[Question] What is Rape Culture?
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I'm not really sure what your point is anymore, because you you've brought that up several times. Many of have tried repeatedly to elevate the discussion beyond the fringe stuff and towards something more meaningful. What exactly are you continuing to see that continues to be a problem?
I simply felt like you misinterpreted or misrepresented my point, so I was clarifying. Thus the repetition.
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No, I get what you are saying, no one here would deny words matter and that the context of the discussion will be affected by even small changes in language. The issue I'm addressing is that no matter how hard we attempt to move the discussion away from the fringe, elements on both sides mainly want to talk about that. Which I think is fruitless. There's no rational discussion to be had if that's all people want to talk about. I can't convince anyone we landed on the moon if they are convinced we didn't and frankly I'm not even interested in trying.
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Stock portfolio stuff.
figmentPez
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"How to Stop Your Divorce."
But I'm not even married, and I don't even want to think what that has to do with this thread.
But I'm not even married, and I don't even want to think what that has to do with this thread.
I posted this a page ago.
Being in Taiwan, and a lover of food, I bet you could.
Bullshit!
/checks thread
Fuck! I blame Tapatalk on my tablet while I'm away from home, burying my grandfather and away from my lover's touch. I think that's enough excuses.
Would it be weird if I said I know more about rape than I know about rapeseed? I literally know nothing about rapeseed. The book I write about rapeseed would be two pages long: the cover, and one page with one sentence, "I know nothing about rapeseed."
The rape book would be slightly longer, maybe copy and paste a few posts from this thread, and then end with "Please don't do it."
figmentPez
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Now I'm getting ads for "Opioid Addiction Doctors"... What the hell?
Well, I didn't want to say anything, but I am concerned about the amount of time you've been spending down at the docks with all those opium dens.
You need help, Pez.
Necronic
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I'm a bit late to this party, but a quick note on reading this thread.
For people who don't understand what Male Privelege is re-read this thread and consider how its almost entirely written from a male voice. The fact that we don't really find that abnormal in a topic that should be driven by female voices, that right there, THAT'S Male Privelege.
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For people who don't understand what Male Privelege is re-read this thread and consider how its almost entirely written from a male voice. The fact that we don't really find that abnormal in a topic that should be driven by female voices, that right there, THAT'S Male Privelege.
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GasBandit
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Most of the participants, with a couple shining exceptions, have been male.
You're expecting, nay, requiring men to speak with female voices, else it is privilege?
I would be interested to know what the current percentage of active forumites is, gender-wise.
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Necronic
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Not at all. What I'm saying is that this venue, like so many others, is male dominated (there are more male forumites), and that's something we take for granted.
It's a hard concept, it's not about blame or how to "fix" it, it's really just about acknowledging that most venues for conversation are often male dominated, and often for no malicious reason but simply that there are more males involved. We often don't recognize that, we take it for granted. And taking it for granted: That's privelege.
figmentPez
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I'm used to discussons on rape that are dominated by female voices. That was the majority of the posters on the subject in a Christian forum I used to frequent, that's the majority of the voices that discuss it on Tumblr, and that's the majority of voices that bring it up on a college campus. There is absolutely no way that I take a male majority of voices on rape "for granted" because it is most definitely not the norm for me when hearing about or discussing the subject.
GasBandit
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I'm still not clear. What would the composition of this thread be, given that the overwhelming, vast majority of posters on this forum - and especially in this thread - are male, that would satisfy the criteria for "not privileged?"
I guess what I'm getting at, is it even possible by the PC definition to not be privileged in every way? And if it is beyond our power to not be privileged, why are we to be chastised for it? Does it preclude any discussion of the topic on this forum from being considered legitimate or worthwhile?
It is beyond your power not to be privileged. If you're part of the privileged class, you just are. You can't help being born a man. HOWEVER, the point that's being made is that you should at least be aware of it, and consider that the perspective may be skewed a bit because of it. No one's saying that the discussion should stop, just to be aware of the context.
Necronic
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Honestly? I don't think it IS possible to not be privileged, it just is what it is. But I also don't think it's something we should be chastised for, it's just something you aknowlege. I don't believe men can ever really have a female perspective, or whites have a black perspective, the reference frames are just too different to begin with, so you accept that there is privelege and move on.
Two examples of this. Have you ever been to a baby shower? I was invited to one and I was one of maybe 5 men there. It was a very weird experience. I felt out of place, the conversations were in realms I didn't really understand or were in a different frame than I was used to. The fact that it was such a unique experience to feel that out of place...that's privelege. I am privileged to feel at home most places I go.
Another example, my girlfriend wanted to go get something from the corner shop at night and I didn't feel like getting up and going with her (she was walking). Since I wasn't in her frame I didn't think about how she didn't feel safe going alone. Even when I figured that out, I still didn't really understand what that might feel like, I just understood that she felt that way.
That said, I don't think the concept of privelege should be used as a weapon. I don't like how people shove it in my face like a dirty diaper. It's just something that "is" and it needs to be acknowledged.
Also fwiw I think that South Park did a really great piece on this with the whole Wheel of Fortune episode. Tokens response at the end really nails home privelege, I can acknowledge its existence, but infant change my frame of reference,
GasBandit
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It still seems to me this is an easy go-to vehicle of dismissal. No matter how much I attempt impartiality, my arguments are subject to casual dismissal because I'm labeled as part of a "privileged" class. A fancy way of saying "You're a man, you'll never understand." It's very close to argumentum ad hominem, because it addresses the speaker and not the assertion itself.
In a large enough sample pool, I have no doubt this is probably the case (as I often say, most stereotypes are such for a reason), but it's a very individualized statement, and one that dismisses instead of engages and also insults the subject if they already aspire to objectivity without being reminded to do so. It turns empathizers (or potential ones at least) into belligerents, on the defensive. Which I don't think helps the end goal here.
I think the problem is that you have SOME people (you know who you are) who try to use it as a bludgeon, or some sort of I win button for an argument. That's not the case, it's a factor that needs to be acknowledged, yes, but it doesn't mean that it negates a good point.
GasBandit
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Yeah, I don't mean you two. I think you caught on about the SOME people bit.