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Too risque for Sesame Street?

#1

Dei

Dei

Sesame Street pulls Katy Perry from show - MSN TV News

Basically, Katy Perry filmed a duet with Elmo for Sesame Street, but parents who saw the clip on YouTube threw a fit that her outfit wasn't appropriate for the show so it was pulled. I'm kind of torn on the whole thing personally. I certainly wouldn't want a 4 year old wearing something like that, but it's an adult, and it's not *too* terrible, I'm pretty sure all kids have seen boobs before. The song itself was kind of cute, and the producers of the show didn't see a problem with it when it was itself filmed.


#2



Chibibar

I thought it was kinda cute.

but hey... people complain about The Count cause it "make fun" of OCD people and Cookie Monster promoting obesity.


#3

R

Raemon777

Eh... dunno. I'm actually one of the people who AGREE with things like the cookie monster singing "cookies are a sometimes food." I'm fine with Sesame Street being something parents should never have to worry about ever being a negative influence on their kids. I don't think the outfit in question is quite "negative," but it's the sort of the thing which, combined with Barbie and every other female role model available for girls... I understand why people would be wary of Sesame street going down that route. Especially since this really is an area where "slippery slope" applies.

If the outfit was even slightly less risque it wouldn't have been an issue at all.


#4

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Is balet inappropriate for kids? Because seriously, her outfit is no worse than that.

Katy Perry gives me inappropriate thoughts though.


#5

Espy

Espy

Hey how about this Sesame Street: Maybe don't invite a guest on whose primary source of work is selling her sexuality and then be surprised when she shows up with her tits hanging out, hmm?


#6



Iaculus

I Kissed Big Bird (And I Liked It)?


#7

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

It's okay, dude, we all know Big Bird is very mature for his age.


#8

R

Raemon777

Hey how about this Sesame Street: Maybe don't invite a guest on whose primary source of work is selling her sexuality and then be surprised when she shows up with her tits hanging out, hmm?
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This also.


#9

Fun Size

Fun Size

Meh. It looked like a party dress. I really didn't think anything about it until Elmo motorboated her.


#10

Seraphyn

Seraphyn

Meh. Nothing to get upset about if you ask me.


#11

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Doesn't seem any more risque than what Disney princesses wear. Besides, what are 4 year olds going to think of it? They're still busy giggling every time someone says "butt."


#12



Chibibar

ThatNickGuy said:
Doesn't seem any more risque than what Disney princesses wear. Besides, what are 4 year olds going to think of it? They're still busy giggling every time someone says "butt."
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Bell and Ariel is more risque than that :)


#13

Covar

Covar

meh, She's only on the show for the parents anyway. No point not pulling her. It's my understanding Sesame Street has a pretty long waiting list of celebrities who want to be on it.


#14

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

It should be perfectly fine to use Katy as a role model for her gender. It does not matter if you have talent, all that matters about your self worth is how you look. A perfectly acceptable message to send.


#15

strawman

strawman

At some point there's a line that has to be drawn, and the kicker is that the line is actually a wide gray field that moves all the time. So far everyone that has commented on it has said, essentially, "Well, I'm not sure, maybe, maybe not." or "It's not that bad" - suggesting that it sure is close, if not over the line.

So when something is this close to the line, and a lot of people complain, then a show which directly depends on contributions from viewers is probably going to pull it.

Does it really matter? Is Sesame street poorer for cutting it? Should they ring up Lady Gaga next and have her wear her meat dress for the next skit?

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It's probably worth pointing out that she's also wearing a veil in the clip and I'm sure a lot of people consider that a beautiful wedding dress.


#16

Adam

Adammon

First Lady Puffinstuff said:
Does it really matter? Is Sesame street poorer for cutting it? Should they ring up Lady Gaga next and have her wear her meat dress for the next skit?
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No but
might require a little bit of explaining :)


#17



Philosopher B.

Hey hey hey! What about getting some clothes on Elmo? Dude is butt-ass naked.

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But seriously, when I think Sesame Street, I don't think 'jiggly boobs'.

HAHA RETCON BIATCHES :cool:


#18

@Li3n

@Li3n

On the one hand protecting 4 year old from boobs is retarded... on the other i totally agree with keeping Katy Perry singing away from everybody... guess i'm torn on this issue.


#19

Vrii

Vrii

Amorous Eyes;440080][QUOTE=Philosopher B. said:
when I think Sesame Street, I don't think 'epic boob jiggle'.
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There was no 'epic boob jiggle' anywhere in that video.[/QUOTE]

Sadly.


#20



Chazwozel

I wouldn't mind my 3 year old seeing that. Same old song. People have a shit fit over the human body, but yet, you wouldn't hear any bitching about violent content. I'd rather my kids see some cleavage over someone getting shot any day.


#21

@Li3n

@Li3n

Amorous Eyes;440088][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:
I wouldn't mind my 3 year old seeing that. Same old song. People have a shit fit over the human body, but yet, you wouldn't hear any bitching about violent content. I'd rather my kids see some cleavage over someone getting shot any day.
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I long for the days when dismemberment, the excessive use of both blunt and sharp weaponry, self immolation and such where still considered good ol' fun.
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Well there is the fact that Looney Toons where actually made to be show before films in the cinema... and they still kept some of the same humour when they moved to TV for a while...

Animation Age Ghettoization sucks.


#22

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Seeing it on HD this morning on Good Morning America, there was a healthy amount of jiggle.


#23

LittleSin

LittleSin

I don't see what the big deal is.

By this logic I should be sheltering my son from seieng my sister, my step mom, my female friends, the cashier at the corner store, my doctor, my cousins....


#24

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Amorous Eyes;440088][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:
I wouldn't mind my 3 year old seeing that. Same old song. People have a shit fit over the human body, but yet, you wouldn't hear any bitching about violent content. I'd rather my kids see some cleavage over someone getting shot any day.
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I long for the days when dismemberment, the excessive use of both blunt and sharp weaponry, self immolation and such where still considered good ol' fun.

First two reference the good days of Tom & Jerry, the last is Daffy who committed suicide on stage:

..and it was all hilarious to watch.

These days, you can't even have a character smoke anymore... and they edit it out of the old cartoons where they did. Lame.[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, Warner Bros. cartoons and their love of suicide.

Pepe le Pew threatens it twice and tries to commit once in this gem.



4:00 and 5:05 in the videos.


#25

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

sixpackshaker said:
Seeing it on HD this morning on Good Morning America, there was a healthy amount of jiggle.
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"Healthy" in HD perhaps, but there is nothing "epic".

Besides, it's not like there aren't other more questionable things on sesame street



#26

Espy

Espy

I wouldn't want my little kids seeing it.

Not because Kate Perry has boobs mind you, merely because it's Kate Perry.


#27

Dei

Dei

I let my 4 year old daughter watch it, her comment was "Why won't Elmo play dress up?! I like to play dress up!"


#28

strawman

strawman

Tinwhistler said:
I let my 10 year old son watch it. His comment was "nice tits!"


I kid, I kid.
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I figured you were kidding because when he sees a good set he usually says "cans" not "tits".


#29



makare

Sesame Street has gotten so candy assed saccharine anyway. I remember seeing segments about actual breastfeeding on the show. Now it is all Elmo all the time. Might as well just watch Barney it's so damn inane.


#30

Morphine

Morphine

Pfff
Vanessa Williams in the movie "Elmo in Grouchland" was wearing something quite sexy too and no one said anything.



Ugh, people and their exaggerations. Like a sesame street sketch is going to "pervert" a bunch of 4 year olds. Seriously, they've seen breasts. And smaller outfits.


#31

Dave

Dave

Anyone see Katie Perry last night on Saturday Night Live? She came on wearing a tight Elmo shirt and the whole bit was about how big her boobs were and how Elmo's head was all stretched out. Then they talked about how she shouldn't be ashamed of her body and that people needed to get over it.


-heh-


#32

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

Dave said:
Anyone see Katie Perry last night on Saturday Night Live? She came on wearing a tight Elmo shirt and the whole bit was about how big her boobs were and how Elmo's head was all stretched out. Then they talked about how she shouldn't be ashamed of her body and that people needed to get over it.


-heh-
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I haven't but, for some reason, I really want to.


#33

Norris

Norris

Dave said:
Anyone see Katie Perry last night on Saturday Night Live? She came on wearing a tight Elmo shirt and the whole bit was about how big her boobs were and how Elmo's head was all stretched out. Then they talked about how she shouldn't be ashamed of her body and that people needed to get over it.


-heh-
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All in the context of a sketch that managed to be funny. They even stole of her fiance's jokes from Twitter. Speaking of, I knew fuck all about Katy Perry until I saw the Sesame Street video and SNL last night. I don't particularly care for her music but DAMN she's hot.


#34

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

Tinwhistler said:
True story: When my son was 5, he liked the Cartoon Network and Nick Toons, and was constantly bugging me to switch the channels for him. He already knew how to read and how to surf the web a bit, and knew the channel numbers for his two favorite channels. So one day, I showed him how to use the remote, tossed it to him, and went off to take a leak.

I walk back into the living room, not two minutes later, and my son is glued to the TV. My brain goes "Wait a minute. Something is wrong here.". I think I was just stunned, because it took me a good 20 seconds to realize that in the time I was gone, he had figured out how to open the channel guide, find the adult programming, say he was an adult, and then buy porn.

Like father like son, I guess.
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When he was FIVE? Man, I always thought I started thinking about that stuff at a very young age, but I see I was wrong!


#35



Philosopher B.

Day-um. Kid didn't waste time.


#36

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Did Maya Rudolph and Amy Poeler rejoin the cast of SNL?



#37

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

SNL likes to bring popular cast members back for guest spots once in a while. Sweet clip!


#38

fade

fade

I honestly thought this whole thing was stupid. Unless you're Amish or Alaskan, your kid has seen cleavage. And will again. The kids themselves probably wouldn't even notice.


#39

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Seems like a lot of parents don't realize that children don't see things the way adults do.

Because a lot of parents are morons.


#40

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

escushion said:
Seems like a lot of parents don't realize that children don't see things the way adults do.

Because a lot of parents are morons.
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Before you label many parents idiots, keep in mind the paternal/maternal instinct tends to hold priority over rationality. It's not an excuse for foolish behavior, but it is a cause of it.


#41

Espy

Espy

I don't see how people having differing moral standards is "foolish behavior" or "moronic". While again, I don't have any real issues with this (other than it's Kate Perry, thats a pretty damn big issue) I totally understand a parent not being comfortable with her or her tits being on the show. I may not agree, but I get it. Everyone has differing comfort levels as a parent when it comes to their kids and I don't see any problems with Sesame Street playing it safe.


#42

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

It's moronic to think that a kid is going to see it and think of it as an adult does. They can have their own reasons for disapproving, but that one is stupid.


#43

Espy

Espy

Thats fair, I didn't read anything stating that was the reason but I agree, thats not a terribly wise one.


#44

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

escushion said:
It's moronic to think that a kid is going to see it and think of it as an adult does. They can have their own reasons for disapproving, but that one is stupid.
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Any one appearing on Sesame Street falls into the role model category. I wouldn't want my kids identifying with a woman with her tits out and a dress that barely falls below her ass. It is just a simple modesty standard.


#45

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

I have no trouble with my little sister watching stuff about Tinkerbell (and neither do my parents), but I guess that this is personal criteria.


#46

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Silver Jelly said:
I have no trouble with my little sister watching stuff about Tinkerbell (and neither do my parents), but I guess that this is personal criteria.
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If you were my son, I'd have a problem with you still watching Tinkerbell cartoons...


#47

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

I meant my sisteeeeeer! (she is 7 years old!)

I have to admit, though, that Tinkerbell IS kinda hot. In a tiny semi-insectoid kind of way.


#48

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

yeah, I knew where you were coming from, but I could not pass it up.


#49

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

Oh, now I see it. Man, my brain is so broken. My master's thesis is due in two days and I still have looooots of pages to do. I've been working pretty hard... If it weren't for tinkerbell's curves, I think I would have gone mad already.


#50

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Real people are just the same as cartoon fairies...


#51

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

And that it isn't right to show them Soylent Green?


#52

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Tinwhistler;440847][QUOTE=sixpackshaker said:
Real people are just the same as cartoon fairies...
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So, let me see if i have interpreted your sarcasm correctly. Are you saying that it's ok to show guro and anime rape to kids, because it's not real people?[/QUOTE]

So if I read you correctly, you think there is no difference between a flying faerie sprinkling magic dust and rape...


#53

strawman

strawman

sixpackshaker;440859][QUOTE=Tinwhistler;440847][QUOTE=sixpackshaker said:
Real people are just the same as cartoon fairies...
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So, let me see if i have interpreted your sarcasm correctly. Are you saying that it's ok to show guro and anime rape to kids, because it's not real people?[/QUOTE]

So if I read you correctly, you think there is no difference between a flying faerie sprinkling magic dust and rape...[/QUOTE]



#54

strawman

strawman

It may be worth pointing out that appropriateness has a great deal to do with the situation.

Pocohontas and Tinkerbell are dressed as such because that is appropriate daily wear for their culture.

Dressing in a bathing suit that shows more than the Elmo clip is appropriate at a swimming pool, but would be inappropriate at the office.

I think one of the reasons people are a bit divided about this clip is that there's no information about the environment. She starts out in an alley or on the street, and the clips flick around to other locales, although I don't know that she fits in any of them. Her outfit would obviously be fine in a G rated movie as a wedding dress - at a wedding.

Keep in mind also that tinkerbell's outfit covers far more of her breast than Katy's did.


#55

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

MY post was about role modeling. I don't think it is a good idea to plant the seeds of dressing skimpily on a children's educational show. Let some one else be a negative influence on children.

There are not that many people that sees Tinkerbell as a model to emulate, where a kid could think Katy is worth emulating.

What he heck does Tinkerbell have to do with Sesame Street?

Also a kid seeing a cartoon rape will be less traumatized than seeing the real thing. It is in no way OK, but less harmful.


#56



Chazwozel

First Lady Puffinstuff said:
It may be worth pointing out that appropriateness has a great deal to do with the situation.

Pocohontas and Tinkerbell are dressed as such because that is appropriate daily wear for their culture.

Dressing in a bathing suit that shows more than the Elmo clip is appropriate at a swimming pool, but would be inappropriate at the office.

I think one of the reasons people are a bit divided about this clip is that there's no information about the environment. She starts out in an alley or on the street, and the clips flick around to other locales, although I don't know that she fits in any of them. Her outfit would obviously be fine in a G rated movie as a wedding dress - at a wedding.

Keep in mind also that tinkerbell's outfit covers far more of her breast than Katy's did.
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She's asking Elmo to play dress up.


#57

Snuffleupagus

Snuffleupagus

I have it on good authority that Big Bird was offended.


#58



Chazwozel

My wife has Katy Perry and Disney both beat, she walks around the house top-less and exposes our daughter to bewbage on a daily basis.


#59

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker



Not always.


#60

strawman

strawman

Tinwhistler said:
Actually, Disney invented that look for fairies. Historically, they were depicted with long flowing outfits. Here's a Victorian painting of a fairy riding butterflies, for comparison.
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I think that if you account for skimpy-clothing inflation, you'll find that those images were equally risque for their time as Tinkerbell is for our time. Shoot, you can see her ankles! What were these artists teaching kids in those days?!

I suspect you are right on the size issue. The outfit Katy is wearing very much accentuates her size. Tinkerbell's outfit accentuates, if anything, her hips.


#61

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

And in other Cottingley Fairy photos they are wearing much less. Look up art for "Green Fairy" and there will be nudes from the Victorian Era.


#62

tegid

tegid

I can see the problem with it being Katy Perry, but not with the outfit at all. It doesn't look, unlike everything she usually wears, designed to make her as sexy as possible.


#63

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

Tinwhistler said:
why is it ok for Tink to be a sexpot, but not Katy Perry
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They are both okay in my book :awesome:


But you already knew that.


#64

Dave

Dave

Chazwozel said:
My wife has Katy Perry and Disney both beat, she walks around the house top-less and exposes our daughter to bewbage on a daily basis.
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POIDH.


I'm not sure, but I think this is the first time I've used that line.


#65

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

I have to admit, though, that while she appeared in her original dress, for most of the last Tinkerbell film I saw my sister watching she was dressed up like this:


Not that we care at home, but she has surely been toned down (even if her sexy waist/hip combo is still there)


#66

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

Well, I've seen scene sin wich she is dressed in her ususal costume, but the only time I've sat down to watch (I think it was the final part of the second movie) she was dressed in this kind of "adventure gear". Maybe there's more scenes in wich she wears her classic dres than I thought, though.


#67

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I'm glad this has turned into a fairy discussion.


#68

Espy

Espy

escushion said:
I'm glad this has turned into a fairy discussion.
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Well it was bound to I suppose.


#69

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Rob Liefeld called and wants his everything back.


#70

GasBandit

GasBandit

Tinwhistler said:
sexy tinkerbell by *mainasha on deviantART
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#71

Espy

Espy

sixpackshaker said:
Rob Liefeld called and wants his everything back.
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lol


#72

fade

fade

Fo' realz. AVOID DRAWING FEET AT ALL COST.


#73

LittleSin

LittleSin

Really resisting commenting on that guys devart. All his pics are so stylized it hard to pass a valid critique...but he shows no understanding of the human figure at all.

Or is it a she?


#74

General Specific

General Specific

Dave said:
Anyone see Katie Perry last night on Saturday Night Live? She came on wearing a tight Elmo shirt and the whole bit was about how big her boobs were and how Elmo's head was all stretched out. Then they talked about how she shouldn't be ashamed of her body and that people needed to get over it.


-heh-
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I uh.... like the.... she..... yeah....


#75

strawman

strawman

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General Specific said:


I uh.... like the.... she..... yeah....
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