What Heroes did you want to see slapped around?

[Dave]

A spinoff of the villains thread.

What heroes did you want to see beat up? That doesn't mean that the bad guys win, necessarily, because bad guys winning can be a terrible thing. But you just HATE the heroes.

For me one of the biggies is He-Man. I wanted to see that wussy slapped down hard.

 

[Yoshimickster]

Ditto on He-man. And his disguise is worse than Clark Kent.

Cyclops from X-men. He is an arrogant jerk, he treated his first and second wives like shit, and he is way too strict on his team. Also, how the hell hasn't anyone killed him? He has a beam that he literally can't control and needs time to target things and someone hasn't come up with the idea to just chop his head off when he's not looking? THIS IS BASIC LOGIC!

And depending on the writer: Superman and Batman. If they have the right writer they are great, but they have had some SHITTY writers in the past. Superman would sometimes be too whiney or judgmental, and Batman would be...All stars Batman. Don't need to say any more than that.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Jason Todd/Robin, wait never mind...[DOUBLEPOST=1346955848][/DOUBLEPOST]How about heroes that you get tired of seeing slapped around...

The Question late 80's run, he got his ass handed to him by every low-life crack-head in Hub City.

 

[Cheesy1]

Rusty Venture's dad, Jonas. And most of the original Team Venture for that matter!

 

[Yoshimickster]

The entire illuminati from Marvel comics. Oh aren't you guys soooooooooooo special! You guys totally deserved to get the reality gems. The civil war was SUCH a good idea. And sending off Hulk to a planet where he'd be enslaved by a gladiator ring? BRILLIANT! Even if they didn't kill his wife it was still a dick move.

 

[GasBandit]

All of them, of course. Except the Tick. He's ok.

 

[Dave]

The entire illuminati from Marvel comics. Oh aren't you guys soooooooooooo special! You guys totally deserved to get the reality gems. The civil war was SUCH a good idea. And sending off Hulk to a planet where he'd be enslaved by a gladiator ring? BRILLIANT! Even if they didn't kill his wife it was still a dick move.

I agree with this. For a bunch of supposed super geniuses, they sure do some insanely stupid things.

 

[WasabiPoptart]

Fred from Scooby Doo because he's a complete idiot.

And Cyclops.

And Suì-Fēng from Bleach.

 

[Reverent-one]

The entire illuminati from Marvel comics. Oh aren't you guys soooooooooooo special! You guys totally deserved to get the reality gems. The civil war was SUCH a good idea. And sending off Hulk to a planet where he'd be enslaved by a gladiator ring? BRILLIANT! Even if they didn't kill his wife it was still a dick move.

Niether of those things were their ideas. Half of them didn't even get involved in the Civil War, and those that did were on opposite sides. As for the Hulk, they didn't send him to that planet, they sent him to a nice, peaceful one, something just went terribly wrong on the trip (Curse you random wormholes!).

 

[Yoshimickster]

Jake Sully from Avatar. His stupid shit eating grin, the fact that he was too stupid to warn the damn Navi about the humans, the fact that he is a word for word rip-off of Dances with Wolves, CHRIST!

Reverent-one

Keep in mind, they still forced him to leave, because it was easier than actually helping him. By Marvel superhero standards this is taking the easy way out.

 

[Reverent-one]

Reverent-one

Keep in mind, they still forced him to leave, because it was easier than actually helping him. By Marvel superhero standards this is taking the easy way out.

They all tried to help him as much as they could (Prof X psychically, Doc Strange banishing the Hulk away from Banner , ect), there's simply nothing that can work. Banner couldn't even commit sucide even though he wanted to.

 

[Yoshimickster]

They all tried to help him as much as they could (Prof X psychically, Doc Strange banishing the Hulk away from Banner , ect), there's simply nothing that can work. Banner couldn't even commit sucide even though he wanted to.

I know but I still find it weird how they couldn't. This is a world of magic, super-science, and super-science magic and they can't help the Hulk? I just don't buy it. Also back to Civil war, you are right not all of the supported the registration act. But god damn Stark/Pym/Richards, whas wrong whichoo? Killing Goliath and what not. Also, Stark can be a douche-nozzle too at times all on his own. Personally I blame the stupid Extremis thing giving him actual super powers. Made him too cocky. It was cool and all, but like I said it made him too cocky.

 

[Reverent-one]

No one could save Aunt May from dying either. Some things are still impossible in the Marvel Universe (mostly when the Status Quo/Plot calls for it). As for the Registration Act stuff, the characterization of the Pro-Reg side is so all over the place it's hard to say whether they went way overboard or had decent reasons. But anyway, I was mainly disagreeing with the massive exaggerations in that first post.

 

[Covar]

They all tried to help him as much as they could (Prof X psychically, Doc Strange banishing the Hulk away from Banner , ect), there's simply nothing that can work. Banner couldn't even commit sucide even though he wanted to.

Plus there was the whole "Just murdered nearly 50 people, including 17 children because he was having a bad day"

In regards to the random wormhole, they had that covered too, but Hulk in his infinite hissy fit destroyed the navigation unit.

 

[Reverent-one]

Plus there was the whole "Just murdered nearly 50 people, including 17 children because he was having a bad day"

Really? I thought he had officially not caused any deaths of innocents. Oh wait, that was a retcon in WWH to make Hulk even more the victim, wasn't it?

 

[sixpackshaker]

Spider-Man mostly because the character has been overexposed for the last 10+ years.

 

[GasBandit]

 

[Yoshimickster]

No one could save Aunt May from dying either. Some things are still impossible in the Marvel Universe (mostly when the Status Quo/Plot calls for it). As for the Registration Act stuff, the characterization of the Pro-Reg side is so all over the place it's hard to say whether they went way overboard or had decent reasons. But anyway, I was mainly disagreeing with the massive exaggerations in that first post.

Now Aunt May's death I will admit is not the registration act's fault. Its SPIDERMAN's fault for admitting to the world that he is a superhero with a billion people who would want to kill him. This was just a dumb, DUMB idea. And rather than accepting her death and forgiving himself(like Aunt May actually said to him as a spirit) he makes a deal with the devil because rather than deal with reality he decides to just Deus ex machina his problems away. I hear they sort of made up for this in Spider Island but it still almost ruined his character for me.

 

[Reverent-one]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was only bringing up Aunt May as healing her was another thing that was impossible in the Marvel universe, since Spider-man basically went to everyone who's anyone and no one could help him.

 

[Covar]

Now Aunt May's death I will admit is not the registration act's fault. Its SPIDERMAN's fault for admitting to the world that he is a superhero with a billion people who would want to kill him. This was just a dumb, DUMB idea. And rather than accepting her death and forgiving himself(like Aunt May actually said to him as a spirit) he makes a deal with the devil because rather than deal with reality he decides to just Deus ex machina his problems away. I hear they sort of made up for this in Spider Island but it still almost ruined his character for me.

Seemed to have killed the hyphen for you. Spider-Man

Really? I thought he had officially not caused any deaths of innocents. Oh wait, that was a retcon in WWH to make Hulk even more the victim, wasn't it?

So the Fantastic Four story arc that depicts the events that cause him to be sent to Planet Hulk explicitly mentions him being responsible for nearly 50 deaths (including double digit children). Just a year later WWH had the rediculous retcon that Hulk never killed anyone, not even with manslaughter, because you know math (longshot should be pissed his powers were stolen). This was the first sign that no one at Marvel actually does any research for their stories, as the Trial of the Incredible Hulk wastes away into the continuity ether. Currently you can see the same thing happening with the depiction of the Phoenix Force in AvX, which will make you seriously question if Bendis and friends actually bothered to read the Dark Phoenix Saga.

 

[Gusto]

 

[Yoshimickster]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was only bringing up Aunt May as healing her was another thing that was impossible in the Marvel universe, since Spider-man basically went to everyone who's anyone and no one could help him.

This is true and I did make him sound a little douchier than needed and apologize. But the whole devil-deal still happened any way, plus the fact that they used such a major story-line as a way to break up him and Mary Jane was just lame. It also goes against his character seeing as how a theme to him is being given a bad deal and being able to deal with it. Bad move Quesada.

Conan Edogawa from Case Closed. A manga hero, but he can change from kid to adult and has super-shoes so its all good. What pisses me off about him is how in one episode he's given a chance to get help from his dad to find the "men in black." And...he says no because he wants to be with his not-girl friend whom he never had the balls to confess his love to. This is just...dumb. And as cool as the super shoe is....why the fuck didn't he just ask for some form of gun? I mean, how many times is a spherical object going to be in your vicinity to be able to be used? Also, Rachel Moore as well. She is supposed to be some damn super tough karate expert and yet she gets captured more than any other Satan-damned person. She also cries at the damn drop of a hat to, which I guess is supposed to make her seem more compassionate but after the 5th time it happens I'm just like "GROW A DAMN STOMACH!"

 

[Gusto]

Also basically EVERYONE from Burn Notice except Bruce Campbell needs to get punched in their shit-eating grins.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Also basically EVERYONE from Burn Notice except Bruce Campbell needs to get punched in their shit-eating grins.

That happens on nearly every episode...

 

[Yoshimickster]

J.D. from Scrubs. After 6 seasons he stops being silly and just an annoying fuck.

 

[Gusto]

J.D. from Scrubs. After 6 seasons he stops being silly and just an annoying fuck.

JD got progressively more annoying. Season 3 was definitely my favourite season of Scrubs but easily JD's worst. He spends the whole season being a whiny bitch and then destroys lives at the finale.

 

[Yoshimickster]

JD got progressively more annoying. Season 3 was definitely my favourite season of Scrubs but easily JD's worst. He spends the whole season being a whiny bitch and then destroys lives at the finale.

Like how about when he just breaks Elliot's heart right after winning her over . She broke up with that nice sea-trainer and then he pulls that. Wh-why would anyone think that would work? That was probably one of the douchiest things a protagonist could do. My god, what a fucking dick! And then 6 seasons later- HE LOVES HER AGAIN! Dear lord.

 

[North_Ranger]

Everybody who's ever taken a ride in the Mystery Machine.

Wheeler and Captain Planet. Ma-Ti's okay, if a bit of a pussy.

Everybody in Cow and Chicken.

The mind-reading guy in Heroes.

 

[ThatNickGuy]

Dexter. Maybe not slapped around, but I'd love to see the last season or two has him going to prison. Yeah, he kills serial killers, but he's also tampered with evidence on numerous times and killed people that could have just been locked up. Whether that would have solved anything, I don't know, but he started by going after the ones that got away because of a bad system. More and more, he goes after guys that he could simply help gather evidence against and ensure they go away forever.

He's a great character, but it'd be REALLY interesting to do a prison season. Everyone finding out the truth about him would pretty much be the end of the show, but you could still do one more with him in prison or something.

 

[Dave]

Dexter. Maybe not slapped around, but I'd love to see the last season or two has him going to prison. Yeah, he kills serial killers, but he's also tampered with evidence on numerous times and killed people that could have just been locked up. Whether that would have solved anything, I don't know, but he started by going after the ones that got away because of a bad system. More and more, he goes after guys that he could simply help gather evidence against and ensure they go away forever.

He's a great character, but it'd be REALLY interesting to do a prison season. Everyone finding out the truth about him would pretty much be the end of the show, but you could still do one more with him in prison or something.

Is he really the hero, though, or just a villain we root for?

 

[ThatNickGuy]

Honestly, that's why I love the show so much. The character lives in such a foggy, grey area of morality that it's incredibly hard to say whether he's a hero or villain.

 

[Yoshimickster]

Technically I guess it would make him an anti-hero, but that damned phrase has been thrown around so much no-one knows who is or who isn't one these days.

Any of the power rangers because ultimately they are violent vigilantes. Yes, the monsters are causing havoc but they the rangers should still give them due process as any criminal. Some of them don't even kill people, they just make things inconvenient like Putty Pig/Dora Circe who just ate a lot. There was like only two ranger series that did this, and every other one just have them straight up killing the monsters. Still love the series, but the rangers probably need to be put in their place.

Ferris Bueller from Ferris Bueller's day off. He falsified documents, lied about having a terminal illness, and goaded his actually sick friend into stealing his father's car. I don't what his bull-shit philosophy says, he is nothing more than some bourgeois white kid who will get away with anything and never face consequences. It is impossible for me as an adult to like this movie any more because of this.

 

[Cajungal]

J.D. from Scrubs. After 6 seasons he stops being silly and just an annoying fuck.

So much this. The funny thing about JD is that he's SO annoying, and he's also probably the one that's most like us. He's annoying partly because of his self-centered behavior and his desire for approval and attention. He's your Facebook friend who posts judgmental bullshit and also the "Bad day, don't even ask...*pout*" But I think most people have those moments. We feel we deserve attention and credit, even when we really don't.

People also love their pain the way JD loves his. Everyone knows that person who hates their mostly sheltered upbringing and just really wants some hardcore suffering to justify their whiny, brooding, or attention-seeking ways.

 

[Yoshimickster]

Cajungal
Indeed, I know a few schmucks like this guy as well. This show proves that just because a character is relatable, don't necessarily mean he's enjoyable. Especially since we all know Doctor Cox is the true main character. Really the show should've been about him saying that right here.

Falco Lombardi from Star Fox. Every time I heard "I guess I should be thankful" I wanted to rip his god-damned head off.

 

[Cheesy1]