This Thread Contains An Exhaustive List Of Valid Reasons to Continue The War On Drugs
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1) thanks for ruining the thread
2) Sure, why not?
2) Sure, why not?
1) Like a give a fuck about your smug little hissy fit
2) The most common concern about rampant drug use for the more "hardcore" (read: highly addictive) narcotics is that junkies tend to blow all their cash on drugs. When they run out of cash, they still need a fix, so they turn to petty crime. Thus if there is no check on how much heroin/meth/crack/etc. a person can consume, then you will have an increase in crime as junkies all over try to find way to pay for it. If that happens, people who don't use drugs at all begin to suffer. Don't you think that would be a problem? Or would legalization somehow make those drugs more accessible to the point where people won't ever feel the need to steal for them?
2) The most common concern about rampant drug use for the more "hardcore" (read: highly addictive) narcotics is that junkies tend to blow all their cash on drugs. When they run out of cash, they still need a fix, so they turn to petty crime. Thus if there is no check on how much heroin/meth/crack/etc. a person can consume, then you will have an increase in crime as junkies all over try to find way to pay for it. If that happens, people who don't use drugs at all begin to suffer. Don't you think that would be a problem? Or would legalization somehow make those drugs more accessible to the point where people won't ever feel the need to steal for them?
Dave
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There's a stark difference between heroin and meth/crack and the types of drugs that have a realistic chance of being legalized - mostly marijuana in this case.
I favor legalization of marijuana but that's pretty much it. Most every other illegal drug actually has destructive properties. Of course, that doesn't stop tobacco or alcohol from being legal, but whatever.
I favor legalization of marijuana but that's pretty much it. Most every other illegal drug actually has destructive properties. Of course, that doesn't stop tobacco or alcohol from being legal, but whatever.
GasBandit
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I have yet to hear of a crime committed, or silly activity, or even worthwhile story beginning with "I had smoked sooooo much tobacco."
And what stops alcohol from being illegal is mostly what happened the last time we tried to make alcohol illegal.
... that I sold Manhattan Island for $24 worth of trade beads.
I agree with you about legalizing marijuana, and I wouldn't want to see any others legalized.
Honestly? Yes. Not just for hypocrisy's sake, either (tobacco ok but not pot, etc).
I believe most drugs would self-limit. People who abuse alcohol die early and remove themselves from the gene pool, I can only assume the same would be true for people who overindulge in meth/crack/heroin/etc. If a guy commits a petty crime because he is trying to get money for something, then he should go to jail for his petty crime, the reason he needed the money should not matter. If I get mugged on my way home from the opera at gunpoint, I would not hold liable the gun manufacturer, the pusher, the company who made his shoes, his family, nor his bookie. I would hold him responsible, and nobody else.
I realize I sound a bit like Thomas Paine here, but at least I'm no GasBandit , right?
--Patrick
GasBandit
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Ironically, while I am in favor of the legalization of marijuana... the little woman who is from the Netherlands absolutely is not.[DOUBLEPOST=1351107095][/DOUBLEPOST]
That ain't tobacco in the peace pipe, jack.
I might be in favor of legalizing harder drugs (not necessarily all hard drugs) if they were tightly regulated. I don't have a good picture in my mind of what that would look like, but it is conceivable to me that regulated drug use may be better than unregulated but illegal drug use.
GasBandit
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You better be careful. Advocating personal responsibility and consequences for actions... that's a hangin' offense these days.
While I applaud your advocacy for personal responsibility, it still leads to the problem of you getting mugged in the first place. That could become a much more common occurrence if drug use was not checked. Yes, we could catch the junkies after they rob/mug/shoot people and throw them in jail, but they still committed those crimes in the first place. I would rather not see those things happen in greater frequency.
But would they really happen in greater frequency than they already do? Even with drugs being illegal, we still have people being robbed/mugged/shot for money to buy (illegal) drugs with; not to mention all of the crime that takes place during the import/export of said drugs. If the drugs were legal, and regulated in any way, we at least wouldn't have as much black market activity, drug gangs, and random innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.
Yeah, do you really want stuff that leads to these kinds of incidents legalized?
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For some reason this also brought to mind the idea of supply and demand. If demand goes up and it's a legal substance, will supply respond, and suddenly a "hit" of whatever really hard drug becomes on the order of the same price as a cigarette? What would happen to the current negative effects of "you need a lot of money for it" if that essentially becomes a non-issue as well? Will the same negative effects happen? (Take out the idea of the sin taxes that will inevitably be raised on them, so it's more like $10 a hit, negating the entire argument here, but let's just pretend for a second here)
I don't know where I stand in general on this type of thing, but that thought came to me.
North_Ranger
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And yet alcohol is the most popular social lubricant used to enable schtoinking
Like any substance, there is a benefit threshold beyond which the negatives start to outweigh the positives.And yet alcohol is the most popular social lubricant used to enable schtoinking
--Patrick
North_Ranger
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True, true. But there is also truth in WarCraft 3, where the human mating call was introduced: "I'm so wasted, I'm so wasted!"
I had smoked sooooo much tobacco, and then I got lung cancer and died a terrible, painful death.
Ain't that a crime.
I tossed in a bunch of chew, went on a roller coaster, and proceeded to throw up all over the place. It may not sound all that funny, but my friends sure got a kick out of it.
So we would have the exact same problem that we have now? What current limitation do we have on the amount of heroin that a junkie can consume? Heroin is actually purer and cheaper now than it was when the drug war began.
If we legalized Heroin we could at least start treating junkies as people suffering under a disease rather than people who come in and out of the prison system.
Might not make a huge difference in crime rates but at least in my mind it would be more effective and less costly.
I'm sure he believes we simple-minded folk lack the intellectual capacity for his flawless logic.
Y'know, I mostly agree with you (ie: I'm in favour of legalising marijuhana and nothing else), but your point here...Hmm. You know why most people steal? Yeah. let's collectivise all property, have the government supply food, shelter and enough luxuries for everyone, and everybody works for free. I'm sure it'll work out perfectly.
That is, while I'm all in favour of helping people not have to resort to crime, saying "this would cause people to mug you for money" isn't really a strong argument. A person who's willing to steal is a person who's willing to steal. Everyone has a different limit as to what they'll do in what circumstances, and I'm not saying there can't be perfectly valid reasons for breaking the law (that would make me a pretty big hypocrite, considering I just smoked a joint in a country where it's still illegal, but more seriously, stealing money to avoid starvation is more morally acceptable than stealing to buy a new iPad).
Anyway, my point is, more muggings/thefts/... aren't caused by legalising or not legalising drugs any more than guns kill people. It's still people's own, personal, ethical self who makes the decision. To steal or not, to shoot or not, whatever. You can't try to exterminate all reasons for crime. You can only try to make sure no-one needs to resort to crime - but that way madness lies, and some extreme form of communism.
Put a band-aid on your bleeding heart laddie, it's not a disease it's a problem, a self inflicted one.
Anyone that doesn't think addiction is a disease is a dumbshit.
Anyone that makes a mistake doesn't deserve help. Gotcha.
I guess this is where bootstraps come into play?
I want weed legal. WHY?! Because if its legal, I won't have to buy from lazy white-trash dealers any more. Drug dealers are probably the most unprofessional people on the face of the Earth. You tell them you want some stuff in a month, they forget. They tell you its normal stuff, they accidentally mixed it up with the laced kind. You buy some from you, they want you to smoke it with you. NO! I bought this so I could smoke it at a later date! Sure if it were legal they would make chemically altered stuff, but I could still probably buy pure marijuana like the tobacco people use to roll up their own cigarettes/cigars. I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna toke it anymore! Well...I will, BUT YOU GET MY POINT!
I want to show you something:
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You see that? It's the world tiniest violin playing a sad song for you and your plight.
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