GasBandit
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You've got it entirely backwards. I'm not saying the criticism of Carson is racist, I'm saying that previously valid criticism of Obama was called racist so as to stamp out dissent.
Where Do You Stand? (2016 Election)
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Ok. Still wrong.[DOUBLEPOST=1446943867,1446943279][/DOUBLEPOST]
I suppose I should elaborate- I don't doubt pundits did this in some cases. I just don't think it was as common as you claim or as widely believed as credible when it was less than somewhat overt.
GasBandit
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"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American." -Jimmy Carter
"They can’t stand the idea that he’s president, and a piece of it is racism. Not that somebody in one racial group doesn’t like somebody in another racial group, so what? It’s the sense that the white race must rule, that’s what racism is, and they can’t stand the idea that a man who’s not white is president. That is real, that sense of racial superiority and rule is in the hearts of some people in this country." - Chris Matthews
“If you go back to the year 2000, when we had an obvious disaster and – and saw that our voting process needed refinement, and we did that in the America Votes Act and made sure that we could iron out those kinks, now you have the Republicans, who want to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws and literally – and very transparently – block access to the polls to voters who are more likely to vote Democratic candidates than Republican candidates. And it’s nothing short of that blatant.” - Debbie Wasserman Schultzhttp://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/the-50-most-obnoxious-quotes-of-2011-8th-annual/
"Surrounded by middle-aged white guys — a sepia snapshot of the days when such pols ran Washington like their own men’s club — Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at a president who didn’t. But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!" - Maureen Dowd
"The language of GOP racial politics is heavy on euphemisms that allow the speaker to deny any responsibility for the racial content of his message. References to a lack of respect for the ‘Founding Fathers’ and the ‘Constitution’ also make certain ears perk up by demonizing anyone supposedly threatening core ‘old-fashioned American values.’" - Juan Williams
“That Mitch McConnell would have the audacity to tell the president of the United States — not the chief executive, but the commander-in-chief — that ‘I don’t care what you come up with we’re going to be against it.’ Now if that’s not a racist statement I don’t know what is.” - Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) (Who also famously called Justice Clarence Thomas an "Uncle Tom")
My Fellow Blacks, Can I Criticize Dear Leader Now?
"They can’t stand the idea that he’s president, and a piece of it is racism. Not that somebody in one racial group doesn’t like somebody in another racial group, so what? It’s the sense that the white race must rule, that’s what racism is, and they can’t stand the idea that a man who’s not white is president. That is real, that sense of racial superiority and rule is in the hearts of some people in this country." - Chris Matthews
“If you go back to the year 2000, when we had an obvious disaster and – and saw that our voting process needed refinement, and we did that in the America Votes Act and made sure that we could iron out those kinks, now you have the Republicans, who want to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws and literally – and very transparently – block access to the polls to voters who are more likely to vote Democratic candidates than Republican candidates. And it’s nothing short of that blatant.” - Debbie Wasserman Schultzhttp://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/the-50-most-obnoxious-quotes-of-2011-8th-annual/
"Surrounded by middle-aged white guys — a sepia snapshot of the days when such pols ran Washington like their own men’s club — Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at a president who didn’t. But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!" - Maureen Dowd
"The language of GOP racial politics is heavy on euphemisms that allow the speaker to deny any responsibility for the racial content of his message. References to a lack of respect for the ‘Founding Fathers’ and the ‘Constitution’ also make certain ears perk up by demonizing anyone supposedly threatening core ‘old-fashioned American values.’" - Juan Williams
“That Mitch McConnell would have the audacity to tell the president of the United States — not the chief executive, but the commander-in-chief — that ‘I don’t care what you come up with we’re going to be against it.’ Now if that’s not a racist statement I don’t know what is.” - Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) (Who also famously called Justice Clarence Thomas an "Uncle Tom")
My Fellow Blacks, Can I Criticize Dear Leader Now?
Was that for me or GB?
GasBandit
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No, I'm not saying that Carson isn't to be criticized. Just noting he doesn't get the same treatment Obama did and still does.
Boy oh boy do those goalposts keep moving. First you say "it wasn't that widespread," and I show you a small sampling of how ubiquitous it was (and it was), now it's about how the burden of proof is on me to show that the criticism wasn't racist, because obviously criticism of Obama being racist is the default.
Well, fine, here's some links...
House Democrat: Basically all Criticism of Obama is Straight Up Racism (Bennie Thompson). Note that Mitch McConnell never actually said what Thompson says he did.
The Maureen Dowd bit doesn't need a link, Obama did lie (it was a speech about obamacare).
Here's a list of... well, Chris Matthews basically saying every criticism of Obama is racism. There's 20 things there, you're going to tell me it's all really just racism?
Damn, I have to get back to work...
It's not a goalpost, Gas. It's a requirement for making your case. You expect people to accept that what you say is true, that a whole bunch of the criticism of Obama was given a pass because it was called racism by almost all media. That requires three things- that there be criticism, that the people lobbying the criticism be credible, and that criticism on a large scale was dismissed by the media at large.
Including a couple idiots on the left who have diarrhea of the mouth is hardly evidence of that. It can't be shown because it's a fabrication, a convenient narrative for supporting your preconceived notion of unfairness in media when it comes to one bunch versus another bunch.
I'm not trying to convince you. I really don't care about it one way or the other, to be honest. Everyone you supplied in your "sampling of how ubiquitous it was" were almost ALL democratic party operatives. You're 'evidence' is sorely lacking, and that you think you have somehow supplied a world crushing level of it is only evidence of just how poorly you supply it.
But go on ahead and keep posting the same morons no one takes seriously. I'm sure they will be great fodder for your next poorly argued position.
Oh c'mon, no one doubts that. He's a freaking nutter. Don't think the country needs the media to paint him poorly, the guy practically dips himself in the stuff.Talk about moving goalposts. The topic at hand was Ben Carson being a liar and mental incompetent, and how he's trying to make his deficiencies the media's fault. And you manage to make it all about Obama. With no small assist from @Krisken falling right into your trap. Again.
That part we know. The other part was how GB turned it all about Obama, and how you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
If you say so. Sorry I engaged in the conversation.That part we know. The other part was how GB turned it all about Obama, and how you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Now you come on. I was just teasing.
Funny how so many of those still belittling a sitting 2-term president and former senator as nothing but a "community organizer" are falling all over themselves to get behind a definitely bigoted, possibly mentally ill, former neurosurgeon, whose own staff now admits doesn't have a fucking clue.
It's almost as if they are stupid hypocrites!
New Fox poll shows 6 republican candidates more popular than Clinton, Trump still most popular.
Guys, if Trump and Carson are not only the best the Republicans can bring to bear, but also currently in the lead nationally, that's a problem. I'm not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but at least she's not batshit insane, just standard off-the-shelf nepotistic.
I know these polls don't mean much in the long run, but ugh.
Guys, if Trump and Carson are not only the best the Republicans can bring to bear, but also currently in the lead nationally, that's a problem. I'm not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but at least she's not batshit insane, just standard off-the-shelf nepotistic.
I know these polls don't mean much in the long run, but ugh.
Dave
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Bernie is the only viable candidate, IMO. And by viable I mean for the people and cares more about the country than his party or business interests.
I'm going to vote for him, but I fear that the Hillary train is just too well-funded and backed too much by the DNC. They are working harder than anyone to get Hillary the nomination.
I'm going to vote for him, but I fear that the Hillary train is just too well-funded and backed too much by the DNC. They are working harder than anyone to get Hillary the nomination.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, a Fox poll shows Republicans in the lead?
Yeah, not surprising. They did the same thing during 2008 and 2012.
unskew it harder boys, i'm almost to orgasm
A lot of people aren't Clinton fans, even Democrats.
I wouldn't get too put out by the poll. They're generally not good indicators of actual preferences when they're this far out, and even before questioning any of the unstated methodology, their own margins of error make most of the candidate vs. candidate polling basically useless.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/
With the ROUSes?
Dave
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If it came down between Hillary and any current republican I'd vote Hillary, holding my nose the entire way. About the only one that DOESN'T turn my stomach is Kasich and that's probably only because he's a moderate. And some of the things HE spouts is terrible.
So do I have an unfavorable view of Hillary? Yes. Would I vote for her if she got the nomination? Probably. But I'd have to take a shower after I got home.
So do I have an unfavorable view of Hillary? Yes. Would I vote for her if she got the nomination? Probably. But I'd have to take a shower after I got home.
GasBandit
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