Well, you know, if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow...
What does the Confederate flag mean?
- Thread starter Chad Sexington
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This has been my complaint about the whole situation. It seems hypocritical to ban one flag that offends people due to racist connotation but not other flags. That right there is racism, just applied to flags.
--Patrick
Meh. We've tried to legislate problems away by banning or removing the words for them for years. Doesn't work. Making the "existence minimum" (the bare minimum our government will give you no matter what) a "living payment" didn't change anything about the situation of our poor. Saying we couldn't use "immigrants" but had to use "allochtones"...."no wait, scrap "allochtones" and say "person of recent foreign descent" didn't change anything about racism towards people with another color. Don't say "handicapped", say "disabled". Don't say "disabled", say "differently able". Don't say....It's ridiculous.
There are times when a word has only negative meaning - nigger, kike, etc. There's a difference, though. One's an insult, the other's a descriptor that slowly got more and more baggage added to it.
Should you proudly display the confederate flag? Or the nazi flag? Or the German Reich flag, or half a dozen others like them? No. Should you be allowed to display them? To use them, appropriately, in context? Obviously. Stupid bans are stupid. Or did anyone think Wolfenstein wasn't about fighting nazis?
There are times when a word has only negative meaning - nigger, kike, etc. There's a difference, though. One's an insult, the other's a descriptor that slowly got more and more baggage added to it.
Should you proudly display the confederate flag? Or the nazi flag? Or the German Reich flag, or half a dozen others like them? No. Should you be allowed to display them? To use them, appropriately, in context? Obviously. Stupid bans are stupid. Or did anyone think Wolfenstein wasn't about fighting nazis?
GasBandit
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And even if they did open that pandora's box, there'll always be another flag, and then another, and then another that offends somebody. Hell, seems like half the stupid, butthurt, smelly, above-ground-sewer world finds the American flag offensive.
But I guess when the torches and pitchforks come out, it's not smart to be the voice of reason unless you fancy getting trampled to death. Just gotta go with the flow.
I was actually going to mention this too - plenty of people feel offended by the US flag, and the Belgian one, and half a dozen others? Whose feelings are we allowed to hurt and whose won't we?
I was wondering the same thing.
I was thinking it was more like "discontinuation" than outright ban. They are ceasing to stock on item, like they do with many, many items.
A sanction implies punishment, though (and of whom?) They are just choosing to not carry an unpopular item.
If you look at sales, it is not unpopular.
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The one I don't understand is all the battlefields banning the sale.
For a moment I was like "What's this flag about gay temples?"[DOUBLEPOST=1435349783,1435349480][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, do not google Gay Pride Swastikas.Here we go, let's just offend everybody.
I'm sure there was a recent spike in sales, sure...
You forgot the Arabic script at the bottom, too.Here we go, let's just offend everybody.
Nazi flag is illegal in Germany and France though...
figmentPez
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Anyone know how the Rising Sun flag is treated in Japan? I've seen buzz lately about trying to get westerners to stop using it.
Best I can find is that it's still used some in Japan (even though it's no longer the national flag) and that it also has begun to get co-opted by some extreme right-wing groups. So that's probably where the scuttlebutt is coming from.
Speaking for Germany, the biggest problem we still have is with the Swastika flags. 'Softer' versions of Nazi flags are still not banned per se, which I personally think is stupid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskriegsflagge
So you can still fly the Nazi war flag, but not the state flag. In my opinion all flags with the black, white and red imaginery should be made illegal. But then the Neonazis would just create their own version of a flag to rally in their stupidism and hate, and more legal battles would have to be fought.
My complaint is the inconsistency with which the various bans/sanctions are applied, especially when the reasoning behind it SEEMS to be less one of "we regret propagating a symbol of hatred and oppression" and more one of "we were worried we would lose sales if we did not do this."
--Patrick
Well just to be clear, the only "ban" was to remove the flag from government places. It doesn't belong there. Government place gets an American flag. What other country flies a full mast flag at a government building without the main flag anywhere in proximity. State flags are always flown lower right next to or below the American flag. The South Carolina Confederate one was by itself in a courtyard.
All other "bans" apply to vendors that don't want to associate with it. That's what everyone's bitching over. It's not illegal to fly the Confederate flag; doing so is just a proclamation of being a stupid, inbred hick.
I hope that the auto filter changed that, or do you really think that African American is a racial slur?
GasBandit
Staff member
The filter does that.
I remember being preached to here about African American being a racist term. My eyes were rolling so fast, I got dizzy.
A teacher at my kids' school got told off by a parent for using "y'all" since the parent believed it was a racial slur.
The filter. Which I find a bit problematic - African American is a small subset of all people with a melanin handicap
(sorry, sorry....Whatever you deem the correct way of referencing someone with a skin color darker than a certain tint). Most are, after all, just plain African, or African European, or Indian, or a host of other possibilities. Admittedly, I wouldn't normally use the filtered word and I can't really see the point of it, but having it be replaced by something that's unequivocally not the smae has always irked me.
