Wikilieaks, how far is too far?
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Chibibar
I agree. Now I just read this (short article) from Yahoo news so I'm not sure if it is 100% accurate, but such a leak on location is bad. Now terrorist can attack these location and cause countless harms to many nations not just the U.S. Civilian lives are in danger now from possible attacks to these facilities.
There is a difference between transparency/open government, and providing a list of targets to an enemy.
There really is no excuse for releasing this particular type of information.
The only reason to release it is to cause, create, or aid in the downfall of the US - in other words it is an open declaration of war.
And how do we react to such threats?
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There really is no excuse for releasing this particular type of information.
The only reason to release it is to cause, create, or aid in the downfall of the US - in other words it is an open declaration of war.
And how do we react to such threats?
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Chibibar
Shego + sniper rifle + government contract?There is a difference between transparency/open government, and providing a list of targets to an enemy.
There really is no excuse for releasing this particular type of information.
The only reason to release it is to cause, create, or aid in the downfall of the US - in other words it is an open declaration of war.
And how do we react to such threats?
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I'm beginning to suspect that these sites may have been in the rumored "Blackmail Package" that Assange said he had spread around, in case someone tried to have him killed/captured. Now the only question is if Assange told them to release it or if someone else in the organization did.
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Does anyone know how much of this information has been verified? If I was in charge of the CIA/FBI, the first thing I would do would be deliberately "leak" a combination of embarrassing, but not critical information, and real documents with dates/places changed.
I think the priority would be finding the people leaking the information and stop it at the source, rather than shutting down WikiLeaks. Obviously Julian Assange is getting this information from someone, and those people should not be trusted with the positions they're in now. I would guess as far as espionage goes, it's much better for the info to end up on the internet, than secretly delivered to an enemy agent. At least this way they have a good idea of what the enemy knows.
Of course, all I know about espionage I learned from Jack Ryan, so I could be completely off base.
I think the priority would be finding the people leaking the information and stop it at the source, rather than shutting down WikiLeaks. Obviously Julian Assange is getting this information from someone, and those people should not be trusted with the positions they're in now. I would guess as far as espionage goes, it's much better for the info to end up on the internet, than secretly delivered to an enemy agent. At least this way they have a good idea of what the enemy knows.
Of course, all I know about espionage I learned from Jack Ryan, so I could be completely off base.
he's more valuable alive.
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Chibibar
he's more valuable alive.[/QUOTE]
Of Course. There might be a "life lock" type contingencies that if Assange dies, a whole lot of embarrassing stuff are spewed to the internet.
Failing to see how knowing that "The Panama Canal" is a site critical to US security is somehow more damaging than the rest of the cables already released. Honestly reading the list, it's kinda "duh". Hell, a lot of the North American ones are things already listed as possible terrorist targets from way back in 2001.
Now, if it listed the exact coordinates of secret military bunkers, I could see people having an issue with it. But no, there's none of that there. For example, a Danish insulin plant, a company making anti-snake venom in Australia and a Cobalt mine in the Democratic Republic of Congo are also included.
A bunch more yawn-inducing government over-reaction.
Now, if it listed the exact coordinates of secret military bunkers, I could see people having an issue with it. But no, there's none of that there. For example, a Danish insulin plant, a company making anti-snake venom in Australia and a Cobalt mine in the Democratic Republic of Congo are also included.
A bunch more yawn-inducing government over-reaction.
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he's more valuable alive.[/QUOTE]
Of Course. There might be a "life lock" type contingencies that if Assange dies, a whole lot of embarrassing stuff are spewed to the internet.[/QUOTE]
He has been making some supervillain style threats about releasing data that would be the info-equivalent of a nuke if he's arrested or is killed. If this were a bad movie, James Bond (not one of the good ones, obviously) would have been all over that. That's what this is becoming - a dangerous farce.
"Tell us the no go code for the documents, Assange!" Demanded an inexplicably clown-suited Roger Moore.
Just to be clear, he surrendered himself via appointment. I's not like he was tracked down or anything.
My thoughts exactly.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to him now that he surrendered himself.
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Chibibar
BBC News - Wikileaks defended by Anonymous hacktivists
ok... I'm confuse..
So Anonymous hacker group is helping wikileaks by setting up mirror site AND attacking them with DOS attacks?
ok... I'm confuse..
So Anonymous hacker group is helping wikileaks by setting up mirror site AND attacking them with DOS attacks?
Anonymous isn't behind the DDOS attacks against Wikileaks (at least as far as that article is concerned).
This says that Anonymous is making DDOS attacks against certain websites... attacks that are similar the the DDOS attacks that have been hitting Wikileaks servers (and the perpetrators are currently unknown).
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Chibibar
ok.. I have to re-read it like 4 times. I think I understand now.
thanks for clearing it up
One of the women making accusations against Assange has ties to the CIA.
Is anyone actually surprised by this?
Is anyone actually surprised by this?
I can tell you with 100% certainty that Anon is in complete support of Wikileaks. The chaos, anarchy, and general disaster that the website generates is exactly what is craved by the group. They will be attacking and putting out of comission, anyone who threatens Wikileaks growth and livelyhood.
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Chibibar
Not at all. It looks like it is a setup as more info are available.
also this
so unprotected sex (consensual it seems at this point until we get more info) = rape?
Wow. Did I ever mention that I may have some stock in a company that invested in Apple in the 70s? Who knows! I may be a millionaire and not know it!
Six degrees of Kevin Bacon strikes again. If you look hard enough I'm sure you can tie me to an anti-american group in under 3 steps as well.
But it does make for a good story, and no doubt it will become part of Assange's conspiracy theories, if not used as a key part of his defense.
Basically, one of the parties believed that a contraceptive was in use, but the other party did not oblige. I think it can also apply if a woman tells the man she's with that she's on the pill, but is not.
My only question is: How the hell do you prove that? I mean, I don't know how experienced these ladies are, but sex with a condom and sex without a condom feel distinctly different. You'd think it would come down to "Hey, you don't have a condom on, you really need one to go through that door".
Basically, one of the parties believed that a contraceptive was in use, but the other party did not oblige. I think it can also apply if a woman tells the man she's with that she's on the pill, but is not.[/QUOTE]
Interesting reading around the web on this development. One ting I read is that if the sex was consensual, and the only problem was the use of STD protection and/or contraceptives, then while a crime may have been committed, if there are no damages (ie, STD or pregnancy) resulting from the crime, then even if the conviction is made (which is unlikely when the case is only about she said/he said) the punishment will not be great.
Interestingly it's a crime that only exists in Sweden, and the english version of their penal code is unavailable right now (perhaps being hit by every reporter in the US at the moment). Since it's not a crime in the UK, then extradition may require additional hurdles.
In any case, even if he's convicted of two counts of this crime, I can't imagine that the punishment would be huge.
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Chibibar
Basically, one of the parties believed that a contraceptive was in use, but the other party did not oblige. I think it can also apply if a woman tells the man she's with that she's on the pill, but is not.[/QUOTE]
Interesting reading around the web on this development. One ting I read is that if the sex was consensual, and the only problem was the use of STD protection and/or contraceptives, then while a crime may have been committed, if there are no damages (ie, STD or pregnancy) resulting from the crime, then even if the conviction is made (which is unlikely when the case is only about she said/he said) the punishment will not be great.
Interestingly it's a crime that only exists in Sweden, and the english version of their penal code is unavailable right now (perhaps being hit by every reporter in the US at the moment). Since it's not a crime in the UK, then extradition may require additional hurdles.
In any case, even if he's convicted of two counts of this crime, I can't imagine that the punishment would be huge.[/QUOTE]
Yea, but I think this is the thing to get him out of hiding and hopefully "dispatch" him or slap him with something from the U.S. side.
Or "accidentally" land him in U.S. soil
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Overflight
...this will all end in tears. I just know it.
Assange's responses to these questions are more interesting in what they don't say, and how they are worded than the actual content.
I particularly like his dismissal of a valid question with, "If you trim the vast editorial letter to the singular question actually asked, I would be happy to give it my attention."
He's on a power trip, and enjoying it thoroughly. He is his own, and wikileaks, worst enemy.
I particularly like his dismissal of a valid question with, "If you trim the vast editorial letter to the singular question actually asked, I would be happy to give it my attention."
He's on a power trip, and enjoying it thoroughly. He is his own, and wikileaks, worst enemy.
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JONJONAUG
Man this thread is boring, not nearly enough posting of the actual cables. The Guardian has an awesome breakdown of everything going on.
Here's a fun one about a Texas private security company helping cops in Afghanistan to get high and pimp little boys.
Cable Viewer
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php
David Letterman and Desperate Housewives have done more to discourage extremism in Saudi Arabia than hundreds of millions of dollars of US propaganda.
WikiLeaks cables: Jihad? Sorry, I don't want to miss Desperate Housewives | World news | guardian.co.uk
The Lockerbie Bomber being freed had more to do with Libyan threats than compassion.
WikiLeaks cables: Lockerbie bomber freed after Gaddafi's 'thuggish' threats | World news | The Guardian
Saudi Arabian sex parties.
WikiLeaks cables: Saudi princes throw parties boasting drink, drugs and sex | World news | The Guardian
The vice president of Bolivia is maintaining a mirror of all the leaks relating to Bolivia.
Wikileaks - Vicepresidencia del Estado Plurinacional de Bolivia
Mastercard Website DDoSed into oblivion by Anon. This also had the effect of taking down MasterCard's online payment verification because apparently they are run on the same server for some dumbass reason.
MasterCard site partially frozen by hackers in WikiLeaks 'revenge' | Media | guardian.co.uk
My favorite reaction to the whole situation by some guy on SomethingAwful:
Here's a fun one about a Texas private security company helping cops in Afghanistan to get high and pimp little boys.
Cable Viewer
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php
David Letterman and Desperate Housewives have done more to discourage extremism in Saudi Arabia than hundreds of millions of dollars of US propaganda.
WikiLeaks cables: Jihad? Sorry, I don't want to miss Desperate Housewives | World news | guardian.co.uk
The Lockerbie Bomber being freed had more to do with Libyan threats than compassion.
WikiLeaks cables: Lockerbie bomber freed after Gaddafi's 'thuggish' threats | World news | The Guardian
Saudi Arabian sex parties.
WikiLeaks cables: Saudi princes throw parties boasting drink, drugs and sex | World news | The Guardian
The vice president of Bolivia is maintaining a mirror of all the leaks relating to Bolivia.
Wikileaks - Vicepresidencia del Estado Plurinacional de Bolivia
Mastercard Website DDoSed into oblivion by Anon. This also had the effect of taking down MasterCard's online payment verification because apparently they are run on the same server for some dumbass reason.
MasterCard site partially frozen by hackers in WikiLeaks 'revenge' | Media | guardian.co.uk
My favorite reaction to the whole situation by some guy on SomethingAwful:
Which ones might those be, specifically?
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