean Anita Sarkeesian supports or even is in any way connected with threats of violence against Kevin Bacon.
 
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Wasn't the reason the thread kept getting deleted was that it was written by an angry, jilted ex? Airing out dirty laundry - which, given the source, half of it might not even be true - is not gaming journalism. It's an ex trying to get back at his cheating girlfriend. It was related in some ways to gaming, yes, but only tangentially. I still don't trust the original source because the guy clearly wrote it out of revenge.
Alternatively, it was a blog written by the victim of actual, real psychological abuse in order to reveal to people the kinds of shit his ex did to him. But that would be a unpopular position to take because society views men as the ones who abuse, not the victims of emotional abuse, so they don't get the benefit of the doubt on this kind of thing. This isn't to say the guy isn't a shitlord... he definitively is, but so is Zoe and his story's been backed up by people involved coming forward and admitting to said affairs/relationships. Why would he lie about her tactics and not about the affairs? Did he manufacture all the evidence... including the stuff that turned out to be true?

I already posted an article about this a few pages back, but I'll do it again. Harassment, Abuse, and Apologism: Sanitizing Abuse in Social Justice Spheres.

It boils my blood whenever I see someone just dismiss a report of abuse, because shit like that is the reason why the guy who abused me as a kid is walking free instead of in prison.
 
Somehow Brianna Wu knew she was being doxxed 6 minutes before chatterwhiteman!

https://twitter.com/FartToContinue/status/520733651139833856

There's also a lot of talk that this throwaway twitter account (it was created specifically for this sequence of threats, and was deleted immediately after by twitter) may have been held by the same guy who's apparently done it twice before. Notice also there's no reference to #gamergate in the thread, and even if there was, there's no way to tell this wasn't an anti-GGer doing a sockpuppet routine.

It's all completely anonymous, with no way to tell who's actually doing it, why, what they support, or where they get their info or what they actually do with it.
Why are you (and FartToContinue) assuming she's claiming that the person in the second tweet is the one doxxing her, rather than that being someone taking the information from the dox and threatening her with it? That would fit with the other person going "I now know where you live", since she was just doxxed. She says they just posted "all sorts of information", which wouldn't fit under that small, censored area. She had just before that posted a screenshot she said was from 8Chan, showing someone saying they think her husband is doing all the programming for her, so she seems to be on 8chan, where she said the dox took place.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Why are you (and FartToContinue) assuming she's claiming that the person in the second tweet is the one doxxing her, rather than that being someone taking the information from the dox and threatening her with it?
The similarities in verbiage and posting style, e.g. recurring imagery of the use of "bar" tools to perform sexual assault, etc.
She had just before that posted a screenshot she said was from 8Chan, showing someone saying they think her husband is doing all the programming for her, so she seems to be on 8chan, where she said the dox took place.
Yeah, she's had this odd thing going about 8chan. She created an "angry gamergater" meme there to mock them and took some heat because the "screaming little kid" she used for the mocking graphic turned out to be from an autism awareness powerpoint.

https://twitter.com/Battybuddy/status/520842166013140993

She even tweeted a picture of a supposed "raid" prep graphic that was purportedly in retaliation for her press coverage, when exif data from the picture showed the picture posted on 8chan was made days previous to the media coverage it was supposedly in response to.

https://twitter.com/Ghoel_Diggy/status/523159090969604096
 
I again have to wonder why GB has such a huge rageboner against this girl and Sarkesian. You're going to GREAT lengths to discredit both of them, including a ton of speculative tinfoil hattery.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
I again have to wonder why GB has such a huge rageboner against this girl and Sarkesian. You're going to GREAT lengths to discredit both of them, including a ton of speculative tinfoil hattery.
I'd never heard of Brianna Wu before Null's post. All the information I posted came up when I googled her name while filling out some tedious affidavits.

Don't hate me because I'm better at the internet than you ;)
 

Necronic

Staff member
I again have to wonder why GB has such a huge rageboner against this girl and Sarkesian. You're going to GREAT lengths to discredit both of them, including a ton of speculative tinfoil hattery.
Because they harm the integrity of games journalism.

Or something.

I still don't really get it.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Because they harm the integrity of games journalism.

Or something.

I still don't really get it.
I sure have to repeat myself a lot in this thread. I didn't bring up Brianna Wu. I just responded to a post of "See? See? GAMERGATE IS ABOUT THREATENING WOMEN" by showing that the pictured twitter aggressor doesn't actually flag himself as affiliated with gamergate, even if he had it could have been false, and the victim in question had been repeatedly involved in kicking over beehives at 8chan for quite a while, so who knows what kind of psycho nutbags decided to glom onto her after that.

It's one thing to make a hobby of kicking over beehives. It's another thing to then claim that a movement you don't like was responsible for your bee stings.
 
It's one thing to make a hobby of kicking over beehives. It's another thing to then claim that a movement you don't like was responsible for your bee stings.
Guess she had it coming then, eh? I mean, how dare she say anything against a group of people harassing women and next expect to be threatened with rape and death.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Guess she had it coming then, eh? I mean, how dare she say anything against a group of people harassing women and next expect to be threatened with rape and death.
And we're back to THAT again.

If I walk into a Ku Klux Klan meeting, and shout "black people had sex with all your mothers!" and get beat up, then go to the police and claim that the Knights of Columbus beat me up, it doesn't mean I deserved getting beat up. Maybe it means I might could have expected it, but not deserved it. But it certainly isn't valid criticism of the Knights of Columbus.

But hey, they're the same thing, right? Start with K, 3 words, obviously must be about hatin' them blacks.
 
The Leader of Gamergate 10/28/14 (Tue) 16:37:21 ID: 1a37bf No.321933>>323244>>323263
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The nazis were just as diverse as #notyourshield and you are still being taught they wanted to kill everyone who was not blonde and blue eyed (which was a propaganda lie all along) when all they did was to get rid of the 30's version of SJW.

Found on 8chan /gg/
 
The similarities in verbiage and posting style, e.g. recurring imagery of the use of "bar" tools to perform sexual assault, etc.
I didn't ask why you thought it was a sockpuppet account she made, but why you think that specific tweet made 6 minutes after she posted about being doxxed was the one she was claiming was the dox. That doesn't fit at all.

Yeah, she's had this odd thing going about 8chan. She created an "angry gamergater" meme there to mock them and took some heat because the "screaming little kid" she used for the mocking graphic turned out to be from an autism awareness powerpoint.

https://twitter.com/Battybuddy/status/520842166013140993
You mean this shutterstock image?

She even tweeted a picture of a supposed "raid" prep graphic that was purportedly in retaliation for her press coverage, when exif data from the picture showed the picture posted on 8chan was made days previous to the media coverage it was supposedly in response to.

https://twitter.com/Ghoel_Diggy/status/523159090969604096
Of course, we can't confirm that the exif data is actually from that, since images on 8chan get deleted so the url that is for goes to a 404 page. So one of them is lying, but neither one can be proven. Yay! Wait, no, that's not good at all. But yes, if that's true, that's bad for her, because it also mentions the threats that chased her out (that within the image are claimed to be a fake as well), which didn't happen until the 10th. This also would mean those threats (that she reported to the police and FBI) are fake, and she's risking her livelihood over this, since it wouldn't go over well if the authorities discovered that.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
I didn't ask why you thought it was a sockpuppet account she made, but why you think that specific tweet made 6 minutes after she posted about being doxxed was the one she was claiming was the dox. That doesn't fit at all.
I didn't say it was her who was sockpuppetting, though I suppose that's a possibility. I also didn't say the 6 minute later tweet WAS the dox, just that she knew 6 mins earlier than this throwaway account which ran its entire lifespan in a few minutes did. She'd have had to have been living on 8chan.


So now I'm left to wonder, instead of swiping it off an autism awareness website, did she pay 30 bucks to download it. I'm not sure which I'd find more wierd.



Of course, we can't confirm that the exif data is actually from that, since images on 8chan get deleted so the url that is for goes to a 404 page. So one of them is lying, but neither one can be proven. Yay! Wait, no, that's not good at all. But yes, if that's true, that's bad for her, because it also mentions the threats that chased her out (that within the image are claimed to be a fake as well), which didn't happen until the 10th. This also would mean those threats (that she reported to the police and FBI) are fake, and she's risking her livelihood over this, since it wouldn't go over well if the authorities discovered that.
So the hysterical, seething SJW who spends her free time provoking 8chan for fun, might not have exercised good judgement? Color me surprised.[DOUBLEPOST=1414539005,1414538967][/DOUBLEPOST]
As far as I know, there is no leader, but obviously this person, posting on the GG chan and not getting modded to hell for it, is a GG supporter.
The whole point of 8chan is that it doesn't get "modded to hell," it was a breakaway group of 4channers who thought Moot and his mods were too heavy handed.
 
She even tweeted a picture of a supposed "raid" prep graphic that was purportedly in retaliation for her press coverage, when exif data from the picture showed the picture posted on 8chan was made days previous to the media coverage it was supposedly in response to.

https://twitter.com/Ghoel_Diggy/status/523159090969604096

Just a note, that's not really what I would call EXIF data. That picture just looks mostly like file properties, and doesn't really mean anything. EXIF is stuff like this:

 

GasBandit

Staff member
Just a note, that's not really what I would call EXIF data. That picture just looks mostly like file properties, and doesn't really mean anything. EXIF is stuff like this:

It's an edited down version of an online EXIF data extractor. Here's the archive link -

https://archive.today/P5wl4[DOUBLEPOST=1414539343,1414539253][/DOUBLEPOST]
Ah, so now she's hysterical and seething, and possibly a thief.
It's plain to see she's both the former, and the latter depends on your definition of "stealing." My angle was it would have been in bad taste that she went looking for pictures of autistic children to mock people she didn't agree with.
 
I didn't say it was her who was sockpuppetting, though I suppose that's a possibility. I also didn't say the 6 minute later tweet WAS the dox, just that she knew 6 mins earlier than this throwaway account which ran its entire lifespan in a few minutes did. She'd have had to have been living on 8chan.
Ah, Fart's comment about "seeing the future" made it sound like he thought that second tweet was the dox and she somehow knew about it before it happened, and I mistakenly ascribed idea to you as well. I see what you're saying now. On that note, she did say in an article she watched it as it happened.

So the hysterical, seething SJW who spends her free time provoking 8chan for fun, might not have exercised good judgement? Color me surprised.
Well, if the whole thing's a fake, then she purposefully provoked them and calculated the whole thing. And from the same article, she's aware that if it was fake, she's risking jail time and her career. So she's either a really ballsy con artist, or the other dude is lying. I'm inclined to go with the latter, with the option to change my mind if she gets caught faking something like this in the future (because, if she'll do something like this once for publicity, she'll probably do it again).
 
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